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Cutting without the bag?

Posted by farmermiller01 none (My Page) on
Sun, May 29, 11 at 3:32

Hey,
I have always mowed my lawn and dumped the clippings around plants to be used as mulch. Recently I forgot to connect the bag and I didn't see a difference in lawn quality, and it was completed much quicker than normal. This got me thinking..

How does cutting your lawn without bagging the clippings benefit the lawn?
Can these clippings promote new lawn growth?
What height setting yields the healthiest grass?


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RE: Cutting without the bag?

Well, mulching is the best way to go if you're not going to bag, but as long as you're cutting regularly and the clippings are relatively small, I'd imagine leaving them from a side discharge would be OK too, but maybe not on a consistent basis. The clippings act the same way on your lawn that they do in your garden. They decompose and provide nutrients for your grass, supposedly supplying as much as 1/3 of the nutrients you're lawn needs every year, thereby cutting you're fertilizer bill by 1/3. The only time I bag is when the grass has gotten way too tall because of my not being able to mow it when it was needed. I have Fescue and don't have to worry about thatch buildup. If you've got a warm season grass you may want to keep an eye out for thatch buildup and be sure it doesn't get to be more than about a half thick. I've read from the experts that mulching warm season lawns is fine unless it Zoysia and then you have to watch for thatch buildup and I've heard all my life that mulching warm season grasses is bad bcause it'll cause thatch buildup, so I'd say wathch for thatch on any warm season grass just to be safe.


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RE: Cutting without the bag? Height

As to height, it depends on the grass. Cool season grasses generally thrive best at 2 to 4 inches depending on the variety. I keep my fescue at 3 inches. Shorter teneds to dry out too quickly and taller just looks, well, just too tall for my taste. Warm season grasses usually do best under 2 inches.


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Personally, I think that mulching is the way to go. Returning the cut grass back to the soil improves the nutrient content and moisture holding capacity of your soil. Plus it is faster and easier than bagging.


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Ah that's all great to hear. I'm probably going to keep mulching the grass and not bother bagging any of it. The fact that it retains the water and is food for future grass really makes this a double win.

Stupid question but how do I know what type of grass I have?
I suppose Fescue is just a fancy word for grass? haha


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This is probably more info than you really wanted ... but here's a good tool.

Here is a link that might be useful: Pudue Turfgrass ID


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Quote: Stupid question but how do I know what type of grass I have? I suppose Fescue is just a fancy word for grass? haha

If you live in the northern 2/3 of the country chances are high that you have a cool season grass like Fescue or Kentucky Blue Grass (you see it abbreviated as KBG a lot on forums). Cool season grasses for the most part stay green all year and don't grow well much below the upper 1/3 of Georgia, where summers get too hot and kill them off. I live in metro-Atlanta and growing Fescue is a constant struggle because of the heat and usual watering restrictions due to drought in summer, but its the price you have to pay if you don't like an ugly brown lawn for 5 months of the year and don't want to overseed Bermuda, etc. with Rye Grass during the winter. Warm season grasses like Bermuda, Zoysia, etc. go dormant and turn brown about the time of the first frost and generally don't grow well in cooler climates.


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RE: Cutting without the bag?

To know what grass you have you'd have to ask at a local nursery. You could post a picture here and we could guess at it. Be sure to place a dime or quarter in the photo as a reference.

Northern Grasses (cool season grasses)
Fescue use in lawns is a fine bladed bunch grass. It will tolerate more shade than other northern grasses and will remain green through most winters. It will not spread appreciably and usually does best when overseeded every fall. Mowing height is as high as you can get. Start there and adjust but don't go to the lowest setting.

Kentucky bluegrass is a fine bladed sod-forming grass. It will spread to fill in any bare spot. It goes dormant in the winter and turns brown. Mowing height is 3 inches. Adjust from there.

Ryegrass is used mostly in the Pacific Northwest. We don't see much concern about it here in the forums. It is either the perfect grass or it isn't used much.

Southern lawns (warm season)
Bermuda is probably the most popular grass around if, for no other reason, it is extremely hardy and very tenacious. If you had a different type of lawn and it got some bermuda in it, you likely will have a bermuda lawn in a year or two unless you know how to stop it. It is a fine bladed, sod-forming grass that works best mowed twice a week minimum. Mow it at 1 inch or less depending on the cultivar. In order to look best bermuda needs monthly fertilizer with a high N number. Bermuda will turn brown in the winter and will survive any drought.

St Augustine is my turf and my favorite southern grass. It is a coarse bladed, sod-forming grass. Mow at the mower's highest setting and water it weekly in the summer. If it is watered weekly all year, it can remain green and growing in the warmer parts of the south. Otherwise it goes dormant and turns brown. It cannot survive complete drought. Let it dry out and you are in trouble.

There are other types of grass, but these are by far the most popular.

Always mulch mow your grass. It has been said you can save 1/3 of your fertilizer by mulch mowing. Not sure I go along with that but what would be the reason to remove mowed grass?

When you ask questions about your specific lawn, it really helps to know what town you live in I (or near) and what kind of grass you have.


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RE: Cutting without the bag?

Hey guys,
Sorry it took me so long to respond but I checked and I have KBG seeds. It doesn't turn brown in the winter so maybe I have a mix? I'm up in New York. I've been so busy with vegetable gardening that the lawn has more or less taken care of itself with minimal watering and infrequent cutting. It's a nice lush green. I'll have to put up some pictures soon.


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Is it best for brown patch disease to bag the clippings? I've been a long time fan of mulching and do it whenever possible (most of the time) but I'm looking for any possible help with the brown patch and read somewhere that it's best to bag it.

Does it hurt to mulch a yard that has severe brown patch?

Thanks in advance.


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I believe if you have brown patch or other fungus you should bag until fungus is cured.


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I suppose in the make-believe world, we can always leave the clippings on our lawns to further feed it. Think of all the nitrogen that is wasted if we keep removing it...and not putting it to use ...say in our compost pile.

As for mulching using clippings...that's alright if the grass has not been given a fertilizer that might disrupt the growth pattern of the plant given it, or the grass has not been given a herbicide to kill unwanted weeds--which would surely not do the plant that is next to it any good, or the clippings leave the area looking like a barnyard, or when it rains, the clippings don't take on a matted look of waste and next to a plant trying to make it into the world dies from being smothered, or....??

Grass clippings are much better given to the compost pile where it is one of the best ways to heat it up.
It contains all that nitrogen...in itself, and in the fertilizer we give it.

Some types, notably kentucky bluegrass, given nitrogen, can cause thatch buildup and the more clippings that don't break down within a short time then adds to the thatch amount. But, given that result, it still best to feed the lawn and leave the clippings on the lawn.
The height of growth is different for different types of grass. Two and a half to three inches is fine for K.B....but you wouldn't do this for 'bent' grass...the type seen on golf greens.
All the types of cool season and warm season have their set of what height they should be given....and the times they are cut at.

One thing I do agree with, after a lot of disbelief...is to take the time in the spring to have your mower blade sharpened. It makes a difference one can see.....and appreciate.


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RE: Cutting without the bag?

I could sharpen the blade occasionally, probably mulches the grass better when not bagging it. Is there any truth to grass clippings growing and resulting in a fuller lawn?


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