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Using my urine to fertilize lawn?

Posted by gbig2 6-PA KBG (My Page) on
Thu, May 1, 08 at 8:28

I've done the math and it will cost me $500 a year to fertilize my acre lawn with SBM. I've read that human urine is about %5-%10 nitrogen, and we produce 1-2 liters per day. Can someone help with the math here... If I saved all my urine each day and daily sprayed it with a hose end sprayer to a section of lawn, would I produce enough urine to get the 4lbs per 1000 sq. ft it needs? Maybe divide the lawn in 5000 sq ft. sections and spray each section every 8 days? The ulimate foliar fertilizer?


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I'm just assuming your math is right I would spend the $$$ just so i wouldnt have to do that. Somehow the whole idea as green as it maybe just sounds nasty but thats just me.


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Great idea if you're willing to deal with all the variables. People use urine (pretty diluted) as an N shot for plants and straight as "Green" and moisture for their compost piles.

I would check, double check, and triple check, then check again the dilution rate if you're trying to acheive a particular controlled N delivery. Straight urine can burn, no doubt.

The biggest problem I see is the variable output content, you'd have to plan for the richest and hope for the best, or find some way to test N content and adjust accordingly. Secondly would be making sure you're not overwatering your lawn (following the deep and infrequent 1"/wk). Your plan sounds decent (every 8 days), but just be careful in what you actually practice in applying.

But hey, if you've got the ganas, more power to ya! Please report back how it goes. I'm sure plenty of people (myself included) can look past the ick factor if it delivers results.

-Jeremy


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So why not consider using Urea? It is about 1/4 the cost of SBM and the exact same thing as urine.


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If I saved all my urine each day and daily sprayed it with a hose end sprayer to a section of lawn, would I produce enough urine to get the 4lbs per 1000 sq. ft it needs?

Maybe, maybe not. But if you spread the word that you are doing it, it will sure keep the neighborhood kids off of your lawn.


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Good point Texas weed. Urea is urea whether from urine or a bag of urea. I estimate the cost to be $120 a year for enough bags of urea to fertilize an acre. Whether it's urea from urine or a bag, I'm not getting the benefits of a slow release, organic fertilizer like SBM am I? I'm not adding organic matter to the soil either. What I am getting is frequent quick release doses of nitrogen. The only benefit I see of urine over bags of urea is that the urine would have potassium and phosphorous and lots of other nutrients vs the urea which would only be nitrogen? Interesting though, how we (me included) flush pounds and pounds of nitrogen down the toliet each year and then go out and buy nitrogen made from fossil fuels because it's more convenient.


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well, the lawn over the leach field is always much greener...


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Holding my nose as I enter this thread and tiptoe back out again.

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If you just want free fertilizer, visit your local Starbucks or any coffee shop and ask them for their used coffee grounds. Starbucks has a policy of collecting UCG and giving them away. Apply at about 20 wet pounds per 1,000 square feet every other month or so. Free free free.

If you do this and you do not apply all the coffee grounds at once, you will notice a green hairy mold growing on it later on. Ignore it. Mix it in when you are ready to apply the next time.

You can apply coffee grounds any day of the year, any time of day, rain or shine, hot or cold, no matter what else you may have applied that day or week. The result you should see will take three full weeks from the time you apply. The result will be a very dark greening.


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The problem with using coffee grounds is that it's not all that practical for a lawn that size(an acre). He'd need almost 900 lbs per application to get 20 lbs per 1k sq ft. I fertilize almost exclusively with coffee grounds, but I only have 4k sq ft. I just fling the grounds on the lawn, stopping when I run out, then when I get more, start where I left off the time before.


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Good point Texas weed. Urea is urea whether from urine or a bag of urea. I estimate the cost to be $120 a year for enough bags of urea to fertilize an acre. Whether it's urea from urine or a bag, I'm not getting the benefits of a slow release, organic fertilizer like SBM am I?

Wrong, you use a slow release urea made in any ratio you want. As a landscape pro I would reccomend a Lesco 15-5-10 25% PPSCU 2FE product number 081964


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So the advantage of using an organic fertilizer like SBM vs urine or any form of urea is that the SBM is slow release and adds organic matter to the lawn? So a lawn fertilized with a foliar spray of urine on a weekly basis may not be as healthy as a true, slow released, organically fed SBM lawn because of the quick release nature of urine/urea?
For anyone interested I found an article online about this:

"Human urine makes an excellent high nitrogen liquid fertiliser for most plants. Dilute it 10 to 1 and pour it over and or round fast growing plants once a week; like vegetables, Green manure crops and sugar cane. Indeed just about anything that you want to push along rapid green growth

Studies indicate that each person’s waste fluids can provide enough nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium to grow a year’s supply of wheat and maize for that person. According to some studies, human waste can be an even more effective fertilizer than animal manure.

Urine, which comprises 90 percent of human waste, contains about 80 percent of our waste’s fertilizer value. It can be applied to field crops without treatment because it is generally sterile. By the way "fresh urine" does not contain any bacteria, unless the person has a urinary tract infection, so you could even use it to wash out wounds without causing any infections,

Human urine can be used as an alternative to chemical fertilizer to reduce pollution in air, water and soil and help avoid or control other environmental hazards which surface due to the use of chemical fertilizer, Human urine contains nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium at a much higher ratio than in commercial fertilizers and is environmentally safe to use.

If you want to use urine to fertilize your gardens, keep in mind that when urea becomes ammonia, it also becomes volatile and part of it strips into the air. Both ammonia and nitrates are also very soluble and if not picked up by plant's root systems can enter groundwater with the irrigation water. So it would be best to keep gardens moist but not over watered, but these are similar problems faced by people who use other forms of fertilizers.

One advantage in using urine, as a fertilizer is that much of the urine is available in ideal chemical forms: nitrogen is in the form of urea (ammonia/ammonium which is present at concentrations of approximately 3.5 g/l), phosphorus as superphosphate and potassium as an ion. Urine is almost free from heavy metals - for example, cadmium - because even if we ingest them, they will tend to bind to the liver and kidneys, making the urine much lower in such contaminants than commercial fertilizers.

Urea outside the body quickly becomes ammonia and will be oxidized by special bacteria (called nitrifiers) into nitrates. All these 'reactive' nitrogen sources can be used to form amino groups for new amino acids, thus then being made into proteins."


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It's the 'gracefully walking around, evenly distributed' part that causes me some concern for the, uh, plants.

We have not yet gotten to 'timing'. Timing, as we know, is everything, so we're not at that part yet.


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OK, I'm aware that this is an invalid reaction, but does the concept of using your own urine on the lawn squick anybody else out?

Oddly, I'll use Milorganite and don't blink when the dogs go out there. Very strange.


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  • Posted by whip1 z5 ne Ohio (My Page) on
    Fri, May 2, 08 at 7:58

Morpheuspa, I don't have a problem with it. We have a fire pit in the back yard, and it's easier to "recycle" our drinks on the lawn than it is to go inside. I see rabbits, squirrels, dogs, and deer in my yard. I'm sure they pee there also. It sounds like a lot of work to me, but if someone wants to collect thier urine, and apply it to thier lawn, more power to them.


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Morph,

As I noted previously, this could have benefits.

I suggest he put a big sign in his yard, "This lawn is fertilized with untreated human urine."

My guess is he'll never have any problems with people taking short cuts through his yard or even walking their dogs there.


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My guess is he'll never have any problems with people taking short cuts through his yard or even walking their dogs there.

Ha! True, although I personally wouldn't have a problem walking through a yard on which somebody else's urine had been used. As long as I were assured that they didn't have a bladder infection or urethral issues at the time of the...donation.

It's the idea of my own that squicks me out. Although, if it were sterilized, the idea no longer bothers me...even though I know it's already sterile and I'm infection free.

There's a very interesting and peculiar blind spot I should think about...if thinking about it didn't also squick me a bit.


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Heh. I pee on my backyard and so does my dog on the same spot but I never see urine burn at all. It may explain why the area where I frequently pee on are dark green...


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I am usually not the judgemental type but, I didn't see any smiley faces following the original post, so I can only say you have got to be kidding me!

Trying to coordinate the collection, possible dilution, application and timing for over an acre of lawn is a tall useless feet.

If the money required to fertilize your yard is an issue and I understand that it can be, then you could probably find some part time employment and invest less time then this would require and meet your needs even if you want to go organic.


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Trying to coordinate the collection, possible dilution, application and timing for over an acre of lawn is a tall useless feet.

Well, that is the beauty of the plan. He can go door-to-door in the neighborhood taking collections!


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Karensson, that's a fair point you make. It's probably another one of my hair brained schemes that I come up with, and follow through for a week, and get tired of it and quit. Then laugh at myself for ever thinking it was a good idea and would actually work. :)

If you think about it though, to Morpheuspa's point, we spread Miloganite on our lawns, which is worse on the yuck factor, because that's someone else's poo. :) At least this would be my own urine. Diluted with a hose end sprayer, it really shouldn't create a stink.
I'm going to try it out for a couple days on a section of lawn and see how the urine fed lawn looks vs the urineless lawn. I have a thermos under my desk at work today, which I'm using to collect the "liquid gold" for dispensing when I get home tonight. I'm estimating it wouldn't take long to spray the liquid gold each day using a hose end sprayer set wide open. A couple minutes a day?
Of course you can take this whole being "green" thing too far. But imagine a zero input lawn, no chemicals, totally fertilized by urine and mulch mowing with a push reel mower.

It's the biology of this that really interests me. How much nitrogen do we flush away? Would the lawn be as healthy as an SBM lawn? What about the salt in urine? If one was willing to invest the time each day, could urine be a substantial part of a healthy lawn fertilization program? Just thinking outside the box....


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If you think about it though, to Morpheuspa's point, we spread Miloganite on our lawns, which is worse on the yuck factor, because that's someone else's poo. :)

Are you cooking your pee to 800+ degrees. Didn't think so. IMO this is a complete waste of time as there is no way you can drink enough beer to fertilize 1-acre, it is like peeing on a house fire.


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Like a dog returning to its own sick, I do keep coming back to this post.

Let's see, one acre is roughly 43,500 square feet, or 43.5 thousand square feet, requiring 174 lbs of N through the season (4 lbs/K/season).

Calculating urine at 10% N (it does vary, that's the high number), that's 1740 lbs.

Urine's specific gravity is 1.0 to 1.05, which is close enough to water not to matter, since the N percentage can vary.

Assuming you NEVER collect it when you've eaten asparagus...

One gallon weighs about 8.33 lbs, assuming around 20 Celsius. It ain't coming out of you at that temperature (closer to 37), but that's near enough since we don't know the precise value of N.

1740 lbs of urine equals 209 gallons. Recommended dilutions are 10:1 to 20:1, so that's a lot of water, too.

209 gallons is 27.8 cubic feet (using a standard of 62.4 pounds per cubic foot). That's a cube more than a yard on a side.

That's a lot of pee. The numbers don't bear that out as realistic. Add in the salt content (in addition to the urea itself, a salt), the wildly-variable pH (4.5 to 8), and the wildly variable N content (5% to 10%) and I don't think I'd bother with it.

Instead, I'd buy nice, cheap IBDU if I wanted to go that path, realizing that neither are going to do diddly for my soil.


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I have a thermos under my desk at work today, which I'm using to collect the "liquid gold" for dispensing when I get home tonight. I'm estimating it wouldn't take long to spray the liquid gold each day using a hose end sprayer set wide open. A couple minutes a day?

I just saw this. Dude, you're sitting at work peeing in a thermos? I'm glad I don't have the next desk over. ;-)

On the other hand, given the expense of organic feeding this year, and given that there are people out there with some v-e-r-y different turn-ons, you might be able to take a video of that and sell it, using the cash to purchase SBM.

Now that's organic.


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Reminds me of the Movie DUMB & DUMBER.


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Just as a practical matter....

1 liter = 1 kilogram = 2.2 lbs. Assuming 8% Nitrogen concentration, that is 0.177 lbs produced per day. Over a 150 day growing season, that is about 27 lbs. For an acre of lawn, you would want between 120 and 160 lbs for the year. That means you would need 5 very committed friends to make your plan work. Of course, you wouldn't want to spray liquid fertilizer on a lawn in the middle of summer, so you probably would need 5 friends in spring, 0 in summer and 10 in fall.

Don't use up all your friends in this plan though, because you'll probably need someone to move in with when your wife tosses you out after hearing this plan.


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Don't use up all your friends in this plan though, because you'll probably need someone to move in with when your wife tosses you out after hearing this plan.

In my admittedly limited experience, if they'll give you their pee they'll probably let you crash on their couch.


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In my admittedly limited experience, if they'll give you their pee they'll probably let you crash on their couch.
In exchange for drugs to get high on, food, and beer in which they cannot afford...


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FWIW, I've been peeing on my lawn and in my garden beds for years (so have the dogs!). Not, I may add, in an effort to save on fertilizing costs, but because I CAN PEE OUTSIDE; a fringe benefit from living in the country with no visible neighbors. My wife and 3 children also never had much of a problem dropping their trousers in the flower beds, either! Each one of us has been known to walk down the hall past 2 perfectly functional bathrooms to go outside on a warm spring day for a pee.

Interestingly, soil bacteria apparently rapidly process this stuff, as I've never detected any odor. No problem with burning the plants that I've seen.

Urine is a perfectly viable fertilizer, IMHO. Just don't let it sit in a container too long, though, as bacteria will begin working on it and making it smell real bad. I've had personal experience with that during a "trip" to Afghanistan in '02. Our tent was about 100 meters from the nearest latrine; during severe storms, or freezing weather, in the middle of the night, it was often easier to relieve one's self into a water bottle and dispose of it the next day! A few idiots let the stuff sit around for a little long, and it got quite ripe!

Thanks for the fun post.

Cheers


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"I have a thermos under my desk at work today, which I'm using to collect the "liquid gold" for dispensing when I get home tonight."

LMFAO, good stuff


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" I CAN PEE OUTSIDE"

redneck grower lives in paradise.


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Now, if there were only a way to keep poop from smelling . . .

:-o


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I like how you think redneck grower! :)
I've been reading about composting poop and it seems all you need is a bucket to poop in, and shredded paper to cover it so it doesn't stink. A year later and you have a rich, earthy smelling compost ready for the lawn. Talk about adding organic matter to the lawn!
How long can I keep the fact, that I'm pooping in a bucket of shredded paper in the basement, from my wife? :)


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lets see....using urine to fertilize the lawn and flower beds.....composting human fecal matter with shredded newspaper to make compost.

YUCK!!!!!!!!!

Just because you Can do these things SHOULD you? If someone is that concerned with nature, organics, green living etc. they might as well let the grass grow thin or thick no soy bean meal etc as nature intended alond with all of the weeds, insects, encroaching forest as nature aslo intended.

and me I'll just use synthetic fertilizers or nothing at all and use the restroom like the rest of modern civilization.


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and me I'll just use synthetic fertilizers or nothing at all and use the restroom like the rest of modern civilization.

Except on long trips, of course, when even I have been known to Fertilize Nature.

Wow, this post is fun!


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I always thought I was told to go "in the bushes" for the privacy. I never realized that it was a "targeted" application of fertilizer!

Apparently it's BETTER than synthetic on cabbage crops, producing more robust growth although the nutritional value is the same. Here's the news story from researchers in Finland...

and the abstract of the research paper...

Use of Human Urine Fertilizer in Cultivation of Cabbage (Brassica oleracea)
Impacts on Chemical, Microbial, and Flavor Quality
Surendra K. Pradhan,* Anne-Marja Nerg, Annalena Sjblom, Jarmo K. Holopainen, and Helvi Heinonen-Tanski
Department of Environmental Science, University of Kuopio, P.O. Box 1627, FIN-70211 Kuopio, Finland, Vstanfjrd Municipality, Lammalavgen 105, FIN-25830 Vstanfjrd, Finland
Received June 18, 2007
Abstract:
Human urine was used as a fertilizer in cabbage cultivation and compared with industrial fertilizer and nonfertilizer treatments. Urine achieved equal fertilizer value to industrial fertilizer when both were used at a dose of 180 kg N/ha. Growth, biomass, and levels of chloride were slightly higher in urine-fertilized cabbage than with industrial-fertilized cabbage but clearly differed from nonfertilized. Insect damage was lower in urine-fertilized than in industrial-fertilized plots but more extensive than in nonfertilized plots. Microbiological quality of urine-fertilized cabbage and sauerkraut made from the cabbage was similar to that in the other fertilized cabbages. Furthermore, the level of glucosinolates and the taste of sauerkrauts were similar in cabbages from all three fertilization treatments. Our results show that human urine could be used as a fertilizer for cabbage and does not pose any significant hygienic threats or leave any distinctive flavor in food products.

Here is a link that might be useful: Human Urine As A Safe, Inexpensive Fertilizer For Food Crops


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Human Urine Safe As Fertilizer

Another interesting read, this one in Africa. Talk about two birds with one stone...

It's user friendly, repels pests such as aphids, not as labor intensive as making compost...

"Patrick Makhosi, also a soil scientist with Kawanda Agricultural Research Organisation confirms the efficacy of human urine as a fertiliser. He says that applying urine once every week for at least two months will more than double the yield of vegetables."

They even give instructions for safe use...

Here is a link that might be useful: Uganda: Human Urine Safe As Fertilizer


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"and me I'll just use synthetic fertilizers or nothing at all and use the restroom like the rest of modern civilization"

Apparently you've never been to where "the rest of modern civilization" actually lives. All over the world, lot's of open sewers, elimination outdoors, no plumbing, and yes, using human waste on food crops. I've seen all that in Guyana, Afghanistan, parts of Africa, Pakistan, Nicaragua, and other places I've visited. I wonder where rural Indians, Indonesians, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc. poop and pee? Bet a lot of them don't have a 'restroom' like you and I would describe it.

I think composting human feces and using urine on the lawn is a great use of resources.


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I have been all over Mexico, the Caribean, several places in Asia and Europe and in all of those places taking in both urban and rural locales and believe you me in the cities they don't walk out the door to take a dump or urinate on the lawn on the lawn and in the rural and depressed areas they didn't have "lawn" in the general sense that we are speaking of so by all means do as you please in your lawn, just glad you don't live near me!


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PA not GHana

In addition, there is a big difference between a person trying to eek out a living in some third world country by utilizing all that is available to him to farm a small plot of land and some guy in PA urinating in a thermos in his office to spray on his lawn and taking a dump in a bucket to make compost to save a few bucks for a lawn which is for you true naturalists a waste of resources anyway.


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Waste not, want not.


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No, but you can use someone elses...

Have a keg party and lock all the doors...I think it will keep the coyotes away as well....


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dbig.....my gosh, don't leave us hanging....sooo, did the urine experiment work out? How did you do it? Just put it undiluted in a hose-end sprayer? Details man, details. (g) thanks


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...and if you think that the concept is icky, do not investigate "auto urine therapy".


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I'm wondering if the poster sits down to meals such as what she wishes to give to her lawn.

Potatoes.....nothing but potatoes. For breakfast, potato pancakes...no syrup allowed.
For lunch, potato fries.....no salt....no vinegar, no ketchup.
For supper mashed potatoes...sans the butter and the milk.

That's exactly what you are expecting your lawn to live on....straight nitrogen.
What about its soil needs....the phosphurus to expand its roots; the potash to strengthen the roots to stand up to adversity....and yes, the nitrogen for green strong growth.

I assume you will be applying it in its natural form..a liquid. Liquids have a habit of running where it wants to go....not where you think it should go.
On heated ground, it will evaporate much before gaining entry. Where it congregates in puddles, it percolates..in time, down to where the tender roots are....and if the nitrogen is anything like what a dog can do....
voila, you have killed what was once a great looking lawn.

If you cant afford giving your lawn what it needs, then maybe you should consider stopping smoking, eating less desserts, not drinking alcohol, .....heck....you could feed your lawn all the fertilizer it needs and not tell anyone....you could stop paying for the internet.

Also, rip up the lawn....put down clover....there you go, it takes nitrogen right out of the air. Its green, doesn't need feeding, looks good....and,if you have to go, then it stands up to urine.

I think I've solved your problem......and the neighborhood's wondering where all that smell is coming from.


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I was wondering what the little lawn sign would look like? "Lawn treated by pee, stay off if you want".


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I was surprised to read through this whole thread and discover that no one has posted a link to the humanure handbook. gbig2 mentioned it, but he didn't give the name.

So I will oblige... mainly for redneck grower, because he asked...

Most synthetic fertilizers are petroleum based, and most of our organic fertilizers require petroleum to plant, harvest and ship them to the final destination. Its a matter of a national security to reduce our use of petroleum products.

Hence, one of the most patriotic things you can do is to reuse your own waste...

Here is a link that might be useful: The Humanure Handbook


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I think the 'question' I asked that joepyeweed referenced was: "Now, if there were only a way to keep poop from smelling . . . "

Thanks for the link to The Humanure Handbook! It's great! If you haven't visited the link yet, perhaps the following chapter titles from the monograph will arouse your interest:

Crap Happens
Waste Not Want Not (I used the same quotation in another post to this thread)
Gomer The Pile
When the Crap Hit the Fan
Global Sewers And Pet Turds
Fecophobia and the Pathogen Issue
Fecofrigginfobia
Environmental Potty Training 101

Cheers!


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Reader reviews . . .

. . . just a few excerpts of the rave reviews of The Humanure Handbook

"From the squatting position, I request a copy of the Humanure Handbook."

"Thank you for your wonderful book about an environmental threat most people are unwilling to discuss, yet contribute to daily."

"I have taken three dumps since finishing the Humanure Handbook, and all of them have been in plastic buckets and have been covered with sawdust."

"I am stupefied after reading your turdly book! What a masterpiece of modern literature."

"Your book was extremely well-written and answered all the questions I had been having for several years. I knew that somehow there was some missing info about what to do with all the do-do'."

"The book is extremely moving, in all sorts of ways."


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More resources . . .

. . . I just can't seem to give up on this thread! Guess I'll just "grow with the flow."

Here's another book:

Liquid Gold: The Lore and Logic of Using Urine to Grow Plants


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Too much time on my hands?

More excrement anecdotes (ask me to leave if you get too much of this):

To my neighbor who I saw pooping in his yard yesterday - w4m


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Here's the first thing I pulled up on Auto Urine Therapy:

"Drink water from your own cistern, flowing water from your own well." -The Book of Proverbs 5:15


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I thought this post was dead and buried. :)
Well, I collected the liquid gold in my Thermos for a couple days and sprayed it on the lawn. But as expected I got tired of that and decided it's best to add it to my compost pile and use the compost in my garden.
BTW, urine is more than just nitrogen. It actually contains phosphorus, potassium and vitamins.

Here's a news article about how the Swedes are getting phosphorus from their urine:
"And it looks like we might have a looming shortage of the former, which could be solved by recycling the latter. Cynthia Mitchell, an Associate Professor from the Institute for Sustainable Futures at the University of Technology in Sydney (UTS), figures we are quite literally flushing a fortune down the toilet, while global ground reserves of phosphorus are unlikely to last more than 50-100 years. And human urine, of which we pass some 500 litres per year, is rich in phosphorus, a key ingredient in agricultural fertilizers. "Urine will soon be too precious to flush down the loo," Professor Mitchell said. "Already in parts of Europe urine separating toilets are being introduced." Apparently all new homes in the local council of Tanum, in south-west Sweden, are required to have urine-separation toilets. That is the pee goes down one tube, and poo another. She goes onto say, "Sweden has set a national target that 60% of phosphorus in organic waste, including sewage, must be recycled. At least 30% of that goes to fertilise agricultural land." The Prof is calling on drought plagued Australia to realise "a revolution in sanitation, as dramatic and far-reaching as the construction of Londons sewers during the Industrial Revolution." But first she believes the country needs to escape the poo taboo of outta sight, outta mind. Via ::UTS and ::ABC"

"PS. Source separation for pee and poo has long been a design factor in some brands of compost toilet, because it speeds up the rate of dry composting of human waste, giving the toilets greater capacity. "


Here's a link to the story about how we may run out of phosphorus in the next 50 years.

Here is a link that might be useful: peak phosphorus


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I remember way back(in the middle ages) We use to sprinkle lime in outhouses to prevent the smell of said outhouse. Is lime good for fertilizer? Maybe we should bring back ye olde outhouse.A 2 seater or even a double decker.
oakleif


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This whole thread reads like something out of Monty Python...


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I'm no rocket scientist, but IMO I know that to much fertilize is not good !!! cause when I let the girls out,(get your mind out of the gutter LOL) Peanut & Burbon, (the house ladies)--(dogs) it works very well for weed/grass killer hahaha ")


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If anyone actually brings back the double decker outhouse, please count me out for participating on the ground floor.

(!)

;-)

Paul


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Once I killed a bonsai after pouring straight urine on it. Urine as fertilizer is messy and odorous, it could bring bacteria if you don't take good care of what you doing. Why to use urine when you can use urea??


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The thread that never dies...


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OK, so I can't use my pee instead of all other fertilizers. But every whiz in the garden saves 1.5 gallons of water flushed down the toilet. Besides, in Texas, the garden and lawn ALWAYS need more moisture, and the other stuff is good for the plants and soil. But it has been recommended that the urine be diluted before "application," and I'm wondering why. Too acid? Too basic? Too salty? What specifically might be the problem with undiluted pee on the grass, or the roots of the rose bush?


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Too much available nitrogen in one place for the soil microbes to handle all at once. If you have a very healthy soil, it can probably handle peeing in one spot. Female dogs, for example, usually empty their entire bladder in one spot. If the soil is dry and hard, the urine is not soaked up all in one spot so that tends to spread it out and not cause the problem. If the soil is soft and absorbent, it might all soak in to one small spot and you'll see yellowing of the grass or plants. I have been successful treating my dog spots with a handful of sugar scattered on the spot. The sugar stimulates the soil microbes to reproduce to populations that can handle the urine much more quickly. The result was a very dark green spot of very fast growing grass.


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I read this entire thread at 2 am and I could not stop cracking up for at least half an hour.

Long live pee


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" * Posted by takadi 7 (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 19, 09 at 2:13

I read this entire thread at 2 am and I could not stop cracking up for at least half an hour.

Long live pee"

You read it at 2:00, laughed for at least half an hour, then posted about it at 2:13.

Let's do the time warp again.


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Gbig2 try opening your drain plug to your house sewer line and you can have a premix dumped on your lawn every time you flush. Some people put up signs showing a dog taking a poop on a lawn with a red line through it which means please don't let your dog poop here. Perhaps you could make a sign that encourages pets and even people to pee on your lawn. That seems like it might be more effective than peeing in a thermos at work - but heck - why not? Do both.


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I AM GOING TO FERTILIZE MY LAWN, GARDEN, PLANTS, TREES NATURALLY WITH GOLDEN LIQUID. I HAVE THE PERFECT APPLICATOR HOSE!


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I'M GOING TO WATER ALL MY INDOOR PLANTS NATURALLY - JUST UNZIP & LET MY GOLDEN SHOWER HEAD DO THE WORK! SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FUN!


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IF A LITTLE GARDEN BUG GETS IN THE WAY OF MY GOLDEN STREAM HE WILL GET THE BATH OF HIS LIFE!


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ONCE I WAS GOLDEN SHOWER WATERING THE GARDEN I PISSED ON A FAT TOAD. HE DIDN'T SEEM TO MIND!!


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I WILL HAVE TO WATCH THE BUMBLE BEES WHEN I WATER NATURALLY. ONCE I GOT STUNG RIGHT ON THE HEAD AS I STRADDLED A DAY LILLY!! SURE WAS EMBARRASSING AS I EXPLAINED TO THE NURSE HOW IT HAPPENED AS SHE HELD MY SWOLLEN MEMBER BETWEEN HER FINGERS AS SHE GENTLY REMOVED THE STINGER!! SHE WOULD NOT KISS IT TO MAKE IT BETTER THOUGH!! EVERYONE TAKE CARE & ZIP UP WHEN FINISHED!


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I LOVE TO PEE ON THE TULIPS! GETS US BOTH GROWING!! THE NEIGHBOR LADY ALWAYS YELLS OVER "HOWS EVERYTHING GROWING EARL..DO YOU WANT TO DO MINE!!" BOY IS SHE PRETTY!! MAKES IT HARD TO ZIP UP THOUGH OR EVEN WANT TO ZIP UP!


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IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WATER YOUR GARDEN 100% NATURALLY YOU MAY MIX UP A GOLDEN COCKtail mixing your GOLDEN JUICE COCKtail by Peeing in a jug with or without a little water & apply to garden! You can just hear your little plants screaming over here..over here..squirt me..squirt me!!


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Good troll by original poster. It is funny how this topic is reacted to in different forums. Bottom line is that diluted urine works well as a fertilizer. I have used it on several plants with universally good results in promoting green growth. Here is a summary of the benefits of this practice.

1. Free
2. Prevents eutrophication
3. Makes the right people go "eww"

Using your urine as a fertilizer on your plants isn't going to clean up the gulf oil spill or reverse global warming but it is a positive and progressive practice.


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I collect my shower water each morning to water my fruit trees. I will now pee in that 5 gallon bucket! Thanks for the tip.


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I have been doing this for years. I'm a mobile technician and when I have to go, I go in a 1 gallon jug. I either dilute it and water my garden or dump it into my sprayer and spry my front lawn. I have 5.5 acres. I also occasionally dump it on my compost pile. I have read the Humanure Handbook and love it. Waste not want not. Our country is plagued by sewage problems. I have chosen to turn a problem into a treasure. I also have a bucket to do #2 in and put on my compost.

I think it's funny that you snooty stuck up a-holes turn you nose up to this idea, but you will stick you bare hand in a bag of cow crap to put on your flowers. To me there is no difference!


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I have been looking into composting toilets because my water bill has gotten so high. This all makes good sense to me.


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Haven't been on garden web in a long time, it makes me grin to see this thread is still alive. ;-)


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This is SO a guy thread.


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guy thread? really? hmmmm.....


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Yes, a guy thread. I don't know of any females who would keep a thermos under their desk to pee in. And it's difficult for females to casually step behind a tree and let it rip, so to speak.

Though I am reminded of a thread on the Soils forum years ago about females who used the blood of their "monthlies" diluted with water to fertilize their houseplants.

It was brought home to me that all guys will be guys when we recently moved next door to a CPA whom I have known for over 40 years. A typical CPA, he is solemn and proper. So I really wanted to LMAO the day his wife told me he pees outside! Also, she told me his favorite spot, which, if I am vigilant, I can observe while seated at my dining room table. :(


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I think it's funny that people get upset over people peeing outside. Some people are so domesticated. For example, Most people eat meat, but if they had to kill it and butcher it starting tomorrow most would get grossed out and wouldn't eat it. I live out in the woods where you cant see any neighbors. When I get up in the morning the first thing I do is go out and pee outside. I only go inside if the weather is bad or I'm really sick. Right after pulling the guts out of my deer I cut the tenderloins out. What I'm thinking is boy these are going to be good fried in butter and garlic tonight!
Don't forget people only started peeing in the house in the last couple hundred years!


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I am so sick of people reviving this thread.

This post was edited by yardtractor1 on Sat, Jun 21, 14 at 1:01


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