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What's wrong with my lawn?

Posted by shameed z9 Houston TX (My Page) on
Tue, May 31, 11 at 17:09

This season my grass is just not growing. I have already put Scott's Southern Turf Builder but no avail. I don't think I have weeds problem, but on one small area I put Scott's Weed and Feed and nothing is happenning there as well. And I don't think I have insect problem but I still went ahead and put pesticide on one side. Thats not working out either. I have a sprinkler system and I have it programmed for 3 times a week 10 min per zone.

Here are some pictures of the lawn.

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RE: What's wrong with my lawn?

Actually 15 min per zone.


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RE: What's wrong with my lawn?

Perhaps the picture is deceiving but I think I see a distinct line between your lawn and the neighbor's lawn. There is no insect or lawn disease that knows anything about property lines. Unless, of course, the neighbor treated some kind of problem and made sure he only treated his property.

I'd talk to my neighbor and compare our lawn care strategies.

Of course, if I'm imagining what I'm seeing, forget that I said anything. :)


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RE: What's wrong with my lawn?

Hey david_tx,

Thanks for the response. No you are right, there is a distinct line between my lawn and my neighbor's. I haven't talked to them lately, but I will ask them. In the past we have been doing that same things, and have been getting good lawns every season. I don't know what's wrong this time around.


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RE: What's wrong with my lawn?

you are watering it all wrong. First, get tuna cans out and place them on the lawn to find out how long it takes to fill up one inch of tuna can and do that ONCE a week when NEEDED like during dry spell. Because of severe drought, your ground is very dry and watering 15 minutes 3 times a week isn't gonna cut it. You need DEEP watering only when needed.


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volcano mulching

Please educate yourself over volcano mulching. It is NOT recommended. Mulch should not touch trunk. It should be more like donut shape about 3-4 inches deep with nothing touching the trunk.


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RE: What's wrong with my lawn?

Lou,
In defense of the OP, my son lives in Katy near Houston. Every time I visit, I am stunned that EVERY tree has that volcanic mulching. Like you, I was taught not to do that. Every tree in the median, every tree in every yard... volcanic mulching. It must be a local thing.


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I would aerate it and top dress with compost.


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Here are your pictures...

Yes you should change your watering to what Lou mentioned.

And yes you can lose your tree to rot at the base if you don't pull the mulch away from the bottom. You should be able to see where the roots flare out away from the trunk. If you want to mulch it, make it look like the crater of the volcano with the tree in the middle and the root flare exposed. That works great.

So what you have is bermuda that has not fully awakened. Search the Internet for the Bermuda Bible and read it. Memorize it. You'll have the best looking lawn on the block.


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RE: What's wrong with my lawn?

Thank you guys for the responses. I will try to measure the watering time for 1 inch and try to do that once a week to see how it goes.

Regarding the volcanic mulch, that's something new that I never heard of. Everyone here has that kind of mulching. In any case, for now thats least of my concerns. I will concentrate on fixing the lawn for now.

dchall: Thanks for the pictures. By the way, it is St. Augustine grass. However I used winter grass for the winter. Is there any book for St Augustine as well?


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Your winter grass might have shaded the St Augustine and delayed the spring green up.


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So I measured the amount of water and in 15 min it barely gets quarter of an inch. In 30 min it got to half an inch. Does it mean I have to run the sprinkler for an hour per zone. That's a lot.

For now I have changed the settings for the front side zone to 30 min and have changed the schedule for 2 times a week. I will change it to once a week a little later. Is that a good approach, or just go ahead and change it to one hour and once a week? I am thinking that if the soil is already very dry I should gradually go from three times to two times and then finally to once a week.


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I water for anywhere from 3 to 7 hours per zone depending on how far gone my soil is. If my lawn was in Houston where the humidity never gets bone dry, I would water about 3 hours per week. How long it takes to get an inch of water all depends on your sprinkler system. Mine puts out 1/8 inch per hour. Not much at all.

One thing you have to watch for is runoff. If the water starts to run off, then you are wasting it. Stop immediately and let the soil soak up what it has for 15 to 30 minutes. Then resume watering until you get to the 1 hour mark.

Also consider the 1 hour mark to be a starting point. Watch your lawn and determine whether you need to water longer or less.

If you overseeded with something for the winter, that explains everything. 15 square foot penalty for withholding information ;-) David_tx had it right. If it were my lawn I would hit it heavily with alfalfa pellets (monthly) to bring it back. If you absolutely refuse to use organic fertilizer, then there is not much you can do to really hit it hard. The summer heat will work against you for fertilizing with chemicals. If you have not fertilized this year, do it NOW and again on Labor Day and Thanksgiving. Next season, instead of overseeding, simply continue to water it weekly and it might remain green all winter. I tried that in 2008 or 09 and it worked fine. It was only an experiment I tried because my neighbors had green lawns all year. It worked. And when you continue organic fertilizer all year, you will have to mow it all year. Pretty cool.

It also looks like you have some bermuda mixed in.


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I'll second dchall's advice on the organic fertilizers. After reading so many of his posts 6 or 7 years ago, I converted to an organic program and it's the best thing I have ever done for my lawn. I have a nitrogen hungry Tif419 lawn so I use a lot of CGM, soybean meal, and cotton seed meal. They're higher in protein than alfalfa.

I got lazy last year and used chemical fertilizers for the first time in years. I also had problems I hadn't seen in years. I'm back to organics this year. I highly recommend it.


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Yup. One hour per zone as long as there's no runoff otherwise cycle it for 30 minutes each. Do it at night.

One inch of water is 600 gallons per 1000 sqft needed to throughly saturate 6-8 inches of clay soil. Moisture will stay there deeper for longer time because it is cooler there. The top will dry out fast. That's why shallow watering doesn't work and is a waste of water.


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I had some grub damage last year that looks something like that, but it's weird that there is a definitive line between your yard and your neighbor's. May be the difference is due to the type of grass as everyone suggested?

As for watering, it's supposed to be one inch of water per week, so watering one hour a week sound about right. If you feel want to conserve water, you can probably track the amount of rain fall in your area and adjust your sprinkler accordingly. If it rains 1 inch for example, you can turn off your sprinkler for that week.

Paul


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Thank you guys for your help. So I am supposed to buy Alfalfa or soybean meal or cottonseed meal or CGM, and then just spread it just like that. Is it granular enough to be spread using the Scott spreader or I will have to do it with hands. Any guide on the rate (how much per 100 sq ft etc) and when to do it (after watering, before watering, water is needed or it does not matter).

I have found a neighborhood store that carries this kind of stuff.

Thanks for all your help.

Aah! One more thing. HOw long do you think it would take for the grass to bounce back (turn green again) if everything is done properly? Any idea?


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shameed, go to the Organic Gardening Forum and find the FAQs. At the bottom of the list is the Organic Lawn Care FAQ. Read that and it will answer your questions. In the FAQ I emphasized the use of corn meal. That was back when corn meal was $3/bag. It is a lot more expensive now. With the new prices in mind my first choice is alfalfa based on availability. If soy or cottonseed meal was available at good prices (prices vary widely due to location/shipping), I would use those.

It will take 3 full weeks to see the effects of organic fertilizer. The reason is the fertilizer is food for the soil microbes. The soil microbes process the fertilizer and the result is plant food. That biological process takes three weeks to complete.


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Thanks David. After reading the FAQ I decided to get either corn meal or alfalfa, and some compost. I just got 50 lb bag of dehydrated alfalfa pallets for $11 from a local feed store. They also had compost in 3 cu ft bags but when I asked them if it is fresh, they said it should be. And from the FAQ it seems I shouldn't be using the fresh compost. How strict that rule is? Where can I get a properly decomposed compost? I am thinking nurseries maybe?

So what if I start with alfalfa? I can put that in and if it works that's great. If it doesn't then I can arrange for compost. Would it be ok to put compost on top of alfalfa? I am thinking it should be ok. I plan on putting compost anyway, but if alfalfa alone works, I don't have to rush on it. Please advice.


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I went to local nursery and they have Organic Peat Humus, a 40 lb bag for $3. Do you think that will work? Is it the same as compost or a kind of compost?


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RE: What's wrong with my lawn?

Shameed, you want finished compost. If it has cooled off enough to bag, it's cool enough to use on the lawn. Ideally, you want the compost to contain little or no identifiable plant material. I've found bagged compost to be hit or miss. Some of it has more uncomposted material than others.

Peat Humus is not compost. Don't try to get too scientific with this. Dump a few bags around the lawn and rake it in with the back side of a bow rake. Throw the alfalfa pellets around in a random fashion. One of the beauties of organic fertilization is that you don't have to be precise. Throw the stuff around, get a healthy microherd going, and the microbes will take care of the rest.


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Sorry I am confused. Should I use a compost bag or the Peat Humus? Also one thing I forgot to mention that the local feed store only had manure compost, and they were giving me a choice of chicken, cow, (and probably horse, don't remember) etc. Is that the one I need? If so, which one would be better, chicken or cow (or horse)?


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I tend to use bush compost which consists of leafs and sticks instead of manure. Check out some gardening store which sells this stuff by bulk. For example, my local garden center sells a bushel (1.24 cubic foot) of compost for $3. A 1 cubic foot of mushroom compost is about $5.30. You just need a pickup truck or just some buckets. If your yard is pretty big, you can have the stuff delivered. How big is your yard square feet-wise?

You have to be more careful with manure compost. Who knows how well it's processed. If the stuff smells like earth, it's probably OK. If it spells like crap, well it's not finish and will probably burn your lawn. Animal manure may also contain solutable salt which might build up in your lawn.

Paul


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RE: What's wrong with my lawn?

Over the late fall/early winter, drive around and look for bagged leaves. Dump them all over the grass, spreading them thinly and mulch mow. Repeat that a few times and little pieces of leaves will eventually end up as compost greatly improving soil by summer. It's free!

Other than that, unless you have a pick up truck, you'd have to pay someone to dump a few cubic yards of fine compost on your driveway. That usually costs 30-50 dollars per cubic yard plus delivery fee. Houston is a huge city so not sure where exactly you live. Try Living Earth Technology or look around in your area for bulk compost that is well compost and fine enough to fall in between grass blades. It's a cubic yard per 1000 sqft.


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