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| Hello,
I am in need of some advice from the World Wide GardenWeb... Here is our story... Last October, our landscaper and his crew graded, brought in top soil, and hydro-seeded approx. 10,000 sq. feet of brand new lawn with a perennial, rye, and fine fescue mix. We also hydro-seeded other areas adjacent to the lawn, but did not bring in any topsoil for these areas, just used the existing soil. Now, in May, everything is growing in beautifully - lush, green, and soft. However, to our dismay, the entire top soiled lawn is filled with poa annua. It's literally everywhere in just the top-soiled lawn, but is nowhere else. Not around our house, not in our neighbor's lawns, not in any of the adjacent lawns, nowhere but the top-soiled lawn. We have discussed this with our landscaper, and he too has concluded that the top soil was contaminated with poa annua. We know that poa will eventually infiltrate as time goes by (our landscaper said 2-5 years). But it's quite frustrating to have it heavily throughout our entire, brand new, $25,000 lawn. Our landscaper is a very reputable, very honest, and is a good guy. He seems willing to help out - but also to a point. His supplier of soil has essentially refused to accept any blame in the matter, so we are stuck between a rock and hard place trying to decide what is fair to request or accept. He has offered to cover the cost of a one-time pre-emergence spray sequence (I think they spray three times over a 2 month period) this fall, if we choose that route. Alternatively, he will cover the labor for sod, if we decide to take everything up and put sod down - but we will be responsible for the difference in what sod would have cost over the hydroseeding cost (hydro ~.25/sq. ft - sod ~.75/sq. ft.). If we choose the sod route, we will lose the use of our lawn this summer, and be forced to pay for sod, which we didn't want to do in the first place... We feel bad that this problem will fall almost solely onto his shoulders, but also realize we paid a high contractor fee for him to perform as a go-between for his sub contractors. IWe feel he should be held responsible for the performance of his subs - that's why we paid a contractor fee. My plea is for some kind of advice from you Gardenwebbers. What would you do in this situation? What is fair to ask? Many and much thanks in advance. |
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| I don't know how to say this nicely, so I'm just going to say it. Unless you paid for and specified testing for Poa Annua testing of the topsoil, seed, etc. and had a contract that specified Certified Sod Quality grass with no detectable Poa Annua in it, then in the end it is YOU who are responsible. Did you specify Certified Sod Quality seed? And Topsoil people do not test topsoil for the presence of Poa Annua seed. On top of everything else, how do you expect to prove that the seed was the source, or the topsoil was the source? The entire burden of proof is on you - if you get accommodations from others it is only because they feel bad, not because they have to. |
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| $25,000 lawn??? what did they do, how much soil was brought in? just curious. 10,000sqft is not that big. |
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| nutmeagan, Maam, although I sympathize with your plight, this is a lawn care forum. You are surely welcome to vent, but this is not the place for legal advice. A lawyer can review the facts, the law (cause of actions) and be able to explain the law and what, if any, remedies are available to you. I'm sure you wouldn't go to a legal forum for lawn care advice. Free legal opinions, as are most things that are free, is usually worth what you pay for it. |
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- Posted by nutmeagan27 (My Page) on Sun, May 20, 12 at 21:09
| Yes, my apologies - I was unsure who to ask and definitely won't be pursuing anything law-related in this situation. We are just trying to figure out what will be the best solution to get rid of the poa... If I may rephrase and divert towards a more lawn care related topic... Would it be worthwhile to pursue resodding the entire lawn (at the likely cost of $5,000)? Has anyone had success with this? Alternatively, what are people's experiences with the pre-emergence spray? This is our other option. Again, my apologies. I didn't intend to ruffle any feathers... |
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| You didn't ruffle any feathers, at least not mine. Now that you've rephrased the "What is fair" to "What option should we take to get the best lawn", I'm sure you'll get some a useful advice. I suggest you restate the options (the cost to you for each) and how much more you are willing to spend out of your own pocket. You might state what your lawn expectations are; type of grass, uses for the lawn, where you live, etc. Good luck to you. |
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- Posted by Ibanez540r none (My Page) on Sun, May 20, 12 at 23:10
| If your lawn is fresh, graded, and lush with the seed that you want then there is no reason to do anything but attempt to rid the Poa. Remember that Poa is an annual grass. When the summer heat sets in it is all going to dye out and be gone.. for now. What happens now is the seed heads get set, the plant dies off, and thoseseeds sprouts again in fall. The same process happens over winter to spring. So mid to late summer put down a good pre-m, heard a lot of good about tenacity, and do this again in fall. Repeat the next spring and through the year accordingly. It should take care of it. I know it's frustrating to see, I have the same problem right now from a lawn I renovated in fall. I'm just going to block it out with a pre-m. |
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| If it were me, I'd be thankful that I didn't get a bunch of nutsedge and go the pre-emergent route. |
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| When i got sod a few years ago i got Poa that first year on only the sodded area of lawn. Went the pre-m route and two years later 99.5% of the Poa is gone. |
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