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Palmetto St Augustine

Posted by tomtigersiii TN (My Page) on
Tue, May 10, 11 at 22:33

Hello all I was trying to find out if anyone had any past experience or knowledge about Palmetto St Augustine. I am in zone 7a and have a fairly shady location. I have recently planted some Palmetto St Augustine in my shady location and it appears to be thriving right now. I have put it in a location that might get 4 hours of shade and one that gets less than 4 hours of shade. I am hoping it will continue to thrive and I guess after the future winter we will see if it holds up to the winter here. Thanks for any help.


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RE: Palmetto St Augustine

You should be in good shape. Palmetto is a semi-dwarf variety but I would allow it to get as tall as your mower will allow in the shade.

If you keep it moist (once a week deep watering at the most), it should be very drought resistant, too. If you are fertilizing with synthetic ferts, then apply after the initial spring flush of growth has stopped. Apply again on Labor Day and again later in the fall. Thanksgiving is when I do it but you are considerably farther north. You might try it around Halloween to set it up for winter. If you are using organic fertilizer, then apply about 3 weeks before your 'last frost' date, again on Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day, and Halloween/Thanksgiving.


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You should be in good shape as Palmetto is one of the most shade tolerant SA grass varieties there is and with only 4 hours of shade should thrive. Just do not mow it too short, keep around 2 to 3 inches. A good Palmetto lawn will look a lot like Fescue.

Just be sure to use good preventive maintenance by feeding, watering, and mowing practices.


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Thanks for the advice guys. I hope it doesn't get to cold here. Guess I will know next year.

Any suggestions on getting chipmunks to stop pulling up the plugs? Ive tried fox urine, but doesn't seem to be working.


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RE: Palmetto St Augustine

Apparently you don't have a cat.


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RE: Palmetto St Augustine

I agree get yourself a cat or pellet gun.

Cold could be an issue depending on what part of TN you are in. Palmetto is one of the better cold tolerant varieties of SA, so there are very few varieties that can do better other than maybe a variety called Raleigh and Texas common. If you get a extended period of hard freezing weather where the ground freezes you will have a problem, but otherwise you should be OK. Best advice I can give you is if you know a good long cold snap is coming, soak the yard with water, and pray you get snow cover before the extreme cold hits. Worse thing is to have a dry hard freeze as the cold will reach deep into the soil and kill any warm weather grass if the roots freeze. My sod farm has made a lot of money the last two years off of folks in Dallas area with SA and Bermuda grass from the extreme winters of the past two seasons. If the ground is wet and snow covered the ground will not drop below freezing.


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Sadly my palmetto st augustine died off from St Augustine decline virus. I still don't know how that happened. Hope there isn't SADV going around in your area.

TW is right about keeping ground moist prior to hard freeze. That sure works very well for me and I have Floratam and Sapphire cultivars that are not supposed to be super cold tolerant type and past two years were the coldest years I've seen at my house. Both are not recommended for growing in my area.


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Sadly my palmetto st augustine died off from St Augustine decline virus. I still don't know how that happened.

Lou I remember you saying this some time ago, but I am not totally surprised as Floritam, Floralawn, and Raleigh are the only SAD varieties known to be SAD resistant.

But I do have a question for you, but you do not have to answer because it is asked so you can better understand what I think happened. Was the Palmetto finally killed off after a cold winter? Have you used a lawn mowing service?

OK here is what I am thinking. If your Palmetto developed SAD during the growing season then had a cold winter afterwords, I would expect it to be killed off. Even though Palmetto has excellent cold tolerance, if is severely weakened by the virus, and a cold winter will certainly do it in.

Now how you got I am not sure as it is a state wide problem in TX which can be carried in by cinch bugs from neighbors, or the dreaded lawn service company with contaminated equipment, and all TX lawn service company equipment is infected with SAD. Well heck any lawn service company equipment is infected with SAD regardless of the state assuming SA grows in that state.


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Thanks for the great advice. Yeah I live in the Memphis area so furthest south in TN, but who knows. Didnt think the Raleigh St Augustine was as cold hardy as the Palmetto?

Yeah tried an outdoor cat, but it didnt make it. Too many other large critters in the back yard.

And as far as SADV well it would have to be in the plugs I purchased. No one has St Augustine here so not sure if I could get it from the area. Its either zoysia or bermuda.


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TW - I mow the lawn myself. Maybe birds stepped on SADV infested st aug lawn somewhere and brought it over here. Maybe I walked on someone's infested lawn and brought it in. I even asked county extension office and he isn't really sure but said Palmetto seemed very susceptible to it. Anyway, what used to be 95% Palmetto in the backyard appeared to be replaced with a mixture of Sapphire and Floratam. Sapphire is easy to spot with their purple flowers so I should be able to see how much it spread out. I started out with very little amount of Sapphire in few spots a few years ago.

Sapphire appears to be SADV resistant. 3 years and I don't see any problem. Even the county extension office acknowledged that.


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