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Grass getting yellow in some largish areas. Soil is hard there...

Posted by madquack CA, San Jose (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 22, 12 at 0:13

Hello All,

My front yard was newly sodded seven months ago. The lawn looked like a carpet, but recently (a month or two ago) I noticed that in certain areas, the grass wouldn't grow as thick/green as the rest of the lawn. More recently, the lawn started turning yellow in that area (it's still very mild, but I can see it.)

The area is irregular in shape and my initial suspicion was that it wasn't getting it's share of water (I turn on the sprinklers for 15 minutes every other day, as it's been pretty hot around here.)

I've walked across the lawn and poked a philips driver into the soil. For most of the lawn, it's very easy to insert the screwdriver into the soil, but that particular area seems *much* harder than the rest. I wonder, could this be affecting the grass? If so, how do I fix it?

My grass is what they locally call "Mello Jade" (Dwarf Fescue + Perennial Rye Fescue (80/20)).

Another question: Is my watering schedule realistic? I think I'm watering too much, but I fear reducing the amount of water and making the entire lawn unhappy in these hot days of summer.

Thanks in advance.
-- MQ


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RE: Grass getting yellow in some largish areas. Soil is hard ther

The best way to gauge if your lawn is not receiving enough water is to probe the soil to see how moist or dry it is (Which you have done). Soil probes usually either take a sample out of the ground or use electronic sensors to test the moisture. If you're not interested in buying one of these instruments, you can simply take a narrow screw driver or stiff wire and push it into ground in several places. If you are able to penetrate to the suggested root depth easily (usually 6-8 inches), then your soil is properly saturated. If not, then your watering is not reaching the desired depth and you may need to water for longer periods of time. You may want to perform a sprinkler test if you find that you're not getting enough water in the soil but do not know how much your sprinkler produces in a given time. A sprinkler test can be carried out by simply placing equal sized old coffee cans or tuna fish cans around the area that you run your sprinkler and let it run for 20 minutes. Once completed, take a measurement of the water that has accumulated in each container. This will show you two things: One, if you are getting an equal distribution of water in the area. If not, make the necessary adjustments to your sprinkler or sprinkler heads and test again. Two, it will tell you how much water is sprayed in twenty minutes. For example, if you have accumulated 1 inch of water (which is the ultimate goal) in your container, then you are spraying 3 inches (20 minutes X 3 = 60 minutes) of water per hour. The desired water amount can depend on the soil and its ability to absorb. As a rule of thumb, to reach the desired root depth (usually 6-8 inches) it generally can take sandy soils 1 hour per inch of water, clay soils 4-5 hours per inch of water, and Loam Soils up to 2 hours per one inch of water. However, this is only a general guide and it will vary for each lawn. In many cases, to reach the desired depths, clay soils will take 1 1/2 inches of water, loam soils can take 1 inch of water, and sand soils can take 1/2 an inch of water. So, depending on your soil type, make your adjustments accordingly. The ideal situation is to have your lawn develop a deep, healthy root system (usually 6-8 inches deep) by watering just enough (especially during the summer months) to keep your lawn nice and green. If you're unclear as to how much water is needed for your grass, your soil, or what the best time to water is. As a general rule of thumb, you want to water longer and less often, lots of sunlight, high winds, dry
air, and drought. Alternately you may want to water less in times
of cooler temperatures, lots of clouds or shade, low winds,
humidity, and high rainfall


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RE: Grass getting yellow in some largish areas. Soil is hard ther

Lots and lots of good info in KubotaMaster's post.

The general watering advice is to water no more than once a week in the heat of summer and once a month in the cooler months. This is the advice for Phoenix so it should work where you live. Of course you may have to water longer than you are currently watering to get enough water into the soil. Watering longer will develop deeper roots which can draw moisture from the deep regions of the soil all week long. The general advice again says to water for an hour. That is a starting point that covers a huge range of situations. As KubotaMaster says, how much irrigation your grass needs depends on shade, wind, humidity, cloud cover, grass height, grass type, soil depth, soil hardness, rainfall, and probably other factors. In my case in San Antonio with plenty of shade shade I apply about 3/8 inch over a 3 hour period for every zone. If we get into a really dry and sustained drought, then I might have to bump it all the way up to 7/8 inch of irrigation over a 7 hour period.

It is important to know how your sprinkler system works and how much water it applies. Mine applies 1/8 inch per hour. A friend has one that applies 1 full inch in 20 minutes. Every one is different.

If you want to move from your current watering toward once a week watering, you almost always need to do that gradually. You can increase the time and decrease the frequency at the same time. Get a handle on how much you are applying. Watch the grass carefully for signs of dryness between watering. If it appears dry, water immediately but for a longer time than the last time. That will get the roots deeper into the soil and all the benefits that come with that.


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RE: Grass getting yellow in some largish areas. Soil is hard ther

Thanks KubotaMaster and dchall_san_antonio. Excellent information!

I'm pretty sure my front yard puts out a lot of water. I measured it once, but I can't remember exactly (will do it again to be sure.)

What puzzles me is that the rest of the grass is pretty happy and healthy. These patches are slowly "falling behind" in growth and turning yellow. Like I said, soil is considerably harder in those areas of the lawn.

The funny thing is that I have a sprinkler right next to the area and it seems to be working well. Maybe it's throwing *over* the area? I turn it on for a few minutes and check the grass with my hands and it feels pretty wet. Also, if it is throwing over, how do I fix it? I already changed the head to one of those "two in one" heads (far and near) but the problem persists. Any ideas?

I'll measure the amount of water this weekend and report.

Thanks!
-- MQ


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RE: Grass getting yellow in some largish areas. Soil is hard ther

I would saturate the areas with shampoo prior to watering. Some soils become or are hydrophobic, and water runs off to other areas. I had this problem in spots. After a few shampoo treatments (3 oz. per 1000 setting on your hose end sprayer) it has resolved. You can use White Rain, VO5, or Baby Shampoo. The cheapest stuff with the least additives is best, just basic shampoo.


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