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Lawn Turning Light Green

Posted by estat none (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 29, 12 at 17:31

This past spring I had some sewer repair work in my front yard that damaged my entire front yard. Knowing my wife would not live with a torn up yard until fall, I decided to re-seed my front yard. I used Round-up in early May, waited two week, cut out what was left of my grass and rotilled. I had to bring in about two extra yards of topsoilthat I blended in to the entire yard. I planted the seed which was equal parts of KBG, Fescue and Ryegrass from my local gardening store. Put some starter fertilizer and straw on top. This was near the end of May in Michigan and it just started to get warm, the grass seed germinated beautifully, I was watering twice a day and it was really looking nice. A couple weeks ago, I mowed for the first time because the grass was getting to be about 4" in one area of the lawn and have mowed one more time just this week. The first time I mowed it at 3". This time I mowed it at 2 1/2". I've noticed one side of my lawn has been struggling more than the other side. There are a lot of blades of grass there but they aren't growing like the other side. This week I've noticed a little bit of browning on some of the blades of grass in this area as well. I had cut back my watering to once a day in the morning but have just recently started twice a day again because of the heat. I'm concerned about this area of my grass and don't want to lose it. I was wondering if anyone had ideas on why the grass is turning lighter green in this area and why it has begun to brown. I was thinking about spreading a half dose of starter fertilizer to try and kick-start the growing process. Any suggestions would be appreciated.


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RE: Lawn Turning Light Green

I understand you and your wife's desire to have grass throughout the summer, but unfortunately a lot of mistakes were made. Tilling isn't recommended for lawns as it usually leads to lumpy, uneven ground and tilling can bring up a lot of dormant weed seeds. Seeding cool season grasses is ideally done in late summer/early fall when the heat and humidity break, and the young grass can mature into the late fall when soil temps are dropping, perfect for developing good roots. Seeding in late spring is a recipe for failure, as the heat and humidity of summer is very stressful on young grass, and once soil temps get too high root growth is minimal to nothing. Another issue is the frequent watering you are doing can increase the likelihood of fungal diseases. As for why one side is doing better than the other, perhaps there are soil differences, or maybe one side gets some beneficial shade that keeps the area cooler. The light grass could be young crabgrass, poa triv, or it could be that the new grass is having trouble maturing. Whatever the issue is, I think you should nurse your new grass along this summer, no fertilizers now as it will force your new stressed grass to deplete its reserves in the heat of summer. Get a soil test now, so when late summer rolls around you can add any amendments you may need, and overseed areas that need it.


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RE: Lawn Turning Light Green

At the risk of rubbing salt into the wound, you are still making mistakes. Tiemco covered some big structural problems, but you have a knack for making choices that are hurting your lawn.

You live in Michigan. That's helpful. Thanks.

How long do you water when you water? Have you measured your sprinkler output (with a tuna can or cat food can)? How long does it take your system to fill a cat food can. Mine takes 8 hours. My neighbor's system takes 20 minutes. Every one is different. It has happened that a spring seeded lawn has survived but only with a ton of water.

More importantly, how long did you continue watering twice a day once the first grass sprouted? And how long did you water when you were sprouting the seeds?

Why did you bring in new topsoil? Did you have a drainage problem with water puddling in places?

Answering those questions will help figure out why your lawn is acting the way it is.

Now the one thing you can do to help the lawn is to stop mowing the lawn during the heat. For most grasses in the north the best survival strategy for heat stressed turf is to let it go unmowed. You are still mowing and even mowing shorter. Ideally (and tiemco differs in this) fescue and rye would look best when mowed at a higher setting than KBG. My preference is to mow at the mower's highest setting. Tiemco's lawn is gorgeous mowed much lower but his is a mature lawn on good soil with ideal watering and fertilizing. Out here in the wild in the summer heat, the really really tall grass is going to survive the heat and dessicated soils better than short grass. ...and I'm not talking about bermuda, bent, or centipede grasses. Most of the rest can go to 5, 6 or 7 inches and will be much better off than at 1 or 2.


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I understand spring seeding is not ideal. I didn't have the money for sod and I wasn't going to have my lawn be all dirt until fall. That's behind me, let's focus on the future and the condition at hand.

The light grass is not young crabgrass. I have some crabgrass in the lawn and this area is not crabgrass. They are grass blades that have not made it to the height the other grass blades have.

Right now I am watering about a half hour once a day in the morning around 6:30 a.m. I haven't done a technical measurement but I would guess my sprinkler has an output of 1/4" of water in a half hour based on observations I've made over the years.

When I did water twice a day, it was at 6:30 a.m. and anywhere between 1:00 p.m. and 3:00 p.m. I never watered after 3:00 because of fear of introducing fungus diseases to the lawn. I watered twice a day for probably a month until I mowed for the first time. After the first mowing, I cut back to once a day. Occasionally on a hot day, I hand sprayed the lawn a second time but only to not have the topsoil dry out. And I only did this a couple times when I got off work early.

If you've ever had your yard completely dug up, you will realize why I had to bring in topsoil. Tire ruts, removed sod, etc. It was required to bring it up level with sidewalks and driveways and still maintain positive drainage away from my house. If i didn't do it, I would have had water puddling in some places.

My mowers maximum cut height is around 3 1/2", maybe 4" but I think 3 1/2". It is a push mower. I can only let it is grow to around 4.5" to 5" without exceeding the 1/3rd rule of clipping off the top of the grass. Correct? So I can't let it grow to 7 inches tall.

I have a few weeds coming in. I assume you would have me not spray for weeds after the 4th mowing as recommended. When should I do this? The end of August or at least four weeks prior to overseeding?


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I realize we seem harsh in our review of your situation. You can't always pick the best times to have your plumbing replaced. And yes, I have had both incoming and sewage replaced. All the disturbed soil was mounded back up over trenches and, three years later, everything is as level as it started. If you had low spots to begin with, then you did need more soil for the exact reasons you mentioned.

Do I understand that you continued watering 2-3x per day for a month after planting? Or after the first sprouts popped? Or some other reference? The problem with your mix of seeds is that ryegrass pops in a week. If you back off on watering then, which seems to be a strong inclination, then neither the fescue nor the KBG will sprout. Fescue sprouts at 2 weeks minimum and KBG will not sprout until 3 weeks of continual moisture. The reason you have yellowish grass in spots might be that you only have one variety of grass there rather than the blend.

You have to suspend the 1/3 rule in the heat of summer. Besides that rule is like the Pirate's Code - more of what you would call guidelines than actual rules.

At this point I would treat the weeds as if they were your favorite grass. If nothing else they are green and covering a bare spot in the soil. About mid August you can start worrying about how to get rid of them. For example, crabgrass dies by itself in the fall. It is an annual plant that only lives a few months. If you have weeds that go to seed in a week, you should try to mow the seed heads before they become seeds. Use a string trimmer or something so you are not mowing the grass too short. There are spot weed treatments you can use, too. Weed-B-Gone spray works as does fire and sometimes boiling water. Obviously some are worse than others. The weed hound is a great tool for plucking tap rooted weeds. If you spray weeds, just moisten the leaves of the weed, don't drench the soil.

You should also start watering longer and see if you can skip a day now and then. With your sprinkler output, ideally you would be watering for 2 hours once per week during the heat of summer and 2 hours once per month the rest of the non-frozen months. But since your new grass is used to daily watering, you cannot get there cold turkey. You have to ease your way up to once per week watering. Yes, the surface will dry out. That's good. Weed seeds need continual surface moisture in order to sprout. When you allow the surface to dry completely, most weeds are stopped.

If you would like to fertilize over the summer, you can use organic fertilizer any time you want. Milorganite is popular but I prefer plain alfalfa pellets (rabbit food). Apply at 20 pounds per 1,000 square feet. In 3 weeks you'll see a deep dark green. Whether you see quicker growth in the heat of summer just depends. It will improve things, though. You can apply every week, every month, or just once. It all helps improve your soil. You cannot over apply until you run out of money.


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