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Sat, Jul 28, 12 at 9:39
| I have a question on when to feed new sod. Myself and my brothers laid new sod on June 27th - so its been about four weeks. I followed the sod companys advice in adding lime (JG Magical) and starter fertilizer. I also amended the soil with 25 lbs of alfalfa green dehydrated pellets with 17% crude protein. Dumbest thing I didnt do was get a soil test from Logan Labs. The sod, which is a blend of 90% Tarheel II, Wolfpack II, Faith and 10% Bewitched KGB looks great. But it is now showing some signs of hay like grass spots. Its been mowed three times starting on day 12 after installation.
Should I add another round of alfalfa, Miloroganite or a shot of starter fertilizer again or nothing and wait for fall? Ive backed off the water to every other day for 20 min. The in ground irrigation oscillators are very efficient. Any advice would be much appreciated!! |
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| You can continue with alfalfa or milorganite as often as you would like. You cannot use chemical fertilizer in the summer, though. Unless your sod supplier did a soil test, you should have waited for a real soil test to add lime. What do the spots look like? As you back off on the water, are you increasing the time? Where do you live? |
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| First, thanks for responding - appreciate your help. I've been confused on how much I should water sod due to never owning it before and due to the extreme heat we are experiencing in NJ along the shore area. I had it going for 15 min per day everyday for the first 2 weeks then backed it off to every other day for 20 min. This picture in the above post is after the first mowing. I had he lawnmower set at the 2nd highest setting but the blades of the aod were quite long and I think I shouldve cut the lawn probably two to three days earlier or at the highest setting at least. I mowed it today at the highest setting and from the picture you will be able to tell that the sod color and density is not quite as good. |

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| I should also tell you that we have had some monster thunderstorms here that have dropped a few inches of rain in a short period of time since I took that first picture. I backed the sprinklers off half of what I was running it. It looks like I may have to overseed those areas now in the early part of Septemeber right? That stinks but if I have to so be it. I have a half renovation planned for my front in early September with a mix of TTTF Cochise/Bullseye/Firecracker LS and KGB Bewitched/Everglade/Zinfindel. So I could use that blend in the areas that are now thinned. What do you think? |
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| Those spots, especially the ring in the second picture, look like fungal disease. Brown patch is pretty common on TTTF, which it could be, but there are others that can affect your lawn in summer. Brown patch often doesn't affect the crowns, so many times those areas will come back when the crowns start sending new blades out in the late summer when soil temps are lower. You could over seed any bare patches with that mix you have, those are excellent cultivars, but keep in mind the KBG you have in your sod should also fill in any spots where the grass has died. |
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| Thanks Tiemco for the response. Yeah I kinda of thought it could be a fungal issue with the amount of rain we were receiving. Should I put down a fungicide? I'd rather not if I didnt have to BUT I am concerned that this could spread throughout the entire lawn. Thanks again. |
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| For new sod you should water 3x per day for 10-15 minutes - breakfast, lunch, and dinner are good times. Do that for 3 full weeks. If you are sodding in the summer, you have to keep that up to get the new roots to knit into the underlying soil. If you were sodding in the cooler months it might be a different schedule but 3 weeks is still the duration. You'll be okay but I'd get back on a little more frequent watering than you are on now. Since you have KBG in the mix, you should not have to overseed. KBG will spread to fill. Also in the heat you can skip a week of mowing and see how it looks. If it is still really dry at the end of the second week, skip again. Taller grass does a lot better in the heat and drought than short grass. Tall grass also grows deeper roots which capture more moisture at the deeper soil levels. Once the grass is more mature, say end of Sept, you can really start to back off on the watering frequency and up the duration of each application. Your brown grass could be dormant KBG from backing off on the watering too early. If dormant it will come back. |
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| Ok - thanks for the tips gentlemen. I will water on that schedule and mow less frequently and on its highest setting and see how that goes. I hope it returns to its original glory. I loved waking up in the morning and sipping my coffee looking out from the kitchen window admiring it. Now the frontyard - I'm wrestling a bear that I can't beat for six straight years in good old Toms River NJ... |
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| I will post new pics at the beginning of September. |
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| My recommendation would be to get that turf disease under control now. I would recommend a broad spectrum fungicide, which I believe you will find at the big box stores or at John Deere Landscapes, or at Lesco. If left untreated, the disease will spread. 2 applications, 14 days apart will be needed. That sod is a large investment that needs to be protected. |
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| Used to know someone from Toms River. Visited once but didn't pay any attention to the soil. I remember it was a lot of green after coming from Texas. How amazing a lawn do you want? It is not that hard, especially when you have the NJ head start. |
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| Ok -- so how to play this out? Wait and see if it self-repairs, wait and overseed or treat it with a fungicide now? If a fungicide is the answer which one? Do I just spot spray the infected looking areas? |
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| If you choose to treat the lawn now with a fungicide, you can use Immunox, which can be purchased at Lowes or Home Depot. Since you have already mowed the grass, your mower has spread the fungus all over the lawn, so you will need to treat the entire lawn. You will need to know how much square footage area there is to be treated, and then purchase enough product for two applications at the curative rate, 14 days apart. |
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| What is the potential risk of treating 4 wk old sod with luminox vs waiting until September 1st? I am leaning towards treating the area at this point. |
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| "What is the potential risk of treating 4 wk old sod with luminox vs waiting until September 1st?" The potential risk for not treating with Immunox now would be waking up in the morning, sipping on your coffee, and looking out from your kitchen window at lots of large brown, dead areas in your turf. If you do treat now with Immunox, you'll be waking up in the morning, sipping on your coffee, and looking out from your kitchen window at a view that looks similar to the first photo you posted in this thread. So, which view would you prefer to enjoy on Labor Day weekend? |
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| Lol -- okay I got it. Sometimes you need someone to slap you silly and make things crystal clear. That was actually pretty funny. |
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| That is some beautiful sod that was laid down on your property. You should do whatever is necessary to protect that investment. Good luck! |
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| Just bought it and thanks to all of you guys! I will be needing your advice with my front yard in next few weeks. |
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| You can't wait around to make a decision with fungal disease. Read the label carefully for information about the temperature at application. |
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| Applied immunox and I will put a second application down in 14 days. Hopefully that slows and cures the fungal issue. Also I am gonna take dchall's advice and not mow until September. I aslo put about 25 lbs of alfalfa green dehydrated pellets with 17% crude down on Sunday. This is for dchall - how long ago were you here in Toms River? It has changed a whole lot in the last 15-20 years unfortuanately. Used to be a quiet, quaint and picturesque town with a strong colonial history. Now it is overpopulated to the max with folks that have moved down from the cities of Northern NJ and NY. Ugh! Anyways we are known for the filming area of the original Amityville Horror which was filmed right on the Toms River, Little League world series champs in 1998 who's star player is now a starter on the Cincinnati Reds in Todd Frazier, the book Blind Faith about a true story in which the affluent, country club produced a murderer who offed his wife for a big payday. It became a miniseries in the early 90's on one of the big networks. My wife actually grew up down the street from the guy. Well and yes we have plenty of beautiful, green lawns especially all of the ones who use a certain lawn service. I havent given in to that yet - I enjoy gardening even if I dont always get it just right. My grandfather was a farmer so I guess its in the blood! Nice communicating with you! |
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| "Also I am gonna take dchall's advice and not mow until September." Personally I think this is a bad idea. Pick a height, and stick to it. The calender shouldn't be used to determine when you mow, the grass' height should. |
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| What about the possiblity of infecting the lawn further by cutting the grass again and spreading he fungal issue through the blade of mower? Let me know what you think tiemco thanks! |
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| Yes, tiemco and I disagree on mowing height. I would always mow fescue at the mower's highest setting while he mows at 3 inches (if I remember correctly). The fact people are successful following either of our preferences very likely means you can't hurt it either way. One issue with letting it grow tall is, how do you bring it back down without scalping it? You sort of have to scalp it down that first time and trust that it will recover. In no case, though, should you be mowing fescue or KBG at 2 inches or lower in the heat of summer. Spreading disease via the mower does not bother me as long as you are treating the entire yard (you should be). I only visited Tom's River for a few days back in 85. Mostly used it as a base to visit Seaside Park, Barnegat, Edison (friends), Princeton, NYC, and a cool little village on the PA border with lots of shops (never remember the name of that place). |
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| I just jumped up to the top and realized I have you mixed up with someone else. Your particular mix of grasses should probably not get too awful tall. 3 inches is good height. The KBG can go dormant in summer heat and spring back to life when the temps cool down. That might freak you out a little with part of the lawn turning brown. Take a deep breath and keep the water on it deep and infrequently. |
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| If you treated your yard then you can mow, making sure to do it when the lawn is dry, as most fungal diseases are spread via water. Also bag your clippings as opposed to leaving them on the lawn during times of disease. From Dchall: " In no case, though, should you be mowing fescue or KBG at 2 inches or lower in the heat of summer." Regarding tall fescue mowing height in summer, here is a good article that goes against the advice above: http://buckeyeturf.osu.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&i
d=1191&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=170 For the record I cut my TTTF at 2.5 most of the year, going down to 2 inches if periods of rain are in the forecast that last several consecutive days. |
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| Good article. I had forgotten you mowed that low. I knew it was low but to me, anything below 4 inches is too low for my comfort zone. Read that article carefully. It lists all the reasons to not mow low as well as some special cases for mowing low. If you are going to mow low, you have to be right on top of your watering. The article says, * Shorter mown turf dries out much quicker than high cut turf. If leaf tissue is wet for prolonged periods of time it is more susceptible to a range of summer diseases, like brown patch. The dryness is exactly the reason you want to let the grass grow tall in the summer. You'll need to irrigate less often and that will usually take care of disease issues. Perhaps, as tiemco suggests, there is a cause for concern with tall grass in the summer if you have Mother Nature helping you out with the watering. |
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| You are reading the article incorrectly Dchall. The phrase "Shorter mown turf dries out much quicker than high cut turf. If leaf tissue is wet for prolonged periods of time it is more susceptible to a range of summer diseases, like brown patch." is one of the BENEFITS of lower mowing. The grass blades dry out quicker, not the soil. Prolonged leaf wetness is what you want to avoid. A high turf traps moisture among the leaf blades, increasing risk of disease. Evapotranspiration rates between low and high turf are essentially the same, and it is usually lower in shorter turf due to the decreased leaf area. |
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| Updated pic of lawn after being treated with fungicide. It needs a haircut though. The one big hole/brown spot on bottom of pic is courtesy of my Westie. |

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| Now that looks more like it!!! And yes, you will need to make that second application 14 days after the first application. If you don't, the disease will return. |
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| Mostly my observation was that article presented both sides of the situation. It briefly presented the case for tall grass with a big, BUT. Then it focused on the (limited ;-) ) benefits of shorter grass. From what I've seen here over the years, most people are more successful with longer grass, especially in the summer. |
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