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new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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Tue, Jul 19, 11 at 14:25
| I bought a foreclosed home that was abandoned for about 2 years and I'm trying to get the lawn in shape. I have this grass that i think is smooth crabgrass but I'm not sure. I have pictures of it. I also took pictures of a thick cushy grass that's had patches since we moved in and I'd like to know what it is as well so i can plant some more.
the first two pictures are the cushy grass, one is the seed and the other is it in the yard, the next 5 are what i think might be crabgrass. its all over in the front yard, and patches in the back.
your help is greatly appreciated.
http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/rockerdudelive/plants/ |
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RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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Looks like crabgrass to me also. What zone do you live in so we can give you better advice! |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| I live in bradenton florida (very central near beaches) idk i try to look up crabgrass but i havent seen any that have that type of leaf structure. It doesnt really grow upwards, but spreads out. idk i'm an noob when it comes to this |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| I would say St. Augustine grass. |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| Several of the pictures with red circles are St Augustine. It is a great lawn for your area. If you treat it well, it will spread another 5 feet in all directions this season. It can easily move 10 feet in a full year when it has proper water, mowing height, and fertilizer. Here's what I would do right now. Follow these steps and you will be surprised how fast you have something that looks fairly nice.
- Water deeply and infrequently. Deeply means at least an hour in every zone, all at once. Infrequently means monthly during the cool months and no more than weekly during the hottest part of summer. If your grass looks dry before the month/week is up, water longer next time. Deep watering grows deep, drought resistant roots. Infrequent watering allows the top layer of soil to dry completely which kills off many shallow rooted weeds.
- Mulch mow at the highest setting on your mower. Most grasses are the most dense when mowed tall. Bermuda, centipede, and bent grasses are the most dense when mowed at the lowest setting on your mower. Dense grass shades out weeds and uses less water when tall. Dense grass feeds the deep roots you're developing in 1 above.
- Fertilize regularly. I fertilize 4 times per year using organic fertilizer. Which fertilizer you use is much less important than numbers 1 and 2 above.
If you want to get there faster, you can use organic fertilizer every week in the summer without any fear of messing anything up. Can't do that with chemical fertilizers. Then after the summer heat breaks (about January for you), you can evaluate what you have. If you want to kill broadleaf weeds, use something like Weed-B-Gon spray and spot-spray individual weeds. St Augustine is sensitive to WBG so be careful with it and don't overspray onto the good grass. |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| To rockerdudelive: dchall is recognized as the most knowledgeable on this forum as it relates to St. Augustine grass. You would be wise to follow his recommendations. |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| so the one i am holding in my hand is st Augustine too? it doesn't look like any of the pictures i see on google image. you can see how it took off like crazy in one area of the yard. how would you suggest i get it to spread? buy seeds or maybe replant some runners to start in other areas of the yard? |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| The one you are holding in your hand might be centipede. St Augustine had a boat tailed tips. Centipede has more of a pointed tip. You might have both in there. Which one is spreading fastest? Centipede THRIVES on poor soil and poor care. St Augustine needs to be fertilized and watered. |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| i believe the one i'm holding and the one i circled is the same grass based off of the way the blades look and the color. its a darker green, not very bright and vibrant. |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| Picture #2 is definitely St. Augustine grass. The pictures with red circles look like goosegrass aka silver crabgrass. |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| LOL, I have to admit this happens all the time. I went back and looked again at your pictures. As I said, St Aug and centipede look much alike except for the boat tail tips on St Aug. This time I zoomed in to look. It is not St Augustine. I believe it is centipede and the best looking centipede I've seen. Never seen it in person and always thought of it as a weedy grass, but that looks pretty nice. Centipede should spread to cover but here is a source for seed. I apologize for missing that. It seemed so obvious. |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| @dchall: Not to doubt you at all, because you know more about St. Augustine than I will ever know, but if picture #2 is centipede, then they must be feeding it steroids! Or perhaps its a type of centipede that I have not seen before. When I saw the wide blades of grass on pic #2, I was convinced it was St. Augustine. That doesn't look like the centipede I am used to seeing here in the Carolinas. I do agree it doesn't have that well-defined signature boat leaf tip shape. However, if dchall says it isn't St. Augustine, thats good enough for me. |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| Lol...ok, ok. So I've been heavily chastised by my good friend at Super Sod for not being able to recognize centipede. Yes, according to someone who knows and sells it for a living, what I identified as St. Augustine is actually centipede. Do a lot of people in central Florida grow centipede? Yes, I need to go back to turf ID class. Sorry for the confusion. |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| I do have some goosegrass that has started popping up in the last few weeks. it looks like this http://www.ppws.vt.edu/scott/weed_id/goosegrass9-4.jpg and this http://www.oisat.org/images/eleusine_indica_base.jpg but if i search goosegrass in google image i also get pictures that look the same as the ones i circled. But when they grow they look like the one i'm holding. It has such a distinct blade curve. I'm just trying to figure out if it is a weed or actual grass. so we have concluded that the first two pictures are actually centipede and the others are probably a crabgrass breed? and i'm not too familiar but i believe that centipede is a rather common grass down here. So is Bahia and st augustine. |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| I was ridiculing myself earlier for misidentifying the centipede in your photo. One of my turf peers told me I should go back to school and take the Turf ID class over again...Lol. I can usually walk onto a lawn and tell immediately whether it is centipede or St. Augustine, but you wouldn't know that from my cluster mess earlier in this thread. dchall had to intervene and set me straight. My best guess on the weed in question is goosegrass. I knew that most warm-season grasses exist throughout Florida, but I didn't think of centipede or bahia being part of that list. I have only thought of Bermuda, SA, Zoysia and Seashore Paspalum as desirable turf in Florida. |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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| Bahia is EVERYWHERE. half of my back yard is bahia but i hate it. It grows way too fast and the seedheads are hideous. so just to be clear picture one and two are centipede, picture 3 and the top circled one in picture 6 is goosegrass. now picture 4, 5, the bottom circle in 6, and 7 are all what grass? is that st augustine? picture 3-7 are all one part of the yard. Most of that corner of the yard can be seen in picture 4, so its the one going crazy. I would just like to know if it is a grass or a weed that will die out in the winter (which will make me sad because it looks so much better than dirt whew thats alot :/ |
RE: new home, is it crabgrass or something else?
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It is Goosegrass. http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/WEEDS/goosegrass.html |
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