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West Texas bermudagrass lawn needs help!

Posted by EricT43 TX (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 28, 12 at 15:24

I'm attaching some pictures of my lawn, which is looking pretty awful lately. For the last several years, I've been paying a guy to take care of it, but I recently fired him and decided to take over myself.

In the last couple of weeks, I've done the following:
- Increased watering to 25 minutes 3x per week
- Replaced some sprinkler nozzles to improve coverage and repair damaged ones
- Aerated
- Applied Spectracide, since grubs are a common problem in this area
- Tested the soil with a home kit - pH is 7-8, N "low", P "med", and K "high" (we live in a desert region, and the soil is mostly sand from what I can tell)
- Applied Scott's Southern Turf builder (this morning actually) according to package instructions
- Spent a lot of time staring at it and wondering what else to do!

I recently found and read the Bermuda Bible, and will apply the maintenance routine suggested there. I'm not sure what to do about watering, since I don't know if all the brown grass needs more water or if I have some other problem.

If there are any suggestions for other things I can do to improve this lawn, I'd be most grateful!


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RE: West Texas bermudagrass lawn needs help!

Here's a closeup of one of the dead areas around the edge of the lawn.


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...and a closeup of one of the healthier areas...


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How much water goes down in that 25 minutes.


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Not quite sure, but I will measure it. I assume I put some cups out in the yard and measure the depth of water that accumulates, correct?


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OK I ran the sprinkler with a couple of small dishes out in the yard. I got 1/2" in the middle of the yard and 7/8" in the dead spot. This means they're getting 1-1/2" to almost 3" per week, not including rain.


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I only water one time one inch a week.
Looks like leafhopper damage to me. When you walk across it are there a lot of small grasshopper type insects flying around.


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Yeah, I see slight imperfections in the care but don't see anything that would cause the dead spots. Since disease is such a rare event in bermuda, I'm guessing insect damage. Do you see any caterpillars in the grass evening? I sincerely hope you do because they are the easiest to control with BT Worm Control. The BT sprayed in the evening would take care of all the caterpillars instantly.

Water is not the issue, but you are overwatering by a considerable amount. Where are you in West Texas. West Texas is bigger than most states.

Your big challenge now would be to keep common bermuda out while the rest is recovering.


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Thanks for the feedback. I am in El Paso, about as far west as you can get. Climate is pretty much the same as southern New Mexico and Arizona.

I have looked on the surface for insects, and have not found any. No caterpillars, grasshoppers, or anything like that. I have had grubs in the past, which is why I put then Spectracide down, though I do not think I have that problem now. Usually when I have grubs the birds are out there ripping up the lawn in the morning, and that hasn't happened.

I will consider reducing my watering schedule. Around here, any time there is a problem, the first thing people tell you is to give it more water.


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What is scott's turfbuilder? Are you giving it nitrogen?


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Also: wasn't there another thread on here with similar problems due to insufficient organic material, aka boulders underneath the ground/not enough topsoil for the root system to develop? That was my understanding of it anyway. If you have mostly sand, maybe that's the problem?


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Scott's Southern Turfbuilder is a 32-0-10 fertilizer, so yes I'm giving it nitrogen, but I just added it recently. The guy who was taking care of the yard fertilized in the spring too, though I'm not sure what he used or how much.

I wouldn't be surprised if I was lacking organic material. Common practice in this area is for landscapers to put sod down on the native "soil", which is basically just sand and rocks.

Now, my lawn was put down almost 6 years ago, and I haven't had a significant problem until just recently. Not sure if that means something.


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Perform the crew driver test. See how far it will penetrate. I would get a legitimate soil test done. I would also top dress it with compost.


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That would be the "screw driver test." Test the soil where the grass is growing well and test where it is dead. You're looking for depth of penetration and ease of penetration. It could be you have a big rock buried under the bad spots. Is this a new thing this year?

Also take a look at your Spectracide bottle. Be sure it was an insecticide and not a herbicide. Did you apply under the proper environmental conditions. Specifically I would be concerned about temperature in El Paso. If it says not to apply at temps above 80 degrees, that could be your problem. Or it might not be for use on bermuda.

Also take a look at the Turf Builder bag. Was it labeled for anything else (weed control). It often happens that products which should never be sold in the south are sold in the south.

When you applied the Turf Builder, did you water it in immediately or did you wait until the next day? If you did not water it immediately then the next morning's dew can destroy the turf by concentrating the fertilizer right on the base of the grass plants.


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Screwdriver test results: a 6" phillips went all the way in fairly easily in the good spots and most of the bad spots. One of the bad spots is rocky underneath, but the rest seemed to do as well as the good spots.

This is a new thing this year. The lawn has never been what I would call beautiful, but I have always had good green coverage until this year.

This is the Spectracide I used, it's for insects:
http://www.spectracide.com/Products-and-Solutions/Triazicide/Spectraci de-Triazicide-Insect-Killer-Once-and-DoneTM-Granules.aspx

I also used this product last year, before the problems developed.

This is the Southern Turf Builder:
http://www.scotts.com/smg/catalog/productTemplate.jsp?proId=prod100036 &itemId=cat50034

Scott's says it is good for bermudagrass. I watered immediately after applying.

Note that these products have been applied recently in an effort to correct the problems after they already appeared, so I don't suspect that they are the cause.


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Is there any chance you were sabotaged by your ex lawn guy? It wouldn't have to be something like RoundUp. Just applying the wrong herbicide in the heat would cause that damage. Or, like I mentioned before, fertilizer without watering it in would damage the lawn.


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I too, was wondering if the lawn guy may have applied something harmful to the turf.


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Did he know he was getting fired before he came to your house to take care if the lawn?


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How large of a lawn are we talking about? You got some time left for rehab, but I need to know how large of a lawn it is before I say anything.


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If the ex-lawn guy had anything to do with it, I'm sure it was accidental. I let him go after the lawn went south and he didn't seem to know what to do about it. It was amicable, I just told him I was going to start taking care of it myself.

It's a small yard...we have tiny lots in El Paso. 650 sq ft of grass in the back yard and about 100 in the front.


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It's a small yard...we have tiny lots in El Paso. 650 sq ft of grass in the back yard and about 100 in the front.

Perfect. In the dead zone take a garden rake, the kind with solid stiff tines and rake up the dead debris and loosen up the soil. Go to the garden center and get yourself about 3/4 cubic yard of compost, and a bag of fertilizer made of slow release urea (sulfur coated) or Ammonia Sulphate based. Spread the compost evenly over the whole yard being careful not to bury any of the grass, and rake it in the dead zone area to mix with the loosened soil. Apply the fertilizer at the recommended bag rate.

The next challenge and this is the crucial one, water. You have really crappy soil in El Paso. In fact it is not soil, it is coarse sand if memory serves me correctly. So you can throw out all watering rules because they do not apply to you. If you water only once a week your grass is going to die. Sand does not hold water or nutrients worth a darn.

You need to know how to let the grass tell you when it needs soaked by watching for the color shift. But for now in this heat you will likely need to water everyday or every other day.

To combat the soil PH and nitrogen level you need to use a sulfur coated urea or ammonia sulphate fertilizer. The sulfur in these products will lower the PH. You will also need to fertilize more frequently. I suggest every 2-weeks at half the recommended rate.


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TW,
SO what caused this? bad soil.


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Thanks, TW, I I will follow your advice. You are right, the soil is pretty much all sand. By following your suggestions, the good grass should eventually spread into the dead areas, correct?

The city ordinance says that I can water on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday, which is what I have been doing. With the sandy soil, would I be better off watering twice a day for half the time, or giving it a longer watering in the morning as I have been?

Thanks!


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TW,
SO what caused this? bad soil.

Beats me. If I had to guess just really coarse dry nutrient poor soil.


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By following your suggestions, the good grass should eventually spread into the dead areas, correct?

That is the plan.

The city ordinance says that I can water on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday, which is what I have been doing. With the sandy soil, would I be better off watering twice a day for half the time, or giving it a longer watering in the morning as I have been?

For now early in the morning, and again during late day. Monitor soil moisture with a Screw Driver test. Look for wilting during the heat of the day. On off days can you use hand spraying?


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I spent the occasional night at Fort Bliss during the 70s and remember the soil as being worse than TW described it. Yes, the soil watering mantra does not apply in a coarse, river bottom, rubble. That truly is not soil. In fact El Paso might be my new 'worst spot in the nation' for soils dethroning Las Vegas.

Has this year been hotter or dryer than normal?


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TW, I can probably do some hand spraying, or maybe run the sprinkler after dark on off-days. That would most likely be restricted to the back so I don't get a citation.

dchall, El Paso is probably not much different from Las Vegas, the general terrain and climate is similar. Sand and rocks. It has been drier than normal the last couple of years. And we had a week of 105+ temperatures in June, so I'd say it's been hotter than usual too.


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With that in mind, I'm going with heat stress. Situation normal for the conditions. Water very briefly in the afternoons if you can to cool the grass off. This is not so much a watering, but a refreshing rinse.


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Regarding the fertilizer, the Lowe's near me has Howard Johnson's 21-0-0 fertilizer. I'm not familiar with the brand, but the label on the back says:
21% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
24% Combined Sulfur
Derived from: Ammonium Sulfate

Is this what I should be using? If so, I'll pick up a bag of this stuff, and around 18 bags of compost, and get started...


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That should do well.


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Yep it will work. But I am not eating at HoJo's anymore.


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Trying to figure out how much of this is fast release nitrogen.
I tried to look up HJ 21-0-0 on the internet and the HJ site. No luck.
Is there anything on the back of the bag about water-soluble or Water-insoluble.

For some reason I am getting hits on the internet about ammonium nitrate being fast release.

The sulfur coated urea or ammonia sulphate fertilizer that TW suggested is a slow release and wont burn your yard up.


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Eric, my lawn looks much like yours and I, too, am baffled. Question, do you see a bunch of small holes in the dead areas?


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apundt,
I also had a very hard time finding any information about this product. I didn't really see anything on the bag about slow release or quick release. Before I make a purchase, I'll print out TW's reply to me and take it to the local nursery where the employees know what they're talking about, and see if they can recommend something appropriate.

david,
I have not noticed any small holes in my dead areas, just the ones I made with my aerating tool. I'm no expert, but if I did see that, I would suspect insects of some kind. Maybe if you start a thread on that and post some pictures, someone would know what it might be.


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If you can't find a slow release fertilizer maybe do that 21-0-0 and 1/3 rate. It would be like putting down a 7-0-0 and not burn the grass up.


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I just got a response from the vendor:

"Good Morning Eric,

21-00-00 is Ammonium Sulfate and it does not contain any slow release nitrogen.

Thank you for your interest in HJE products.

Thanks,
Pam"


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21-00-00 is Ammonium Sulfate and it does not contain any slow release nitrogen.

Do not use it, especially now as it is way to hot and dry.


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TW, do you still recommend adding a slow-release fertilizer (I saw your advisory post about not fertilizing), or should I just go with the compost?


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Are you getting monsoon rains?


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Not really, we had frequent rain last week but nothing heavy.


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Put the compost down, and hold off a while on fertilizer till it cools off a bit. If your new watering routine starts greening the grass up and growing well, then you can apply fertilizer. Just use 1/2 to 1/3 rates until it cools off. But you do not want to push it too hard right now, it is just too dang hot. Once the daytime temps drop back off in the 90's you can get aggressive.


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OK, I am holding off on any more fertilizer for now.

I started putting down the compost last night. One problem I notice though, is that the compost has a lot of large "particles" in it, pieces of wood and so forth, that I will have to rake up before I mow next time. I don't think my reel mower will deal well with that stuff. In any case, I hope to finish spreading it tonight if my lower back can handle it.

I also changed my watering schedule. On the timer, it is watering Tues/Thurs/Sat for 15 minutes at 4am and again at 7pm. That will give me about 1/3" at each watering, which will add up to about 2" over the course of a week.

Off the record, I am also running the sprinklers manually for about 15 minutes on the off days as well, after it gets dark ;)

I'll keep you all posted on the results. Thanks a million for all the good advice!


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One problem I notice though, is that the compost has a lot of large "particles" in it, pieces of wood and so forth,

Well sorry my fault I should have said SCREENED COMPOST. Too late now. For now raise the cutting height up until you start seeing big improvement. This will help conserve water. It maybe next season before you can go low again. Right now you are in rehab mode, so do not push too hard.

Once you start seeing some good growth and the weather cools a bit hit it with fertilizer. One step at a time. Me thinks by the end of the growing season you will be proud. Next season you will be the envy of the neighborhood.

Keep in mind compost is just a temporary thing and will all be gone in a year or less as it decomposes. Shop around and see if you can find PEAT, not Peat Moss but PEAT and use it to top dress with every few months. Peat really holds the water and is already decomposed OM so it stays around and will build up tilth to the sand and help it hold water and nutrients.


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Hi guys, just wanted to post a photo showing progress so far.

The green areas are looking better and better, the brown areas are starting to turn green, and the dead areas now have little shoots popping up here and there. Thanks to your help, I am optimistic about this.


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