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Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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Thu, Jul 12, 12 at 17:29
| Hi guys,
Still no growth on the newly seeded bermuda yet (5 days). Right on the edge of my lawn on the pathway to the front door, I noticed (got stung) that some yellow jackets have taken up residence in some kind of ornamental grass/weed that the previous homeowner had taken a liking too, so I have two questions for you guys:
1. What are these weeds/grasses, is it spreading by the root system into the garden area?
2. How should I go about killing these yellow jackets that fly in and out of that hole in the first picture here (void towards center)?
Thanks! |
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RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| Here's a shot further out: |

RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| Always in the garden, takes about a week to grow back after round-up. Have been battling it all year (since we moved in(. |

RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| Here's a close up. Is this nutsedge? Should I be worried about it spreading into the bermuda? |

RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| It will survive the bermuda. I have a bunch in the back. You don't have much so I would pull it by hand. I'm going to hit mine with Celsius tomorrow. |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| That looks like Liriope to me. It's an ornamental grass. I have it bordering several of my flower beds. Bottom pics are nutsedge. Don't both with RU on the nutsedge, get some SedgeHammer and be done with it. Pulling it only makes it multiply unless you get down to the roots and get ALL the nuts when you pull it. You can buy wasp/stinging insect spray that will let you hit that hole while standing back 6 or 8 feet. |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| Sorry to hear you got stung. I was stung once or twice before I was 8, but have been lucky enough to not get stung since. They weren't Yellow Jackets though. I've got some Dutch White Clover in my backyard that the Yellow Jackets love and they seem to leave me alone. Bees pollinate my long squash, and I believe, eggplants too. If you think you can live harmoniously with the bees, why not try that instead of killing them? So many bees have died in recent years from colony collapse. Maybe you can instruct your family to avoid the door to the bee house. This is just a suggestion of course. You know if your bees pose a serious hazard or not. |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| These aren't the good bees, they're yellowjacket wasps, not sure if they actually pollinate? Either way, this is the entryway to the path to the front door from the driveway, where I was standing when I got stung. I had just turned on the sprinkler and I think some drops hit them and pissed them off. They're all dead as soon as I get my hands on a can of spray, my shoulder is still swollen. I wonder how many stings I'll get while spraying... I'll wear running shoes. The other problem might be how extensive the network is underground... A few weeks ago I was trying to rake out the dead clumps of fescue in the vacinity and got swarmed by 3-5 of them, but got away with only a partial sting on my hand. |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| Back to the Liriope, is it common for several clumps to form in the yard? Is it possible to confuse it with nutsedge? The clumps I found after spraying roundup seemed thicker at the base than the nutsedge in the garden area. |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| Sorry to hear about your swollen shoulder. I hope it improves soon. I thought these were run-of-the-mill Yellow Jacket bees, but you've now mentioned that they're not in your last post. I'm sure I'd feel the same way as you if these buzzers were attacking me and/or loved ones. |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| Liriope is not an aggressive plant. It grows in clumps and the clumps will get larger. I don't think you'll see a new plant spring up several feet from the parent plant. Liriope needs very little attention. It is mostly used as a border plant along sidewalks and flower beds. It spreads slowly and once ever 4 or 5 years, I might have the need to get a shovel and dig it out a little. That's only because I want it to look like a nice neat border instead of a ground cover. I suppose that nutsedge could appear to be a very small liriope plant. It's just that the smallest liriope I've ever seen is in flats at the nursery. If it's in your lawn, I'm sure you are seeing nutsedge. I'm constantly fighting nutsedge. I can eradicate it from my property but it only takes one neighbor to let it go to seed and I'll have it again. SedgeHammer and Image are staples in my arsenal and I much prefer the SedgeHammer. |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| You should also give consideration to the idea that the vegetation in the bottom photo could be green kyllinga. Nutsedge and green kyllinga are very similar in appearance. Nutsedges can be identified by the presence of a triangular stem. There are two types of nutsedge: yellow nutsedge and purple nutsedge. You should Google the terms "nutsedge" and "green kyllinga", and determine what you have. Left unchecked, all can become difficult to control. Sedgehammer will control nutsedge, but will only supress green kyllinga. You will also need to use a nonionic surfactant with the Sedgehammer in order for it to be fully effective. |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| How not to take care of the stinging problem. Several decades ago when my daughters were young, I found the wasps that live in tunnels under the ground. I was mowing and saw them coming out of the ground. Over the next several trips around the yard I realized I had to do something as at any given time in addition to my daughters, there were five or six additional children of the same age in the yard. My solutions was to dump a quart of gasoline down the hole. After dumping the gas I finished the yard, and went back to check the hole. One wasp came out while standing there. The next step was obvious. I went into the garage and got a newspaper and folded it into a long match and light the hole. Fire came out of several other holes around the lawn. Fortunately none was near anything flammable. I did get rid of the wasp, but have wondered ever since, what I would have told the insurance company it I have not been so lucky. |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| Nearandwest has a good point. Thankfully, I've never seen green kyllinga. Nutsedge will have white roots with tubers or "nuts" on them. Green kyllinga doesn't have the nuts. If the soil is loose enough, you'll easily see the nuts when you pull it. Where you see six or eight nutsedge plants, they'll have an interconnected root system with the plants growing up from the nuts. That's why it's nearly impossible to pull the stuff. You have to get every last nut or it reappears, and produces more nuts. Don't bother with RU. All it does is burn the tops which, in turn, stimulates all those nuts to spring out with a new plant. |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| Yellow Jackets are social wasp and pretty easy to eliminate, but you have to find the nest. They do use underground rodent burrows to nest in from time to time. If they are using an underground nest is a dead giveaway they are the Western Yellow Jacket and are extremely aggressive and will defend their nest to the death. FWIW they are meet eaters and like to show up around garbage cans and picnics. Locate the nest entrance and hit it with a Wasp-Hornet spray. The Wasp Hornet sprays are pretty safe in general as the better ones use Pyrethrin a organic herbicide made from Daisies. Go to WallMart and buy a can of Spectracide Commercial Wasp and Hornet Spray. |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| Thanks for the tips guys! Last night I tried emptying a bottle of wasp spray in the hole, pissed them off royally. Luckily I got away with no stings. They were hovering around the hole for a while afterwards though. I'll try another one today! |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| A bottle? Does that mean a can? You should not have to get real close. Try this. Do it right at dusk or just after dark when all the wasp are in the nest for the night. They will not be able to escape, and you will kill all of them. |
RE: Weeds or ornamentals Bordering Bermuda? And Yellowjackets!!
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| I tired another one before reading your post. I haven't seen any for about 4 hours now. Maybe I got them! Regarding the nutsedge, I got curious what the nuts were so I started ripping up some of them, finally I found these dark brown spheres that look like the ones found here: http://ucanr.org/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=6317 Nutsedge! |
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