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| I'm currently getting ready for fall lawn maintenance. My lawn is split down the middle by my driveway. On one side is an existing lawn that needs work, and the other side is just soil where I'll be planting from seed.
The existing lawn has some spots that need attention and I'm adding compost and peat moss, tilling it in. My question is will my lawn look uneven with patches of it being torn up where new grass will grow next to the existing grass? Also, I'll be renting a slice seeder. If I use it over my existing lawn, does it really tear it up? Should I just use it on the side with just soil? Aerate both sides, right? Thanks again, great ideas here. |
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- Posted by dchall_san_antonio 8 San Antonio (My Page) on Sat, Aug 6, 11 at 23:55
| You don't need to aerate and you definitely don't need to rototill and please do not rototill in compost and/or peat moss. What is the problem with the existing grass? What do you mean 'needs some attention?' Generally what makes a lawn look uneven after repairs is using different seed for the repair from the grass you already have growing. What kind of grass do you have? |
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| My existing grass has some bald spots, clay soil, nutsedge, and I had some loom spread to fill a large low area that was on the sandy side and spring seeding it resulted in mostly crabgrass. My grass is a typical New England mix of fescue, bluegrass, ryegrass, etc. I water it every other morning for 20 minutes and it gets a little more than 1" per week. I mow it at the highest possible setting, but because I'm on a slope, some spots are lower than others. I've been doing a lot of reading and researching about soil lately and you're the first one to suggest NOT aerating or adding compost or peat moss. I understand that you may have a system that works for you, but I don't think that it works for everyone. Your advice seem to be left of center for someone like me looking for general suggestions. I appreciate your advice, but can you dumb it down a bit, or maybe someone else here could respond? Thanks! |
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- Posted by dchall_san_antonio 8 San Antonio (My Page) on Sun, Aug 7, 11 at 18:47
| Sure Dan. I don't know if this is dumbing it down it but I am at least trying to explain myself. The system I use and talk about is one I learned from reading this forum since 2001 and from other forums where I both participate and/or moderate. I try to continue the lessons I have learned here for those of y'all coming along since the people I consider to be the real gurus left. A couple of them are still around. Look for TexasWeed, Billl, MorpheusPA, bpgreen, and Andy(with some numbers after his name). Some of the other old coots have been banned from these forums, so you won't see them. Newer gurus include rdaystrom, nearandwest, and a couple others I will offend because I cannot remember them right at the moment. These people bring a lot of personal experience to the forums that none of us can possibly have gathered individually. We do not always agree but we all respect each others experience and suggestions...well except for me and rdaystrom - we barely tolerate each other, snicker, snicker. Here is what I think I see. Filling in the low spot was an important part of any success you have had this year. Unfortunately you seeded in the spring. Spring seeding always leads to crabgrass. We tell people this every spring. I don't remember if you were here in the spring or not, but we would have said the same thing. Spring seeded grass plants have trouble during a normal summer. This summer has been horrendous. Crabgrass; however, is a heat loving grass. This is not a major surprise to those of use who read here. It is also not a reason to fret too much. The solution is not that hard. Mowing high is another leg in your success. Tall grass makes it harder for weeds to get started. You are watering too frequently. Established lawn grass can almost always go for a full week before needing water (as rdaystrom will be the first to tell you, this year is an exception to that rule). Now while the grass can go a week, grass seeds must be kept moist in order to germinate. That goes for weed seeds, too. Crabgrass seed needs to be kept moist for a few days to germinate. When you water every other day, that is just about perfect for crabgrass seed. If there has been no other lesson learned from the Internet grass forums it is that infrequent watering is the best method. Infrequent means watering once a month during the cool months and gradually changing to once a week in the hottest part of summer. The amount that YOU water will depend on your soil type (sand versus clay), soil condition (organic matter), grass type, grass condition, mowing height and frequency, shade from trees, shade from clouds, humidity, temperature, and wind. I realize that is a lot of factors to hit you with but there they are. When you water less often the surface of the soil will completely dry out between watering. That dryness at the surface is what prevents weeds from germinating. Keep an eye on the grass to tell you when to water. If the grass dries up faster than a week, then water immediately and water longer the next time. Avoid runoff by stopping the instant you see runoff and let the soil soak up what water is there. Then return to water again after 15-30 minutes. Nutsedge is a swamp grass. It indicates clearly that your soil is too moist. There are many reasons for nutgrass to get enough water, but usually it is due to poor drainage. Couple that with too much moisture and you get swampy conditions that promote the nutgrass. If you have low spots in the yard or spots where the soil does not drain well, that is where the nutgrass will start. Weeds love to move into thin grass. Dense grass will keep the weeds out without doing much of anything else. Of the grasses you have, the Kentucky bluegrass is the only one that will become dense by itself. But it will not thrive in the shade. Shady areas are where you will only have fescue and rye growing. Fescue must be reseeded in the fall to keep it dense enough for weed control. Why do I suggest not rototilling? Why do I suggest not rototilling in compost and peat moss? Why do I suggest not aerating? I realize I am the only one suggesting to not rototill compost and aerate. I think for the homeowner you don't have to and they are even detrimental. Obviously I can't come through the screen and stop you from doing it. All I can do is explain what I think are good reasons. Also I should point out that your opinion is exactly the same as mine was back in 2001 when I first found this forum. In fact I have argued for rototilling, composting, and aerating. Yet I have been convinced otherwise from the experience of others. One of my experiences from reading the forums has been to unlearn a lot of what I thought I knew about lawn care. Some of the gurus I mentioned above will have different opinions. Be sure to read anything they have to say on the topic and decide for yourself. |
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| Dchall...I like the way you think. I wish I could explain myself that well. You think like a plantsman. |
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- Posted by dchall_san_antonio 8 San Antonio (My Page) on Tue, Aug 9, 11 at 1:33
| Hi John. Most of this is not my thinking but the thinking of many nameless individuals who came before me. I'll always remember whatshisname from Phoenix; whatshername from Vancouver; whatshisname from Lake Scogog; whatshisname who stood on his bermuda, not in it; and whatshisname from Ontario. I happen to be the guy who forgot to leave the party. |
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