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| I installed marathon sod a month ago and followed the watering and care guide they left me. I am getting die off of parts of the lawn. the grass blades in the affected area become thin and darker and then turn brown. I am having trouble identifying what this is. I applied a fungicide 2 weeks ago and am ready to try again. I am watering several times a week to about 4 inches in the morning as the grass blades have brown spots on them as well as some very dark spots. |
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- Posted by warrentaylor none (My Page) on Sun, Aug 19, 12 at 19:31
| Here is a closeup. the sample of the left is from a more healthy part of the lawn and the sample on the right is from the trouble area. |
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- Posted by warrentaylor none (My Page) on Sun, Aug 19, 12 at 19:32
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| If the grass turns blackish and looks greasy, it's probably pythium blight. Brown patch is a common tall fescue disease, but that usually presents as patches and rings where the grass turns brown and dried out looking. What fungicide did you apply? Most of them are ineffective against pythium. Heritage or Heritage G is one of the best one non pros can buy and it will take care of pythium as well as most common turf diseases. |
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- Posted by warrentaylor none (My Page) on Mon, Aug 20, 12 at 10:09
| I tried the only thing available from the big box store. A spectricide product and it does not list pythium blight as infections that it treats. I'll try the Heritage but, wow, is it ever pricey! |
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| Yup, 80 bucks a 30 lb bag, but you only use 4 lbs per 1000 square feet for the curative rate. Lesco/John Deere Landscapes usually has it. |
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- Posted by warrentaylor none (My Page) on Tue, Aug 21, 12 at 16:28
| I have been reading up on this and this is a particularly nasty lawn disease. I also will likely need to retreat with a different chemical after several weeks to prevent the fungus from becoming resistant. Out of the list of chemicals I can actually get my hands on, the next cheapest is $140 a gallon. Some are as high as $600 a gallon. Not only that, I am going to need to wear gloves and, at least, an n95 mask so I don't inhale the stuff. Holy Moly!!!! |
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- Posted by nearandwest 7 (My Page) on Tue, Aug 21, 12 at 17:53
| I can understand how someone might think this could be a turf disease, but have you tried to probe underneath the affected areas to see if the soil is powder dry or rock hard? These areas could be repelling water, and it could just be a matter of being a hydrophobic soil. If it is hydrophobic, then a wetting agent (or the generic baby shampoo remedy) may be needed. Take a screw driver and/or a soil probe and see if you can push it into the soil to a depth of 4-6 inches under these affected areas. Then report back here. |
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- Posted by warrentaylor Southern CA. (My Page) on Wed, Aug 29, 12 at 17:00
| I don't see any difference between affected and unaffected areas. I can probe to 3-4" no problem when dry and further when wet. I also thought there might be issues with the soil but take a look at this picture. I can see brown streaks in the affected area as if I'm spreading something with the mower wheels. I applied Heritage G yesterday (took a week to arrive) and I'm waiting to see what that does. |
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- Posted by Ibanez540r none (My Page) on Wed, Aug 29, 12 at 17:46
| Does no one else see an issue with watering 4 inches a week? |
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- Posted by nearandwest 7 (My Page) on Wed, Aug 29, 12 at 23:34
| "Does no one else see an issue with watering 4 inches a week?" That is not how I read it in the original post. I read it as the OP watering to a soil depth of 4 inches, not applying a total of 4 inches of water. But I could be wrong. I do know this. If that were pythium, more of the lawn would have been affected by now. Especially since a mower has been pushed across the area. It doesn't appear that the affected area has spread much more from the original photo. If that is indeed pythium, then consider yourself very fortunate that the disease didn't spread as rapidly as it usually does. |
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- Posted by texas-weed 7A (My Page) on Wed, Aug 29, 12 at 23:59
| Well I can tell you what I see. Drowned grass. Bet you money that is a low spot and yu way over water your yard. |
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- Posted by warrentaylor So Cal (My Page) on Thu, Aug 30, 12 at 11:14
| No, I'm not overwatering. the 3-4" is how far I can drive a screwdriver into the soil as per the test previously requested. I water 30 minutes in the morning about 3 times a week because its summer and we're in a heat wave. We've also been experience very high humidity and when this started, it did not get cold at night. Perfect fungus conditions.....just sayin. I've also got the same thing in another, higher, part of the yard not seen in the pic. That wouldn't explain the streaking either. |
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- Posted by warrentaylor 10b (My Page) on Thu, Aug 30, 12 at 13:33
| This seems applicable: Leaf spot is a summer disease caused by (Drechslera poae) which can be caused by improper and excessive irrigation during warm night time temperatures. Leaf spot spores can infect susceptible turf roots and cause turf loss. Proper turf management using timed release fertilizers and properly timed irrigation. If a fungicide is needed the best fungicides used to manage this disease are the strobilurin fungicides such as Heritage. Jeff Brennan, PhD |
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- Posted by warrentaylor 10b (My Page) on Fri, Aug 31, 12 at 19:00
| I never watered at night but we've been having very hot monsoon type weather here for the past month. So bad that the humidity and heat were high enough such that the grass never dried out and nighttime temperatures stayed above 70F. Heavy dew on the lawn in the mornings too. The watering schedule they left me is now 2-3 times a week for 30 minutes in the morning. Hopefully the Heritage will knock this out and the better watering schedule will also help. I'll post pics in 2 weeks but I'm assuming I'll be seeding pretty soon for the dead spots. |
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| For starters, talking about watering in minutes is wrong. To see how much water you apply has to be measured not timed. Pressure of system, number of heads per zone, hose diameter and type of sprinkler heads are all key factors. I have to water for 45 minutes to get one half inch of water where my neighbor can achieve this in 6 minutes on his. Put out empty tuna cans on your lawn in different spots, then water your lawn and measure the water in the tuna can...then you can get a good feel for how much water you are applying in 30 minutes. |
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- Posted by warrentaylor 10b (My Page) on Tue, Sep 4, 12 at 14:03
| OK. I'll do that. What do you think about the leaf spot diagnosis? I've not seen any further melting out since I applied the Heritage so I might be on the right track. Also, is reseeding the dead areas the right next step? When should I do that? I was going to let it cool down a little first, which should be in a couple of weeks. I was planning on just dragging a rake across the dead areas to clean it up a little and then lay down seed and topper on that. I'd have to water at least a couple time a day in those spots until I see new growth (I think), then just go back to twice a week (or target inches). Does this sound correct? |
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- Posted by nearandwest 7 (My Page) on Wed, Sep 5, 12 at 1:24
| I would suggest that you give it a little time and see how the turf responds to the Heritage treatment. If you want to make sure you are getting optimum control for disease pressure, you should consider making a second application of Heritage 14 days after the first application (that would be early next week). Then by the third week in Sept. you should be able to see if you are getting any re-growth in the affected areas. If you don't see any new green shoots appearing in those affected areas, then you could consider re-seeding. Why re-seed if it can grow back on its own? |
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- Posted by warrentaylor 10b (My Page) on Thu, Sep 6, 12 at 14:07
| That makes sense. I was going to switch fungicide to prevent the fungus from developing any immunity. Others have regretted using it twice. I'll probably give it at least 2 more weeks from this 2nd application...not sure. I wrote the following up before I saw your post... Upon further investigation, the University of Nevada has this to say: Drechslera poae, which affects cool-season turfgrasses (bluegrasses, ryegrasses, bentgrasses, fescues, etc.) and bermudagrasses, causes leaf spots, the early phase of the disease, which then progresses to the melting-out phase with complete death of the plant. The leaf spot phase occurs during the cool, wet weather of spring and late fall. Bipolaris sorokiniana leaf spot looks similar to Drechslera poae disease, but it is more common during the summer or hot weather. Cultural Control Avoid excessive nitrogen fertilization in spring to reduce abundant, lush growth, which is susceptible to an attack by melting-out organisms. The total amount of fertilizer used annually should be divided between applications in the spring and fall. Having well-balanced fertilization will help control the disease. Daily irrigation of 0.10 to 0.20 of an inch in summer and less in spring and fall reduces the severity of melting-out. Do not let the plants become stressed for moisture What to do? Clearly I have Bipolaris sorokiniana as this all started during very unusual hot and humid weather over a 4 week period. That, along with the recommended watering schedule left by the sod farm, resulted in this disease in my lawn. Since I haven't really heard much about how to remedy this I will follow UofN recommendations even though I'm in Calif. Other information I do have a sandy soil that appears to be kind of hard packed even though I did add amendments before laying the sod. It may be that I did not add enough. I think in my case I may have to rent an aerator and fill with compost. I am not sure when I should do that though so if anyone has any recommendations please let them fly. The daily light watering might do the trick. I can�t do anything else about drainage because I�ve got a patio slab between the turf and the only exit point from the yard but don�t think I need to. This soil has the capacity to absorb a lot of water before it pools on the surface (sandy). If I get a real heavy rain then I�ll probably be in trouble. Our annual rainfall is usually < 14 inches so I can hope. The slab was slanted toward that exit point for drainage when I had it poured but it hasn�t rained since then so I don't know how well it will drain off. |
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- Posted by dchall_san_antonio 8 San Antonio (My Page) on Thu, Sep 6, 12 at 21:45
| Where are you in California? I'm guessing SoCal because of the lot size and fence appearance. I don't need the street name, but the community name can be very important. If you live on a hill, what direction do you face? Based on your pictures I'm guessing you face east or west and there are no hills around. If you are west of I-110, then are you west of the 410, Aviation, or PCH? If you are out beyond Riverside or Redlands, that is really important to know. SoCal, if that's where you are, is full of microclimates. You don't need to soften your soil. Your screwdriver test answers that question. Three inches is good enough. Most people with hard soil cannot penetrate 1/2 inch. You really do need to measure your sprinkler output. If you are putting out an inch, 3x per week, you are waaaaay over watering. It should be getting an inch per week, all at one time. Depending on your location, it might be much (much) less often than weekly. If you are going to apply two rounds of different fungicides, I would also suggest coming back in a month or two with some compost. The app rate for compost is no more than 1 cubic yard per 1,000 square feet. Sweep that in with a push broom to get the grass blades up above the compost. Any grass that is buried in compost will die. The reason for this is your soil needs a huge population of beneficial fungi to be healthy. Spraying the fungicides sort of wipes out the most important part of the soil. Compost will start to restore it. Using organic fertilizer occasionally will fully restore it faster than anything else you can do. |
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