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Help!!

Posted by LawnLoser 7a (My Page) on
Sun, Sep 9, 12 at 15:42

Ok, as the user name denotes.. I, am a lawn loser. A killer of lawns. A decimater of vegitation. A total and utter brown thumb. I don't know what to do or when to do it. I dont even understand the terminology needed. When I bought my house I thought i could handle the lawn work. i can't and its dead. Well thats not exactly true, its alive but all weeds. I had a BUMPER crop of clover this year which makes a fine salad but a piss poor lawn and an even worse eyesore. i actually saw my neighbors looking at my lawn and shaking their heads. So here's the scoop. Front lawn: mostly weeds. What are the options? Roundup the messy abomination? Try to scatter seeds? I just don't know. Back lawn: sodded in early spring, and provided a feast to all the grubs. Totally lush and wonderful till the grubs got the 2 for 1 coupons and ate me out of business. The side lawn: was a plethora of yellow dandelions which my kids loved (heh heh) now I just chopped up all the weeds turned some dirt over and found guess what? GRUBS. I need some serious advice. Am I going to be able to fix this this? the only thing my lawn guy does is cut grass, he's not really a lawn guy. I am currently sending a soil sample to Rutgers for analysis. I figured it cant hurt and its only 20 bucks. My neighbor was a lawn fanatic and used to give me some advice that worked for a while but he moved away. I'm in North Jersey so its still quite warm here for a little while any way. Like the title says.. HELP!!


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Hi, it sounds like you're an earnest seeker of Lawn Truth. You also appear to have a deep, deep thirst for lawn knowledge. So I'll recommend you read David Mellor's good book called The Lawn Bible and Paul Tukey's Organic Lawn Care Manual.

I'm sure you know there's no substitute for book learning. It complements experIENtial learning (or learning from experience), and experiential learning complements book learning. They're really both needed to make inroads into having a healthy beautiful lawn that your neighbors will admire, and not shake their heads at [chuckle]. I loved your story :-)


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Im glad I could provide some entertainment :-) I got a look at the book by Mellor you mentioned and it seems chock full of the knowledge I'm looking for. But its going to take a while to plow through that. Can this lawn be rescued this season? Or at least started and continued in the spring?


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Sure, you can start improving your lawn this season if you want. You don't have to wait until next spring.

How many grubs per square foot do you see? They're not a problem unless they reach 6 grubs or more per square foot.


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Hmmmm, I just went out and counted exactly six. (Though the birds seem to be on my side. Every so often I see one swoop down and grab one.) In any case, little curly hideous things. I thought they only developed in the spring.


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Culling info from Tukey and Mellor -- late winter and spring are the prime times for grubs. Early fall is possible too. Although this is technically still summer, it can be thought of as early fall too (just 2 weeks away).

Beneficial Nematodes would be an organic method to control grubs. Carbaryl compounds sold as name brands like Sevin, can be a non-organic, synthetic, chemical means. I'd try to learn as much as possible about both methods before choosing to go organic or artificial. I've been lucky enough to never have a grub prolem, so I'll pass the baton off to others, especially those who may have actually fought grubs on their lawn, and can tell us firsthand what they think of the organic or synthetic method they tried. Synthetic chemicals can take a severe toll on your grass and soil organisms, so you gotta be really careful with them. "Doctor we cured the disease, but the patient is dead."

You also wanna be really sure what the problem is: grubs and not something else.


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Milky spore is the long term answer to grubs. Read up on it.


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I've tried milky spore and it didn't help. I'm sure it works great for others. Just not me. Merit is the only thing that has worked for me. It's essentially nicotene. The stuff found in tobacco leaves.

You may want to consider hiring a professional. Some of them really know their stuff and produce good results.


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I'm not sure where 6 grubs per square foot came from. We've always talked about 12 being the point where you should worry.

Yes you can fix this but, because it is all weeds, it will require a full renovation. Start with a power rake or slit seeder to chop out all the vegetation. Rake or blow that into your compost pile. Then scatter seed, roll the seed down, and start watering 3x per day, 5-15 minutes each time, every day, for 2-3 weeks depending on what seed you planted. The idea would be to only moisten the seeds at the surface. Do not drench the soil. Fescue would be 2 weeks and Kentucky bluegrass would be 3 weeks. After you have about 80% germination, start to back off on watering frequency and go a little longer duration. Eventually you want to be applying 1 inch all at one time. By the time you get there, it will be cool enough that you should only be watering monthly. Mow when the grass is tall enough to mow - about 4 -5 inches. Mow toward the high side. I like it all the way up, but others like it more in the middle. Fertilize with starter when you start. Fertilize again with a winterizer about Thanksgiving. In the spring, wait until May to fertilize. It will be tempting to push that up earlier, because you'll see a lot of advertising. Close your eyes and wait.

If you want to apply a preemergent weed control, do that after the soil temp reaches 50 degrees F and immediately after the spring rains. If you see forsythia blooming, you need to do it immediately. Resist applying fertilizer.

Never use weed n feed products. Fertilize with fertilizer and kill weeds with herbicides. They don't mix.


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Dchall_san_antonio wrote:
> I'm not sure where 6 grubs per square foot came from. We've always talked about 12 being the point where you should worry.

Six grubs per square foot comes from David Mellor's book The Lawn Bible:

He writes "If there is an average of six or more grubs per square foot present, it's time for a treatment."


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I knew that was coming. I wonder where he got that information. For the 10 years I've been hanging out here, 12 has always been the magic number out here in Internetland.


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