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Fri, Sep 4, 09 at 21:39
| I know i posted something about this before but i can't find it. anyway i just put down tifway 419. I gotta few questions. I didn't really get the ground level enough so it is kinda wavy looking top dress with sand in spring? Also what do i need to do fertilizer wise after it gets rooted down and how much should i be watering it now? And how long does it taked to root down it actually kinda browning around the edges right now.
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| I didn't really get the ground level enough so it is kinda wavy looking top dress with sand in spring? Well you can certainly that, but if you were watering enough you could use a roller to get it somewhat flat. Also what do i need to do fertilizer wise after it gets rooted You fertilize every 30 days, see the BERMUDA BIBLE. how much should i be watering it now? Several times a day to keep the area very wet to the point of being soggy. It is almost impossible to over water. Just do not let puddles form to sit there over night. |
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| TW-shouldn't the op use some starter fertilizer now to help the rooting process? You will regret not getting the area very flat before you laid sod. It takes a ton of effort and sand to do it later. It's difficult to cut bermuda properly (under 1") with a reel mower, if it is bumpy. I struggle with this now. When I renovated another area this year, I followed TW's advice and had someone grade the area with a tractor and box blade. It is nice and flat compared to where we previously used a skid steer on other sections. |
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| TW-shouldn't the op use some starter fertilizer now to help the rooting process? A little late for that now, that should be done just before laying the sod, besides it is not really needed for sod. Not sure where the OP lives or when the first frost is due, but applying a 3-1-2 or 4-1-2 ratio fertilizer 30 days before the first frost would be a good idea. The main problem I am hearing right now is the OP has not properly watered his sod because he/she said it was turning brown around the edges. That tells me it is not being watered and probable was not rolled when laid. |
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| i am not sure what an op is? I am not saying i am a pro sod layer or grass grower by any means. I just wanted a nice yard for my family. All i got when i seeded fescue was about half grass half dead spots then the rest filled in with weeds and i tried it twice so i decided to lay sod. I was just wanting some general info on what to do to keep it alive and looking decent bc i am sick of having a mud yard. And yes i did rent a roller and roll it after i laid it. If it helps i will go over my whole process: First i tilled up the whole hard with a tractor with a roto tiller. I got it as deep as i could about 5 inches. I was gonna put down starter fertlizer but i was worried bc i have already put down so much fertilizer before trying to get my fescue to live. My ph is at 5.4. Anyway, after i tilled i rolled and raked, rolled and raked etc. I tried and tried to get if level but i did the best i could. After that i laid the sod. then i rolled the sod. I also kept the ground moist while laying ( clay soil? all red in upstate sc). I have been watering the best i can i have been keeping it wet at all times. And yes it is brownig around edges and looks lumpy so any suggestions on what i can do will be appreciated thanks |
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| "i am not sure what an op is? " OP is Original Poster (that's you). "I am not saying i am a pro sod layer or grass grower by any means." Texas Weed is. He's an expert when it comes to warm season grasses (especially Bermuda). If you read and follow his Bermuda Bible, you're almost sure to have a great looking lawn. If you google Bermuda Bible, you should be able to find it in the first couple of links. |
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| My ph is at 5.4. That is a huge problem and needs addressed immediately. It will be a huge task as it will take 100 pounds of lime per 1000/ft2 applied in two applications two weeks apart. This is the likely reason your earlier attempts failed, and likely to do you in again if not taken care of. And the bad news does not stop there. Your soil is naturally acidic, and will be life long battle to combat every year with lime applications. Or you could wait till next summer when the Bermuda dies and plant Centipede as a 5.5 PH is ideal for centipede. |
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A little more bad news.........tilling was not a good idea. I know from experience that getting it smooth after tilling is gonna take some time. Jon |
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| A little more bad news.........tilling was not a good idea. A little late for that and is why I did not mention it. The idea solution would be a tractor and box blade to re-grade the area, but too late for that now. If you think it is bumpy now, wait till next spring once the soil settles. |
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| I tilled bc everything a read on the internet said that before planting bermuda sod till to a depth of about 4 inches. My ground is really really hard that is why i did it too. And i also asked the people i bought the sod from about the lime issue and he said to add lime in the spring, or should i do it now? All of my neighbors have the sod too the contractors laid it. At all there houses they put down mulch first then plowed a couple of weeks later. All of their yards are looking pretty good and I know for a fact they didn't put any fertilizer or lime and they were done last year during the summer and they all survived through this summer. And none of them ever water it. That does stink about the box blade though i believe they used one on at least one of the houses near me but i didnt have access to one o well. I can take a pic, do i just put it one photo bucked then post it below where i am typing in the op. link url box? |
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| texasweed: you said i need put down 100# of lime per 1000 square feet can i just do this now? or do i need to wait til fall. and also you suggested some fertilizers but i am having a hard time finding the ones you said, could i just put 25 pounds of 10-10-10 since 2500 hundred sq. ft. and 100/10 is 10 so 10# of nitrogen per 1000 sq. ft. and can i put it now since the sod is now rooted? |
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| Keith lime is best used in the fall as the grass goes dormant. Lime can and will burn grass, so whoever told you spring does not know a lot about correcting PH, unless they meant early spring before the grass greens up. For a Bermuda or other warm season grass I suggest starting in late Fall after the grass shows signs of going dormant, or waiting until it has gone dormant. To your fertilizer issue I hesitate to answer because I have no idea of what your soil needs. 3-1-2 and 4-1-2 ratios are considered Mother Natures natural balance and recommended in lieu of a soil test which will give you exact ratios. I am comfortable in telling you 10-10-10 (1-1-1 ratio) is not a good choice. If you applied 10 pounds of product per 1000/ft2 to get 1 pound of nitrogen, you will likely be applying way to much phosphorus and potassium. If you live in a city, you should have a Lesco dealer which has 3-1-2 and 4-1-2 ratio fertilizer. You can even check the Orange box store because in most areas they carry Lesco 15-5-10 (3-1-2). However keep this in mind; you only need one application of a balanced fertilizer per year either the last application in fall or the first application in spring. For every other monthly feeding use a straight nitrogen like a slow release 39-0-0. |
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| Keith, dont panic, those brown edges are not uncommon with newly laid sod. It could have been laid tighter but keep the water coming, add the lime and those edges will be a non issue next season. Those little baby bumps will also have a way a leveling themselves out over time, especially if you roll it after a good rainfall occasionally. |
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| wrager said, When I renovated another area this year, I followed TW's advice and had someone grade the area with a tractor and box blade. It is nice and flat compared to where we previously used a skid steer on other sections. YES! I say this all the time. A skidsteer or a bobcat is NOT the tool to level soil. You need a tractor and box blade. Hopefully someone will learn from your suffering. But back to keithj, he used a tractor with a rototiller. If I had my druthers, I'd much rather see that tool used than a hand held rototiller. At least the tractor doesn't go bucking around the yard like the hand held. It looks like he did the best with what he had to work with. keithj said, I didn't really get the ground level enough so it is kinda wavy looking top dress with sand in spring? No, not in the spring. Wait until mid to late June before tackling the leveling project. You have a window when the summer is at peak heat to do it. The grass has to be growing well and have at least a month of heat left afterwards to recover from the process. It can be done but it is probably not the process you are thinking of. Come back next June to remind us and we can talk about it. To get a head start on the process you can search this forum for dproudx and see how he did it. There are some specific tricks he used that make it successful. trplay said, don't panic. That's right. All you need is one strand of bermuda to survive and next summer you will have a full bermuda lawn. The bumps will settle for three years. In the mean time you have to deal with scalping with the mower. You can level it next summer and it will continue to settle but you might be able to deal with that later. |
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| ok, so i bought 16-4-8 i finally found some at a farm supply store, anyway how much of this should i put for 2500 sq. ft.? I am a little confused. also here is my sample: pH 5.4 Buffer pH 7.55 Phosphorus (P) 60 lbs/acre Potassium (K) 136 lbs/acre Calcium (Ca) 867 lbs/acre Magnesium (Mg) 99 lbs/acre Zinc (Zn) 3.7 lbs/acre Manganese (Mn) 13 lbs/acre Boron (B) 0.1 lbs/acre Copper (Cu) 1 lbs/acre Sodium (Na) 20 lbs/acre |
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| ok, so i bought 16-4-8 i finally found some at a farm supply store, anyway how much of this should i put for 2500 sq. ft.? I am a little confused. Ok the key is the first number of 16. You want to apply 1-pound of nitrogen per 1000/ft2. So the amount of product per 1000/ft2 = 100/16 = 6.25 pounds/1000/ft2. So for 2500/ft2 = 6.25 x 2.5 = 12.5 pounds of product for 2500/ft2 |
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| ok i am back with another question, i am about to do with back yard now with bermuda sod also. yal were saying to use a box blade to get the ground level instead of a tiller. My question is: should i just use a box blade only or should i till then use the box blade after? right now the ground is just some scragaly weeds. |
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| oh and also the sod is dormant do you still have to water it alot |
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| No reason to til, just use the box blade. If the ground is dry, by all means water. |
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| Here is the best picture I've ever seen of finish grading being done with a box blade.
Notice the perfectly smooth surface behind the tractor. Actually that pic looks like his last pass across the yard. That yard might have been a lawn 2 hours prior to that picture. Without doing anything except running the blade, it resurfaces the area leaving it ready for seed or sod. That picture is also a great place to notice the differences between the tractor and the bobcat-like machine. Notice the longer wheel base on the tractor. Notice also the longer body of the tractor and the relatively low position of the center of gravity. All these design elements combine to make the tractor a much more stable platform from which to run the blade. If the surface was rough at all, the small wheels of the bobcat will roll up and down in them causing it to buck and gouge its way across the yard. Whereas the large wheel of the tractor will roll over the bumps making for a much smoother ride producing a smoother surface on each pass. That Ford rig with the wide blade is very popular for high production, finish grading. |
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| David note the scafiers on the box blade. (Scafiers = Those big steel teeth digging in the soil) |
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| .... and also notice the weight of the rig with driver too, but the weight is spread out (bridge factor) due to the wheelbase. When people state that using a water filled roller can or will cause soil compaction, I honestly can't see how, when my body weight in my every step far exceeds the weight per square inch that is spread out from the roller. |
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| I honestly can't see how, when my body weight in my every step far exceeds the weight per square inch that is spread out from the roller. That is easy. Heck you can pick up you car with your breath and lung power. All you need is 3 pounds or less of weight to pick up you car. |
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| >" All you need is 3 pounds or less of weight to pick up you car." T Dub, I haul cars for a livin'. I pick up cars all day long. 3 pounds less is only one less buffet at the truck stop ... and I can't do that! |
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| Gary i think you misunderstood what I meant. If you place an airbag under a car say 12 feet in length, 5 feet in length, and the car weighs 3000 pounds, all you need is about 0.3 PSI to lift it up. Your lungs can do that. |
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| sorry for bringin up my old thread but had another question. i have been putting the 1# nitrogen per 1000sq. ft. once a month and my bermuda is looking good but no great. some places it is full and thick and others it is thin i wonder why? anyway, also everywhere my dog takes a leak. it turns real real green thick and nice what would this mean that my grass is lacking? |
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| What fertilizer are you using? Sounds like you may not be giving it enough. If it's Lesco 0777, you need about 2.5 lbs per 1k. Are you putting fert down every 30 days or so? Is getting enough water, wet down to the root zone? |
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| also everywhere my dog takes a leak. it turns real real green thick and nice what would this mean that my grass is lacking? Nitrogen. |
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| thanks! i was just scared to put more bc i have been putting it every thirty days |
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