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| Our front lawn is small, about 3000 square feet. It slopes toward our house, and we have 11 large oak trees in a grove in the front yard. The area under the trees is mulched because it is so arid and shady.
The rest of our grass is in a sad way. We have owned the house for a year. The prior owner left piles of leaves in the yard, so we had yard acne. Our next door neighbor has a lovely lawn, so ive been following the monkey-see monkey-do lawn program. When he mows, i mow. He suggested that i set my mower height higher and i did that. I reseeded early spring with a fescue that the local garden center sold me. I watered it diligently and some of the bare spots have filled in nicely. Next year we plan to have a retainingwall built, some terraces put in and a new sidewalk poured. I would like to improve the appearance and health of my lawn as much as i can, because the front of our house reaaly pulls down the overall neighborhood appearance. Bt i dont want to do too much in case next summer's construction tears it up. So, how do i determine what to do to my lawn this fall? Im trying to locate an extension office to have a soil test done. Have i missed he window for fertilization? I dont hnk i can afford to aerate and dethatch and reseed and fertilize and top dress. Thanks for any help and suggestions! |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Thu, Sep 22, 11 at 21:58
| I am perfectly happy to do some of those things, but i just dont think i can manage to do all! of them this fall. I would like to prioritize the things that would have the biggest impact under these circumstances. |
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- Posted by kevingalaxy (My Page) on Thu, Sep 22, 11 at 22:38
| If it were me i would overseed now, not sure where you are but im in the North East. Mow it down to the second but lowest setting, bag everything, try and rough up the soil, add starter fertilizer and throw down as much seed as you can afford to thicken it up. Should take you one afternoon of hard work. Then let it grow, hit it with some fertilizer again towards the end of fall. Then next year spot spray the weeds and work on the other stuff. Could even add some milorganite every month (instructions on the bag) to add some organic N to the soil. Good luck. |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Thu, Sep 22, 11 at 22:47
| Ooo thank you, a plan! What tool do use to rough up the soil? Soil rake? I have a thing that looks like several spiky rings set at angles that i think is a soil loosener. Also, how long until the grass seed takes firm root? I ask because soon my 11 ginourmous oak trees will begin dumping leaves over my front yard. I used a leaf blower and a billy goat (like a vacuum cleaner for the yard) last year. I dont want to reseed and then sweep all my seed away during leaf removal. |
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- Posted by kevingalaxy (My Page) on Thu, Sep 22, 11 at 23:00
| I would give overseeding a good 4 weeks, usually something like rye comes up in 7-14 days im guessing fescue is about the same. hopefully they will come up and be strong enough for you to walk on and blow the leaves b4 the leaves start to drop like crazy. If the leaves drop just blow them, whatever you do now will thicken up the lawn more than doing nothing so dont worry too much about it, just dont leave the leaves on the new grass. I just used a normal rake to loosen mine, was a pain but it did the trick, im guessing that spikey thing should work. Just try and get good seed to soil contact. I know lots of neighbors who overseeded but left so much dead grass and debris on the lawn it did nothing and no new grass grew. You may need to dethatch if theres a lot of debris though, if thats the case you could dethatch and overseed now and leave the aerating and top-dressing til next year. Its more work if you have to dethatch but overseeding when theres too much debris and thatch doesnt work. GL. |
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| I agree with what kevingalaxy is saying given that you do not want to do too much now because of construction next year. Your location and time of year depends a lot on getting some grass to grow regarding overseeding. I assume you are talking about TTTF (tall turf type fescue). Use about 4 lbs per 1000 sqft for overseeding. If you are going to overseed I would do it asap. You will want to keep the soil moist for a few weeks, not soaking wet, to help germination. I would then work on your soil based on your soil test. Add as much organic matter as you can to your lawn, like mulch mowing a lot of fall leaves, etc. |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Fri, Sep 23, 11 at 7:47
| Thanks guys, guess what i will be doing this weekend? |
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| "Our front lawn is small, about 3000 square feet. It slopes toward our house, and we have 11 large oak trees in a grove in the front yard." Just out of curiosity, how much of the 3000 square feet are taken up by the 11 oak trees? Or do you mean that beyond the 3000 sq ft of grass is where the oak trees are? If you have a composting facility near your house where you can pick up some for free, that will also help the new seed. You only need about 1/4 inch of compost as a top dressing. |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Fri, Sep 23, 11 at 10:22
| Sorry i was unclear, our front yard is 3000 sq ft total. You could roughly visualize it as a 30 foot by 100 foot rectangle. The stand of trees and their mulch occupy about 2/5ths of the front yard. The entire front yard slopes gently towrd the house. 3/5ths of the front yard are mowable. Lots of clover and some sort of fine limp wirey grass in the shady areas. We are located in mid-ohio river valley, in wv. |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Fri, Sep 23, 11 at 10:52
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Sun, Sep 25, 11 at 20:07
| Okay, next time warn a girl! That was effortful! Mowed short. Started dethatching with a soil rake, neighbor took pity and offered me his dethatching rake. Dethatched, overseeded and spread 3cubic yards of peat moss over. Need to buy some more tomorrow am. Did not water becase t is raining now. Should i fertilize now? Also buffed the paint on my sailboat today. Blisters on both hands! |
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| Do not fertilize now when overseeding. The reason why is that the grass that you have now will start growing faster with fertilizer. You want to minimize this growth so it does not shade out the grass seedlings too much as they are coming up and so you can wait as long as possible before you have to walk on the lawn in order to mow. In about 2 to 4 weeks you will have to mow. You can then put down maybe a half rate of fertilizer and then do that again in another 3 to 4 weeks. The grass seeds have enough nutrients in them now to get them going. |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Mon, Sep 26, 11 at 1:22
| Thank you for the advice. I just found out that our mower has a mulching blade. Is it a good idea to mulch and leave them on, even if my yard hasnt had time to build up a healthy colonization of whatever it is that breaks the leaves down? Thinking of doing this at the end of october after the fertilization. Also thinking of using alfalfa to fertilize. |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Sun, Oct 9, 11 at 19:57
| Thank you grassboro and kevingalaxy, so far so good. I have thick bright green one inch tall grass. My front yard looks like an easter basket : ) |
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| I am glad everything is working out for you. If you have been watering multiple times a day for a few minutes at a time it may now be time to start backing off that watering schedule. This always depends on how much rain you get. You should be backing back to 20-30 minutes once a day for about a week. Then about 30 minutes every other day for about a week. Then about an inch of water once a week preferably all at one watering. Again, this depends on how much rain you get, your temps, etc. You will need to mow soon depending on how much your pre-existing grass has grown. Mow to about 2-3 inches. I like using organic fertilizer like alfalfa, soy bean meal and Milorganite. These take about 3 to 4 weeks to break down and feed your grass and as the weather gets cooler this breakdown takes longer. Given that I think you may want to use a synthetic fertilizer this Fall since it is much faster acting. Fall and early winter are the most important times to feed Tall fescue. Choose one that has some time release N mixed in it. You will need to read the label. Use about a half rate (half pound N per 1000 sqft.) in about a week and another half rate in 2-3 weeks after that. Water it in real good after applying to prevent any burning of the grass. Maybe time the application with a rain storm. Others with better knowledge of fertilizing scheduling may have a better idea but I do not think this is too far off. |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Thu, Oct 20, 11 at 23:41
| Thanks for all the help! All is going well, except hat my oak trees have dumped a bajillion leaves on he lawn and w have had heavy rain for 3 days. So I don't know how to get the wet lumpy sheets of leaves off my baby grasses. Is raking too harsh at this point? |
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- Posted by bassplayer7 6 (My Page) on Fri, Oct 21, 11 at 11:01
| That's kind of a mess for you. Removing wet leaves is NO fun. I would probably mow them, but that will still take a long time depending on the blanket of leaves. The sooner you get them off, though, the better. It's too bad they are wet, b/c leaves are fantastic organic fertilizer. It would be slightly more risky, but you could mulch it first, then bag it. That would put as much leaves onto the ground as possible, but it would stress the grass more then just bagging it. |
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- Posted by kevingalaxy (My Page) on Mon, Oct 24, 11 at 12:20
| Hey just saw this again, im glad things went well after all your hard work! Hopefully you got those leaves off, i tend to mow like every 2-3 days when lots of leaves start dumping themselves in my lawn (Like i run up and down the lawn quickly mulching everything in sight LOL) 2 years ago it was every week but that was too long to leave them on the grass as they killed it in patches. Hopefully now you have a thicker lawn thanks to the overseeding and you can mulch mow the leaves to provide extra nutrition to your new grass :) next spring you can concentrate on killing all the weeds! Then by next fall you should be in great shape. |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Mon, Oct 24, 11 at 14:26
| Thanks Kevin and Bass, my original grass was so sparse and weak, that I still haven't had to mow yet, probably will mow for he first time this week. I have been using a " billy goat" kind of a vacuum cleaner for the lawn to suck up the leaves. It is working really well except when the leaves are damp. I fertilized last week with a seed starter fertilizer. Will do so again when the temps start bouncing between 50 an 30 degrees. I read that that is when the top growth slows. Just need to sharpen my mower blade and mow the new grass. Thanks for helping me, it has made a huge inference! |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Mon, Oct 24, 11 at 14:28
| Inference=difference |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Thu, Mar 29, 12 at 17:27
| I didn't know much about grass seed last fall when I seeded. The local feed and seed store sold me k31. I'm now reading that this was a poor choice of seed. I still have a large bag of it left, I was planning to put it out. Is this a bad idea? Some places in my lawn are still patchy. Also how high should I mow? And I goofed and fertilized last week. Thought I was supposed to and then retread my notes and realized I had written NOT to fertilize now, because it compromises root growth. Sigh. |
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| Your local feed store did you a diservice selling you K-31. K-31 is tough stuff, tolerates drought, and is very disease resistent, but it is basically pasture grass, and doesn't make the nicest looking lawn. It is essentially the first tall fescue that was sold as a named cultivar in the 70's. A lot of work has been done improving TF since then, and some of the newest cultivars make extremely nice looking lawns, with dark green color, and very fine blades. If you are comfortable what your K-31 looks like, then by all means use what you have left, but if you want a dark green, fine bladed, soft lawn, then it would be wise to start over towards the end of the summer. I wouldn't worry to much about the fertilizing, what's done is done, and it's way better than fertilizing in the summer. Most TF should be cut around 3 inches. Some people prefer a bit shorter, some a bit longer, which is fine, but too tall, or too short is not recommended. |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Thu, Mar 29, 12 at 23:21
| Thank you Tiemco! I think I'll go ahead and not waste the seed I have, see how my yard fares this summer with the K31 and decide what to do in the fall. If I don't like the k31, can I just start overseeding this fall with a better variety and eventually it will be good or do I need to kill the k31 off? I sharpened my mower blade and set it at 3". Going to mow tomorrow! Absurdly excited about it. This year I want to kill off some mossy areas, top dress with some more mushroom compost and start using the milorganite and maybe try alfalfa or cornmeal. My neighbor with the nice lawn commented to me that the lawn is looking lots better. Much thanks to you guys! |
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| If you decide to add seed this fall, then you would be well advised to kill all your K-31 and start over. The only grass that will blend well with K-31 is K-31. |
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- Posted by kiki_thinking (My Page) on Mon, Apr 9, 12 at 13:42
| Compared to what I had last year, my lawn looks much better! After one mowing, I can still see some patchy places, but the overall effect of the grass is much thicker and greener. So, for now I'm content with the k31. My next question is about weed control, I have dandelions, clover, moss and who knows what else. Kids play in my yard. Could you guys help me with a plan for sping and summer of this year? I was thinking about doing the baby shampoo, molasses, alfalfa feed routine. My mower is set at 3" and I have a cat food can to measure watering. I live in mid-Ohio valley, zone 6b. At least what should I be doing during April and May for weeds? How much water does my lawn need? Thanks! |
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