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Posted by ZoysiaSod 6a/6b St.Lou TranZon (My Page) on Tue, Dec 27, 11 at 22:52 Follow-Up Postings:
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| Here's a small excerpt from an eye-opening article: "A plant pathologist experienced in protecting against biological warfare recently warned the USDA of a new, self-replicating, micro-fungal virus-sized organism which may be causing spontaneous abortions in livestock, sudden death syndrome in Monsanto's Roundup Ready soy, and wilt in Monsanto's RR corn. Dr. Don M. Huber, who coordinates the Emergent Diseases and Pathogens committee of the American Phytopathological Society, as part of the USDA National Plant Disease Recovery System, warned Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack that this pathogen threatens the US food and feed supply and can lead to the collapse of the US corn and soy export markets. Likewise, deregulation of GE alfalfa "could be a calamity," he noted in his letter (reproduced in full below). On January 27, Vilsack gave blanket approval to all genetically modified alfalfa. Following orders from President Obama, he also removed buffer zone requirements. This is seen as a deliberate move to contaminate natural crops and destroy the organic meat and dairy industry which relies on GM-free alfalfa. Such genetic contamination will give the biotech industry complete control over the nation's fourth largest crop. It will also ease the transition to using GE-alfalfa as a biofuel." The rest of the article is found here: http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2011/02/20/scientists-warn-of-link-between-dangerou |
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Here's a little bit of politics. You referenced Huffington and WaPo. "Here are some other useful articles at the Huffington Post and the Washington Post." These are two of the most green-left-Solyndra-treehugging-CurrentPresidentLoving followers of the nanny state. If one doesn't like chemicals on a lawn, I suggest not using them. As long as Roundup is kept in its container, it cannot hurt grass and weeds. DDT is banned and Africans get killed by malaria spreading mosquitoes. |
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| Huffington Post & Washington Post? You are kidding right? Those two editorial papers are pure propaganda. |
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| I've avoided left - right political discourse in my postings. I don't think human safety is a left - right issue. As far as I know, all Democrats and Republicans are humans :-) Anyway, I just found this site called GMwatch.org . I think GM stands for "genetic modification." This www.gmwatch.org site is loaded with information--stuff I had never even given the slightest thought to as of even yesterday. The following interview I found on their web site is especially chilling: http://gmwatch.org/latest-listing/1-test/334-interview-about-attacks-on-gm-watch And to think I came upon all this info because 6 months ago I turned to the web and some books to learn how to plant some zoysia sod in my yard. |
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| There is nothing new about genetically managed crops. Corn and Wheat are the most engineered crops and has been going on for a centuries. That Zoysia grass you grow is genetically engineered. So are you going to tear it out now that you know that. |
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| By the way, the letters "PR" in that chilling interview above refer to Public Relations, as in Public Relations firms. I had to think about 5 minutes to remember what PR means. |
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| So you are going strictly organically grown grains for any fertilizer apps? Or just forgoing fertilizer all together? |
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| Sure plant breeding has been going on for centuries....Gregor Mendel and all that. Nothing wrong with plant breeding. But there's a big difference, I think, between plant breeding and genetic engineering. Meyer Z-52 zoysia was NOT genetically engineered back in 1952. The double-helic structure of DNA was still unknown back then. Watson and Crick discovered DNA's structure a year later in 1953. From Wikipedia: "Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the direct human manipulation of an organism's genome using modern DNA technology. It involves the introduction of foreign DNA or synthetic genes into the organism of interest.... "The first organisms genetically engineered were bacteria in 1973 and then mice in 1974. Insulin-producing bacteria were commercialized in 1982 and genetically modified food has been sold since 1994." [End quote] Some hybrid BERMUDA grasses, though, have been irradiated (bombarded with radiation) to modify them--unlike Zoysia :-P So genetic engineering has not been going on for centuries, just for 38 years. God knows what awaits us in the future. Again, that interview is chilling. |
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Grasshole wrote: >So you are going strictly organically grown grains for any fertilizer apps? Or just forgoing fertilizer all together? Yep, I won't use synthetic fertilizers. |
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| No. I'm talking about the use of GM crops, packaged as feed, used to fertilize your lawn. Are you going to use grains for fertilization? I have to think that you wouldn't want to use any grains that weren't grown organically. I mean, if you're gonna preach, preach, son. |
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| Hate to tell you this; but those grains you are feeding your genetically engineered grass were genetically engineered and were grown with engineered herbicides and pesticides polluting your lawn. You really need to burn everything down you own and start over to be clean and free of the world around you. Or move to Samalia where they have nothing in the means of modern technology. That is what Huffington Post and Washington Post are asking for. Start with selling your car and walking or riding a bike every where you need to go. Crazy huh? |
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| Gene modification can be done by splicing a gene into the molecule or by selective breeding either way the new gene ends up in the molecule. So the big difference between the so called Genetic engineering and the old fashion way is time. Either way the molecule with the new gene looks the same and produces the same hybrid. If you do not believe man has genetically engineer crop either by gene splicing or selective breeding look at the original corn plant from Mexico and what we plant today. |
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| GM = Green Mafia. As a farmer I can find a dozen different sites that will (including universities) that will contradict everything the Green Mafia claims. Look as a young man in my teens and 20's I was a very far left Hippie. So far left I was a card carrying member of the Socialist Party, Green Peace, and the Sierra Club. I carried out acts of terrorism because that is what those groups do; aka Green Mafia. In the mid and late 70's I protested nuclear power plants. One in which we succeeded in preventing from being built. After graduating from college with BS in Electrical Engineering I went to work with a electric utility with every intention of destroying them within in the name of a tree. Then after about a year I put down the bong and grew up. I finally realized I was ignorant and stupid living ideology. After that I was a dedicated engineer motivated to make a difference. Then God called me to farming, and a farmer I was until my former retirement. Si I have a lot of respect for our land, and what GM is preaching is mostly BS hell bent on destroying agricultural business like every other far left organization. OK my point is you need to diversify your reading and consider the source. From your past replies and responses you seek sources of information which tell you what you want to hear and read. In other words you want to seek information that says agricultural business is bad for the world and needs eliminated like oil and gas companies. I can tell you as a farmer if it were not for agricultural companies and business we would be a 3rd world country looking for handouts. No other country in the world can match our production and efficiency. It is what makes us strong. If you do not like that, then... |
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| I'm all for agricultural business. I'm also all for capitalism. Not all, but many federal farm subsidies paid for by taxpayers are simply cases of corporate welfare, especially when it comes to ethanol gasoline. The ethanol subsidies are not congruent with capitalism. |
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| We should get back on topic, instead of talking about capitalism. Roundup is now off-patent. I saw some generic Roundup at Walmart over the summer. I think it was called Eliminator or something like that. |
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| So, are you only purchasing organically grown grains for fertilizers? |
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| Roundup is now off-patent. It's been that way for a while. Look for products with glyphosate. |
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| Selective breeding is not the same as Genetically Modified and the difference is certainly not just a matter of time. Selective breeding can only be done within a species. eg you mate 2 dogs to come up with a dog with certain selected traits. That isn't the same as taking genes from a turnip an splicing them into a tomato. Of course, that doesn't mean that either method poses any risks to humanity, but they most certainly are different. As for roundup - it is literally poison. If you drink it, you would become quite ill. I would recommend you only use it on your lawn where it is diluted and quickly broken down in the soil. Same goes for horse manure and compost tea. I'd recommend against eating those as well. |
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| The problem with GMO wheat is that they cause massive health problem even though they do a lot to prevent starvation. Ironic, eh? |
Here is a link that might be useful: Too much wheat is bad for you..
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