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| My 98 year old neighbor had an old reel mower in her garage under a pile of junk, unused for many years. When I asked about it, she gave it to me.
It turned out to be a 20" Trimmer Original with a 3hp B&S engine. I changed the gas and oil, put in a new plug and air filter, and lubed all the chains. It took forever to get started and running for any length of time. Now it runs fine and mows beautifully, but will still die about every 5-10 minutes. Sometimes it will re-start immediately, and sometimes be very hard to start again. Any ideas? Would a carb rebuild and/or new gas tank help matters? It's also missing the chain guard on the right side. Do they still make replacement parts for these? Any info or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Tim
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- Posted by ggoyeneche New Jersey (My Page) on Fri, Apr 17, 09 at 15:22
| I think you are very fortunate. The Trimmer Original 20" and 25" are the real deal. All chain drive, free wheeling rear wheels, roller drive, and a plate type clutch to the mainshaft. You don't say which Briggs it has (or age). Assuming date was before mid 1980's it would have breaker point ignition and they were built without chain guards over the reel chain and main chain. CPSC regs required the chain guards and also mandated a different clutch rod (now a lever rather than push rod). I'd suggest you pull the carb and head and then check valve clearances. Older Briggs will lose intake clearance and make for harder starting. Remove the keepers, buff any carbon off the valves, and grind the end of the stems to get .006 intake and .008 exhaust. Use a new head gasket when you reassemble engine. Next, if you have older engine with points, you'll probably need to either replace points and condenser, or at least dress the points and reset the point gap to .020. Points are under the flywheel. If your engine has a recoil start (rope pull which retracts automatically), the recoil clutch holds the flywheel and is threaded onto the crankshaft, right-handed. If you have a manual rope start (i.e. piece of rope with knot in one end; you put knot in notch in pulley and wrap rope around) you must remember that nut holding pulley and flywheel is left-hand thread. It might be easier to convert to electronic ignition by purchasing new coil 398593 at about $35. You simply replace coil and don't need to get behind the flywheel. If you have a later engine (after 1983 or 1984) you already have electronic, but may still want to look at valve clearances. |
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- Posted by okgardennut (My Page) on Fri, Apr 17, 09 at 17:19
| Thank you for the info. I wish I could tell you specifics, but the elderly woman doesn't remember how long she has had it. I was able to get these numbers off of it.... Model# 80202 It's red and says "Briggs and Stratton, 40cycle, Easy-Spin Starting" on the label. |
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- Posted by okgardennut (My Page) on Fri, Apr 17, 09 at 20:00
| I think I got it! I started to pull the carb when I noticed the screw for the throttle shaft was backed almost all the way out. Very loose. I tightened it up, and now the engine starts on the first pull every time, and keeps running. I left it for a couple of hours and went back outside and it started on the first pull again. I'm betting that it was sucking in air through the loose screw and bushing on the shaft, causing it to run too lean, and lose vaccum. We had a storm blow through today, but when it dries out I'm going to see how it starts cold and if it runs through the whole yard-mowing. I'm including a link to YouTube of the mower running. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Mower Running
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- Posted by okgardennut (My Page) on Fri, Apr 17, 09 at 22:41
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- Posted by ggoyeneche New Jersey (My Page) on Sat, Apr 18, 09 at 14:38
| According to your engine number, B&S is 1975. Since it runs well, I'd avoid going under flywheel to work on points unless needed, and I'd also delay looking at the valve clearances...if it ain't broke, don't fix it... This is a somewhat later Trimmer vintage, in that it has the "good" factory height adjuster and the handles with two cross braces. Early Trimmers came without height adjusters, and many dealers fitted aftermarket one. Height was adjusted by loosening bolt, swinging front wheels in or out, and then tightening bolt. First factory height adjusters had a notched rod, rather than the quadrant lever and gardeners despised them. The rod which holds the front wheels also has two or three holes which can then be used to give you a gross height adjustment, and then fine tune using the adjuster. The two brace handle is important becuase it allows use of Briggs engines with Pulsa-Jet carbs and tanks (like yours) The single brace (and the roller lever) would interfere with the Pulsa-Jet tank. Was especially a problem with 25" mowers when gardeners wanted to fit 5hp Briggs 130000 engines. Yours is also late enough to have been fitted with a shield over the reel chain. You can see the witness marks in the picture. Don't know whether the part is still available. Trimmer had to add it to meet CPSC directives, but you're OK without. Since Trimmer has changed hands several times (Trimmer-Fresno, Cal-Trimmer, Eastman) thisngs are in disarray and parts are problematic. Too bad because it was and is a great mower. Lastly, you'll notice end of reel is drilled and tapped. That was to screw in bell crank to turn the reel for backlapping after you removed the chains. Apparently crank is NLA but you can probably use bolt and locknut, and then turn with wrench. |
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- Posted by okgardennut (My Page) on Mon, Apr 20, 09 at 15:50
| Thank you for all the informaton! I was really curious about this machine and its vintage. It will be kept in good tune and used regularly. Thanks again. ;) |
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- Posted by okgardennut (My Page) on Mon, Apr 20, 09 at 21:35
| P.S.: I did go ahead and take the carb apart to clean it, and the built-in fuel pump diaphram was disintigrating. Chunks of peeled-off rubber were melting and getting clogged in the tiny fuel passages. It's amazing it was running at all! Cleaned it all out... Now to go to the local mower supply shop to see if I can get a new diaphram and gaskets for it. Hope they still make them! |
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- Posted by C Bradley(cbradley@bradleygroup.ca) onMon, Apr 27, 09 at 15:52
| Wow... just stumbled on this at the right time! I came accross a 20" "Homeowners" model (with belt drive) under similar circumstances. However, mine is apparently in worse shame, having been re-painted by a previous owner to conceal rust :-( I am trying to get the reel off to get it sharpened, and am uncertain of the procedure... it seems that reel sprocket doesn't simply come off once the little hex screws have been removed. Do I need to use a gear puller or something? Thanks in advance, |
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- Posted by ggoyeneche New Jersey (My Page) on Mon, Apr 27, 09 at 16:26
| Sprocket is held to reel shaft with two Allen head set screws. Trimmer does not use any type of key. Usually set screws are doubled, meaning first screw is driven down on shaft, and second is threaded on top of first, to keep from loosening. Then you'll need a 3-jaw gear puller to remove sprocket. Once sprocket is off, remove the screws for the two bearing housings. Pull off the sprocket side bearing housing, and you should be able to drop the other side of reel at an angle, and then pull the reel out through the side plate. |
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| Awesome... I suspected a gear puller was needed, but wanted to check before I seriously messed something up... I'm gonna try backlapping it first to see if I can get it sharpened up. The disassembly process has revealed a lot of rust, and I'm questioning whether this particular unit is worth throwing $125 at for a sharpening. Thanks for the valuable info. |
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- Posted by okgardennut (My Page) on Fri, May 1, 09 at 12:37
| The local mower shop did indeed have the rebuild kit for the carb, so that's done. It starts first or second pull every time and runs strong and smooth in all throttle positions once it's warmed up. It's still a bit cantankerous when cold, dying if you touch the choke or throttle at all. But I'm running some Marvel Mystery Oil through it so maybe that will improve. Heck, it's OLD. Still cuts great, and I'm glad to have it. CB, good luck with yours! ;) |
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| I have one of these trmmers......I am struggling with the cather...The grass falls out the back...the end nearest to the blade with the catcher only being 1/4 full....TO many catcher changes. Also, using the lever on the side to the highest point ...I am still cutting to short...any ideas? THanks |
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- Posted by ggoyeneche New Jersey (My Page) on Sat, Mar 20, 10 at 16:40
| These mowers will always tend to throw to one side or the other, depending upon the direction of the spiral of the blade. My recollection is that Trimmer throws to the left. You can't prevent it, but you can compensate by stopping momentarily and pushing some of the grass to the right with your hand, and then continuing to mow. Not high tech, but throughout Southern California and thru the South you'll see professional gardeners using Trimmer, Tru-Cuts, Promasters, and McLanes doing the same thing. As for cutting height, there should be two or three holes in the side frames. Look at the first picture above. He has the front axle bar in the lower hole, which results in a higher cut. I assume your is in the upper hole which will cut lower. Remove the nut on one side, pull out the axle rod, and reinsert in the lower hole. This will raise you about an overage of 3/4", You'll then use the ratchet height adjuster to set you final cut. |
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| I used a Trimmer 20" from the time I was probably 12 or 13 until I left for college in 1982. I don't remember every having any other mower before that. Ours had a B&S model "6" engine which I rebuilt in 1982 in Auto Shop. The fuel tank was in front of the engine, gravity feeding the bowl. After my father passed away I don't know what became of the mower. The Japanese gardiner that maintained our neighbors house had a larger version. My brother has been clearing out the house now that my mother has passed and says the mower is not present and might be at our uncles. I'd do anything to get it back. Anyone have any other data that might be worth knowing? |
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- Posted by ggoyeneche New Jersey (My Page) on Thu, Jul 12, 12 at 15:02
| If the original engine was a B&S Model 6, it was cast iron and from before 1957, when Briggs fully switched over to aluminum blocks. The 6 was used on the 20" from about 1949 to 1957, and the Model N before that. Both were 2" x 2" 6.28 CID displacement rated 1.75 to 2hp. The 25" mower came with the Model 8, round tank to about 1949, and rectangular tank in front 'til end of production in 1957. 2.25" x 2" 7.95 CID rated 2.5 to 3hp. Both 20" and 25" went to the 3hp aluminum in 1957. First was the 8BS and then the 80000. At that time, and through the 1970's, the Kohler K91 4hp was a popular upgrade with professional gardeners. As the Kohler became more and more expensive, 25"s were fitted with Briggs 130000 5hp engines or with the Honda G200 flat head, also 5hp. Sometime in the 1960's, Trimmer came out with the 20" Homeowner to better compete with lower priced McLanes and King-O-Lawns. Originally fitted with Briggs 60000 2hp with suction carb, and belt drive off the engine. Later upgraded to 80000 3hp with pulsa-jet carb at the same time the 20" Original was changed over from float carb to pulsa-jet. See the pictures above. |
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| Wow ggoyeneche, you have some tremendous knowledge of these old mowers. Very cool. I picked this one up over the weekend. Really looking forward to my first cut, now that I have leveled the lawn. |
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| While searching Craigslist looking for a deal, I came across a 25 inch trimmer with the basket for $ 20. I quickly had my friend who lived in the same city about 250 miles from me, rush over and pick it up. On my next trip I will pick up and begin the restoration process. I am currently restoring a 20 inch Pro Master which is a Top quality machine. |
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- Posted by ggoyeneche New Jersey (My Page) on Tue, Feb 5, 13 at 8:52
| You got a hell of a deal on the Trimmer 25". Love to see a couple of pictures as purchased, and then after you've gone through it. Like to know the vintage, and which engine has been fitted. Promaster is also a good machine, but not quite equal to Trimmer (roller drive) or Tru-Cut (wheel drive/differential). Also, didn't see rager's 25" with the Honda. I'm guessing 1990's vintage, since it has the original reel with the cast iron spiders. I prefer this reel over the later, all stamped reel. Very nice. |
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- Posted by redneck-engineering Arizona (My Page) on Sun, Mar 10, 13 at 14:26
| I know my comments are to an old Post, but here it is anyway. Trimmer mowers are now made by Eastman Mowers of Maine. I inherited a 20 inch Trimmer mower with 3 hp Briggs engine. This was a 50 year anniversary model (1935-1985). It had been in storage for a few years and shows very little usage. I haven't had time to get it going by it turns free and should only need gas, oil and a carb diaphragm change to get going. It's looks like it was Top of the Line mower, heavy and well built, so I'm looking forward to getting it running. Albeit, where I live now, have no grass at all. |
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- Posted by ggoyeneche New Jersey (My Page) on Mon, Mar 11, 13 at 22:32
| Nice looking mower and very clean. Looks like it might be a little later than 1985. You can check the numbers on the engine: should be 80202-XXXXX-XXXXX. Third set of digits (Code) tells you the year manufactured, i.e. 85XXX, 90XXX, etc. Your machine is the "Homeowner" model, which has belt drive to the jackshaft, rather than all chain drive, and has a few other features downgraded to save money. Was made to better compete with the McLane, which was substantially cheaper. Still a very competent machine and nothing to be ashamed of. Will give many (twenty or more) years of service if properly maintained. Just not as heavy and as suitable for commercial use as the all chain drive "Original" models. |
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