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Mower not cranking

nick_nl
13 years ago

I have a 12 year old riding lawnmower. Recently, I have had issues with it not cranking. I sometimes get a fast "rrrrr" clicking sound that sounds like its coming from the back of the mower. After about 5 minutes of attempting to start the mower it eventually cranks and starts right up.

From doing a bit of research there are three possible causes:

bad solenoid (seems to be the most likely source)

starter with it's gear damaged

dying battery

I have heard that you can test for a bad solenoid by using a jumper cable and connecting one end of the red portion of the jumper cable to the positive terminal of the battery and the other end to the positive terminal of the starter and if it starts up when the ignition is turned to the run position the solenoid is most likely the problem.

Any tips, recommendations, or any other possible causes from the symptoms that I described?

This is my fist time on forums BTW.

Comments (17)

  • nick_nl
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    On a side note I did attempt to fix a oil leak that has been around a while; the source of the leak appears to be where the dipstick tube connects to the engine. I used some household silicone sealant(yes I'm sure that there is some sort of automotive sealant that I should have used) and if I don't see any oil for a few weeks I'll know for sure.

  • tomplum
    13 years ago

    Model #s could be helpful. A rear mounted solenoid is likely an MTD product w/ 2 large poles and 1 small pole on it. This solenoid requires that it is securely grounded as well as the battery ground cables and the engine. If can can pull the battery, safely hook it to the CLEANED existing terminals with a set of good jumper cables- you can do a quick and easy test. Set the park brake 1st. If you can now jump across the 2 big terminals and it cranks- you know the engine will crank and the starter/ grounds etc are good. Know that it will spark- so do so safely. If you then jump from the + battery to the small terminal and it doesn't crank AND the solenoid is grounded- the solenoid is no longer. let us know what happens.

  • nick_nl
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    You're good, it's an MTD model alright, model 13AL452F730499321115, it's a 98' 400 series. I tried what you suggested putting the ignition in the run position but it still did not crank, but I can tell that my "rrrr" click noise is coming from the solenoid.

  • tomplum
    13 years ago

    If jumping across the 2 big terminals do not crank it, then likely a battery , terminal, ground issue exists. They do battery testing at many automotive stores. Can you turn the engine by the top screeen by hand/

  • nick_nl
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Well for the heck of it I took out the solenoid and put it back in, and now so far it's cranking and starting right up.

  • gator_rider2
    13 years ago

    That oil leak could cause lose ground at engine mounts. If there oil under engine between frame engine. Silnoids make humming noise. You trying crank for 5 minutes then cranks sign you welding a temprary contact and starts.

  • walt2002
    13 years ago

    "Well for the heck of it I took out the solenoid and put it back in, and now so far it's cranking and starting right up."

    Well that pretty well says bad connection. Probably at solenoid terminals. IF the solenoid only has one small terminal on it, then it is self grounding thru the solenoid mount. Sometimes this becomes faulty. But since it did not crank when you jumped between the two large terminals, that pretty well eliminates bad mounting ground.

    Walt Conner

  • nick_nl
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    "IF the solenoid only has one small terminal on it, then it is self grounding thru the solenoid mount"

    It does indeed has only one small terminal.

  • nick_nl
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    It's still continuing to start right up for me, I'll post an update tomorrow when I test it again. Thanks for all of the help.

  • nick_nl
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Well I tested it again and it started right up so it looks like the problem is fixed for now at least.

  • ewalk
    13 years ago

    Nick when you get a chance inspect the oil filler tube further . Most likely the Internal O-Ring is cracked or pinched and may just need refitting or replacement which is a cheap fix .

  • nick_nl
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Well I went to start up the mower this weekend, and had the rrrr hammering noise from the solenoid again, I shorted the two terminals and it started so it's appears to have been the solenoid the entire time. Fortunately, Lowe's sells a solenoid that's a perfect match.

  • nick_nl
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Well I got the new solenoid, unfortunately it decided to rain today so I waited for it to slow down which was around 9:00 p.m. I put it in and it started right up. I'll end up washing and waxing my mower yet again tomorrow because rain was not predicted today so I left it out and it got rained on . .

  • nick_nl
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    As for the o-ring seal issue with the dipstick tube, my temporary silicone chalk seal is holding up so I'll wait until it's time for another oil change to fix the o-ring seal problem as I don't want to have to waste new oil.

  • ewalk
    13 years ago

    Nick , good to hear you eliminated the intermittent solenoid issues , yeah the silicone will suffice until permanent repairs are warranted .

  • nick_nl
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    When I do change the oil next time and fix the leak permanently do most dipstick tubes simply screw off?

  • ewalk
    13 years ago

    Nick , actually I have seen them both ways . Screwed and interference fit with internal the oil ring . The tube is usually supported by a plastic moulded tap which a hex fastener self tapping screw secures to the chassis.