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Rare velvetine cone red flower!

Posted by Pauly2921 none (My Page) on
Fri, Dec 16, 11 at 2:27

G,day does anyone know what this shrub/tree is? Its about 2m/6ft6 tall and the flower is covered in tiny velvet dots of red carpet, certainly not common where it grows in the Yarra Valley, Victoria, Australia. Merry Christmas!

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RE: Rare velvetine cone red flower!

Staghorn Sumac, Rhus typhina. It is a common, small tree native to eastern North America.

This sumac builds communities - slowly spreading to create a cluster of these trees. It is quite short-lived for a tree. And wild food foragers make a "pink lemonade" from its berries.

FataMorgana


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Agree it's a sumac. I love making lemonade out of the fruit. The flavoring comes out of the glandular hairs on the outside of the fruit, so what you do is take the whole bunch and rub it with you hands in a bowl of water, then strain it and add sugar. It's really sour just like lemonade and has a surprisingly nice flavor. But you gotta do it before they get rained on.


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Thank you for solving this mystery for me and am going to make pink lemonade today. Cheers Pauly.


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Isn't there more kinds?
I was just checking our Romanian forum (after learning of the lemonade, to see if I can find similar info there) and from this small pic. it could be the smooth sumac? Rhus glabra ???
The Rhus typhina leaves seem at least to me kinda different, more delicate, etc.
JUST WONDERING ...


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Rhus typhina is a pretty common wild tree here. I've never thought of its leaves as being delicate but I suppose that is in the eye of the beholder.

All of the following pictures I took last summer of fruiting staghorn sumac if you would like to compare to the OP's image.

FataMorgana


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Hello fatamorgana,

Ok. I think we are referring to 2 different Rhus'
The one I like and see around here looks like this
http://www.herbstopic.com/?p=1110
sorry I am posting a link. There are a couple thumbnails.
Those leaves are way more delicate (psych!) than the ones in your pics.

Another pic from a Romanian site which shows the leaves as well.
http://www.eplante.ro/plante-a-z/otetar-Rhus-typhina.html

So that's delicate to me.

Google gives mixed results when I type Rhus typhina. Or Rhus glabra.


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If you google "rhus typhina bailtiger" or "rhus typhina tiger eyes" or "rhus typhina laciniata" you'll see images of cultivars with beautiful, more delicate leaves. I'm not sure what cultivars are available in Romania but I suspect the trees you are referring to in Romania are a cultivar sold as an ornamental plant.

The Rhus typhina that grows wild here in its native range, are not so delicate. They pretty much all look like the pictures I posted above. The google images of "rhus typhina" are mixed between wild plants and cultivated ornamental varieties. It's the same thing if you were to type in "echinacea" at google. You would see all manner of flower colors (cultivated ornamentals) mixed in the images of the original wild purple. I hope this helps! :)

FataMorgana


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RE: Rare velvetine cone red flower!

  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Thu, Jan 5, 12 at 14:05

'Bailtiger', which can be told right off by having yellow leaves, probably hasn't made it to Romania. They might have the plant grown as (green) cut-leaved smooth sumac, which is thought to actually be represented in western cultivation at least in part by a hybrid between smooth and staghorn sumac.

The plant asked about could just as well be a smooth sumac, this would account for somewhat different foliage and often noticeably different branching habit. The lack of conspicuous fuzz on the shoots makes it easy to tell apart right at the start.


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Has anyone ever tried reusing the berries to make sumac-ade multiple times? If you could bend the plant enough to submerge the berries without breaking it, I would think you could made sumac-ade weekly from the same plant (depending on rain) until the berries go bad, are eaten, or fall off.


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How do you tell the difference between poison sumac and non poison sumac? We have this stuff everywhere and everyone just calls it all poison to be safe.


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From Wikipedia

"Poison sumac grows exclusively in very wet or flooded soils, usually in swamps and peat bogs, in the eastern United States and Canada.[3]"

Regular Sumac's prefer well drained to somewhat droughty conditions.


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Thanks. Im in south Mississippi and we have both everywhere here. So besides where they grow, any physical characteristics?


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RE: Rare velvetine cone red flower!

  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Mon, Jun 18, 12 at 2:00

Yes, the morphology is different. All this can be seen in web searches.


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