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Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

Posted by epiphyte78 9 (My Page) on
Fri, Sep 2, 11 at 20:09

This last Friday while inspecting my tree I noticed a few tiny round green blobs near the roots of the Dendrobium speciosum v. capricornicum 'Black Mountain Gold' that I had picked up from my friend in Santa Barbara back in 09. Upon closer inspection I realized that the green blobs were actually orchid protocorms. It was super surreal seeing them "magically" attached to the completely dry bark on the sunny side of the tree.

Here's one photo...

Symbiotic Orchid Germination 1a 008 by epiphyte78, on Flickr

Here's the set...Symbiotic Orchid Germination...where I uploaded several other context photos. To make it easier to see the details I only marginally reduced the quality/size of the photos. After you click on a can see the full size pictures by right clicking on the photos in flickr and selecting the size you wish to see.

Earlier in the year I had sown some orchid seeds onto my Cedar the seedlings are probably not volunteers.

Looking around the speciosum some more I counted around a couple dozen protocorms in close proximity to the roots of the speciosum. Some were just barely visible to the eye while the largest were the size of a BB and just starting to develop their first leaf.

Wondering if there were other protocorms on the tree...this last weekend I climbed up the tree and managed to find a few more protocorms. One protocorm was growing close to an Epidendrum parkinsonianum that I purchased from a lady in Ojai. Another one was growing next to a Dockrillia teretifolium that I had purchased from the SBOE. There were also around half a dozen growing near a Vanda tricolor v suavis that I purchased from a fellow in Ventura. I purchased all three orchids back in 08.

Unfortunately, I have no idea what orchid(s) the seedlings are. Lately I've been adding plants/seeds to the tree in batches/bundles. If I remember correctly I think I gathered up a bunch of spore laden fern fronds and lightly blended them up in water. I poured the mix into a large plastic juice bottle and scraped in orchid seeds from 3 or 4 different pods around the garden. Then I probably added a few Tillandsia seeds and poured the mix at various heights onto my tree...shaking the bottle vigorously between pours.

I'm pretty sure that one of the seed pods was from my Cattleya loddigesii. But what I do know for certain is that none of the seeds were from the same species as the four orchids that supplied the necessary fungus. This seems to provide a little evidence regarding how selective/general orchids are in terms of their symbiotic relationships.

Just recently, on one of the other forums I'm on, somebody shared this interesting study on how terrestrial plants will switch fungal partners if they feel that their partner is not sufficiently contributing to the relationship. In other words..."mooching". Does the same "fungus free-market" occur with orchids and fungus living on a tree in nature?

For more information on symbiotic fungus I turned to the wikipedia article on Mycorrhiza...

"This mutualistic association provides the fungus with relatively constant and direct access to carbohydrates, such as glucose and sucrose supplied by the plant. The carbohydrates are translocated from their source (usually leaves) to root tissue and on to fungal partners. In return, the plant gains the benefits of the mycelium's higher absorptive capacity for water and mineral nutrients (due to comparatively large surface area of mycelium:root ratio), thus improving the plant's mineral absorption capabilities."

On another forum a member mentioned that the majority of epiphytic orchids associate with saprobic fungi rather than mycorrhizae. Not sure if that changes the relationship dynamic between the orchid and its fungal partner.

We do know that orchids raised from flask can grow without a fungal partner...but would it be worth it to try and find these lonely orchids a fungal partner? Given that orchid seeds are completely dependent on fungus to germinate in nature lends credence to the value of the relationship.

It's interesting that on my tree the orchid seeds germinated in such close proximity to the roots. As far as I can tell...none of the seedlings germinated further than 1/2" away from an orchid root...but only two seedlings germinated directly on a root. I know I didn't pour the orchid seeds exactly around those orchids so the seeds should have ended up in other areas as well. It seems that even though the four orchids have been on the tree for at least a couple years...the fungus hasn't managed to stray very far from their orchid roots.

On another forum I theorized that the fungus uses the orchid roots as a vehicle for colonizing the tree. The more a fungus colonizes a tree the more spore it can produce...which greatly increases the chances that spore will land on adjacent trees. Which in turn increases the chances that seeds from that orchid will germinate on adjacent trees.

One thing about my Cedar tree though is that the bark is very hard. Some of the native oaks near the coast which are loaded with non-vascular epiphytes have very spongy soft bark. It seems reasonable that soft, absorbent bark would make it easier for orchid fungus to colonize a tree without having to rely completely on orchid roots.

In terms of watering...for the past couple months I've tried to turn the drip system on every night for around 20-30 minutes. Most of the orchids on the tree don't need to be watered every day and would be fine with being watered 2-3x a week...but they don't mind being watered nightly during summer. I've been watering more frequently than really necessary to help a few moisture lovers (ie epiphytic impatiens, blueberries, rhododendrons, etc.) get a chance to establish.

I'm certainly not the first person to try sowing orchid seeds on trees...but it's surprising that I've only heard two separate instances of people in Hawaii successfully trying this method of propagation. I've never heard of anybody in Florida or the tropics attempting to do this.

Of course, back in the day before asymbiotic germination techniques, people would sprinkle orchid seeds in the pot where the mother orchid was growing. In those days though most of the orchids were wild collected and definitely had the necessary fungus in their roots. These days I wonder what percentage of the orchids in a typical collection have fungus in their roots.

In conclusion...grow orchids on trees and Boycott the AOS!

Follow-Up Postings:

RE: Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

It doesn't really matter what they are right now. That is amazing and wonderful. Once the plants start to develop you will start to be able to identify them. After all, the list of possible names is small.

RE: Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

  • Posted by jank US10 (My Page) on
    Sun, Sep 4, 11 at 21:19


RE: Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

Thanks for taking the time to make this post, great to see what you have achieved.

RE: Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

So, so cool.

RE: Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

I bought an orchid from Andy once and noticed a small plant growing in the basket. I asked him about it and he thought it was a Dendrobium which had grown a seed pod which had burst in the greenhouse where this plant came from. After a couple of years he was proven correct.

They do mange to regenerate in places other than our flasks.


RE: Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

Most of the seedlings died off...probably eaten by somebody. But here's a recent photo of the largest seedling...

Dockrillia, Crassula, Orchid seedling

I have several seed pods in a bag...mostly of Reed Stem Epidendrum. I'll sow them in a few months but I'll probably try and use an eye dropper this time.

Has anybody else tried sowing orchid seeds directly on their orchid trees?

RE: Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

When i used an orange tree for natual growth i had a LOTS of germination . Usually WAY too much Really tough to tell which is which until you get a lot of growth I have MUCh trouble with epi ferns ,particularly bears and squirrels foot,another is nephrolepis .these will take over every square inch. Never did it on purpose. The state removed my citrus trees so the entire thing was lost
but did transfer Catts ,epicatts ,phals and several types of vandas. I'm using palms ,cassia roxburghhii, and carambola as hosts Since i live in s. florida there are MANY species of epiphytes that pop up over time . Right now I'm having trouble with pencil trees and creeping fig.
good luck with your experiment!! gary

RE: Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

The seedlings are all looking like Laelia anceps...

Laelia anceps Volunteer

the larger version of the photo.

I know I sowed other types of why only Laelia anceps? Maybe because the other orchids require a specific type of fungus that isn't present on my tree. And/or perhaps the conditions on my tree are too harsh for the other orchids that I tried?

My Mexican Laelias are all starting to I'm going to cross them with Cattleyas, Encyclias, Brassavolas...and see if any of the crosses will germinate on my tree.

Anybody want to guess how long it will take to select for an epiphytic orchid that can naturalize here in Southern California?

RE: Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

  • Posted by arthurm Sydney, NSW AUST (My Page) on
    Tue, Dec 17, 13 at 18:06

Not sure what you mean by the last sentence?
From pod to first flowering varies according to Genera. I've just registered a hybrid with the Registrar at Kew where the seed was flasked in 2008. First flowering in 2013 and that was one of the fast to mature ones.
Something like Dendrobium speciosum will take more than ten years.

RE: Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

arthurm, I meant how long would it take to develop an epiphytic orchid that can grow on its own here in Southern California. In other epiphytic orchid that can thrive without any supplemental watering.

There aren't any epiphytic orchids in Mediterranean climates (winter rain). So orchids that we grow outside year around are tested by our cool/cold winter rains. The more fit an epiphytic orchid is, the better adapted it will be. It will be able to take advantage of the winter rain and grow when other orchids will be resting.

Over time the orchids will become fitter and fitter...they'll produce more offspring than the less fit orchids.

It's a numbers game. The more orchid seeds we throw at Southern California...the sooner we'll find an orchid that has the combination of inputs/traits it needs to be perfectly adapted to our winter rain climate.

RE: Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

  • Posted by arthurm Sydney, NSW AUST (My Page) on
    Wed, Dec 18, 13 at 20:50

You'll be throwing orchid seeds for a long long time.....all you have to do is ask the question of some of the local orchids societies.
Which orchids are the most commonly exhibited at your society?
Here it is Cymbidiums (weeds)
Soft-cane Dendrobiums
Australian native Dendrobiums and species.
But....I would call the climate east coast temperate.

RE: Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!

arthurm, have you tried sowing orchid seeds directly on your trees?

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