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Leaving Fruit Aesthetics to the Consumer

marshallz10
19 years ago

Leave Fruit Aesthetics to the Consumer

by Gary Galles

[Posted February 24, 2005]

Few Americans consider themselves at significant risk from ugly or misshapen

tomatoes. But the Florida Tomato Commission (FTC) "protects" those of us

outside the state against any of their winter tomato growers who want to put

"product of Florida" on any fruit (yes, tomatoes are fruit) not up to

standard in size, shape, skin quality or color. As a result, we won't be

seeing any Florida UglyRipe tomatoes this winter.

UglyRipe tomatoes are the result of a decade of experimentation with

heirloom tomatoes by Joe Procacci, triggered by complaints that the tomatoes

now on supermarket shelves are taste-impaired. Customers claim they bring

back the luscious taste they remember from "the good old days."

Unfortunately, very few of them meet the FTC's standard of beauty for

out-of-state export, because they fail the roundness standards. (The dispute

's divisiveness is illustrated by the FTC claim that almost three-fourths of

the fruit passes the standards, but Procacci claims it is only one-eighth,

with over three-fifths of the crop, clearly not up to those standards, not

even submitted.)

Unfortunately, this issue is just the latest in a long line of disguised

consumer rip-offs in the name of consumer protection, created by government

enforced agricultural cartel marketing organizations. Those agricultural

marketing orders trace to New Deal legislation to "save" agriculture by

giving these organizations, dozens of which still survive, the power to

coercively impose their standards on even unwilling members. (i.e.,

mandating what in other industries would trigger antitrust prosecution for

being anti-consumer.)

In effect, the government has delegated them the power to criminalize

selling fruit other growers deem unfit to sell or selling it in ways they

don't approve of, even when buyers, fully in­formed about any shortcomings,

would be eager customers. (Procacci had to turn away out-of-state buyers and

take about $3 million in losses when denied an exemption from the roundness

rules in January.)

The actual purpose of the restriction on selling these "lower quality"

Florida tomatoes that consumers are begging to buy is to allow other tomato

growers to restrict competition from versions customers might well prefer.

By limiting the alter­natives to their pretty tomatoes, other Florida tomato

growers (who dominate America's winter tomato market) raise their profits at

consumer expense. That purpose of raising producer profits by harming

consumers is what this restriction shares with often even more stringent

ones (extending to outright bans on selling sub-standard fruit at any price)

that have been imposed since the Depression on cantaloupe, peaches, pears,

nectarines, strawberries, plums, and a host of other fruits.

Despite the obvious anti-consumer effect of imposing such restricted

choices, the FTC echoes claims that other government-enforced agriculture

marketing cartels have offered in defense. Unfortunately, those argu­ments

cannot stand scrutiny any more today than they did in the past.

Cartel defenders claim the appearance or quality of produce is the essential

element that sells it, so it is necessary to restrict offerings to only the

finest appearing fruit. As the FTC's Reginald Brown put it, "The reality of

the marketplace is that when you go into a supermarket, you look at 'em, you

don't bite 'em." But if that is so, appearance regulations are unnecessary.

If only the prettiest fruit will sell, ugly fruit would not attract

customers and therefore would pose no danger to the profits of other

growers.

Restricted competition beneficiaries also claim that allowing ugly or lower

quality fruit to be sold would ruin the market or cripple the in­dustry. But

if only fruit meeting official standards would be freely chosen by

custom­ers, the market cannot be crippled by allowing other fruit to be

offered for sale; if the industry would be crippled as a result, then the

argument that consumers would choose only fruit up to those standards is

false.

Restriction supporters argue that government must enforce some sort of

minimum stan­dards to protect consumers. But consum­er protection requires

no such restraints (perhaps made most transparent by the fact that Florida

consumers are free to buy UglyRipes without any such protections). At most,

that is an argument for informing customers about important quality

dimensions, but leaving them free to make their own choices.

To justify further restrictions would require that consumers are too

ignorant, even when fruit is graded and available for inspection, to select

what to buy. That, in turn, would require that consumers cannot either see

or taste for themselves. Further, it would also require that supermarkets

overlook their own self-interest in not tying up their shelves and hurting

their reputations by carrying products their customers would reject.

Even if quality grading was considered necessary, there is no need for

government involvement or enforcement. Because consumers are willing to pay

more for what they consider higher quality fruit (including where they deem

taste more important than looks), growers will find ways to verify the

various important dimensions of quali­ty. But this can be done through

voluntary cooperative efforts or brand names as a guaran­tee of quality

(which is the purpose for the UglyRipe name, which would be the last name

one would pick if trying to get people to confuse your fruit with pretty

competitors).

Florida's existing tomato reputation (apparently for pretty but tasteless

tomatoes) could easily be defended in less onerous ways, as well. For

instance, they could allow labeling of Florida heirloom or Florida UglyRipe

tomatoes with no risk of confusing customers about what they were getting.

But refusing to pursue such an easy alternative solution to the alleged

problem indicates that it is not the real reason for the restriction.

The claims by the FTC that their purpose is to help consumers rather than

themselves at consumer expense is also made clear by their history of

blatant attempts at protectionism against competing tomato producers in

Mexico. They have brought multiple allegations of dumping, found groundless

(a minor miracle, given how our dumping complaint rules are stacked on the

side of American plaintiffs).

When NAFTA took away some of Florida's protections, they attempted to impose

new barriers that would fly under the public radar. In particular, they

tried to impose FTC packing requirements on others (i.e., Mexico) selling

winter tomatoes in the U.S. Given that U.S. tomatoes are picked green for

ease of handling and then ripened with gas, while Mexican tomatoes are

picked ripe (as are UglyRipes), those standards would have imposed

substantial damage, and therefore a substantial barrier, on Mexican

tomatoes.

The arguments for government enforced cartel restrictions on the sale of

ugly fruit, wherever they fall on the gamut from outright sales bans to what

can be correctly labeled as produced in Florida, are unbelievable,

self-serving justifications for consumer rip-offs. They are as absurd as

restricting sales of Fords for not providing Mercedes quality, hambur­ger

for falling short of top sirloin, or every education not up to Ivy League

stan­dards.

The arguments for restrictions on sales of ugly fruit are so "rotten" that

they are logically insupportable. Our taste buds can adequately distinguish

good tomatoes from bad for ourselves, allowing us to get beyond the surface.

But unfortunately, that is not true about government "solutions." There,

people seldom look beyond surface arguments (particularly to see the

unjustified uses of coercion entailed), and those using flimsy pretexts for

self-aggrandizement can therefore effectively mislead those who don't think

very hard about them. Until we do think carefully about such assertions,

such abuses will persist. And that is true in uncountable areas of

government involvement, not just for a government-enforced rip-off of

American tomato lovers.

______________________________

Gary M. Galles is a professor of economics at Pepperdine University. Send

him MAIL, and see his Mises.org Daily Articles Archive.

Comments (13)

  • Bruce_in_ct
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    But as long as the Florida tomato industry has its head up its a**, it gives local growers elsewhere a niche.

    The European Union is going through some of this now with beer purity laws. A lot of great Belgian beers ferment in open vats exposed to breezes and dust and living things, including the wild yeasts some beers rely on. But those small scale brewers have followed a different path than their EU bretheren, who want them to brew in a properly hygienic industrial fashion.

    I remember reading discussions from old CT Agricultural Society meetings during the time growers changed from shipping in barrels to boxes. The modern growers and their government supporters of that era (ca. 1900?) had to fight to get others to use boxes so CT apples would be in better condition when delivered. Ct apples were getting a bad reputation.

    And I knew people who were involved with or at least remembered the Maine potato commission or whatever it is when it and growrs established standards for Maine potatoes. By that time, prices paid for Maine potatoes were low because the potatoes were too often poor quality and unwashed.

    Standards aren't inherently bad, but you have to keep an eye who's setting them and why.

  • althea_gw
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I agree, standards aren't inherently bad, but many of these cosmetic standards should be updated to include heirlooms and unusual varieties. According to the federal regulations, cherry tomatoes are exempt because of their non-standard size and shape. Others varieties should be given the same exemption.

    I agree that consumers should be allowed to choose a tomato based on their own aesthetic taste rather than what has been determined beautiful by a group of bureaucrats.

    I don't think the UglyRipe is bad looking at all.

    {{gwi:133655}}
    UglyRipe

    Curious about what the regulations say regarding roundness, and so on, I took a look at the CFR to see how the UglyRipe falls short of the standard packing tomato. Here is the section on tomato standards. (I tried linking to this section, but it didn't work.)

    TITLE 7\-\-AGRICULTURE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE PART 51\_FRESH FRUITS, VEGETABLES AND OTHER PRODUCTS \\1,2\\ (INSPECTION, CERTIFICATION, AND STANDARDS)\-\-Table of Contents Subpart\_United States Standards for Fresh Tomatoes \\1\\ \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- \\1\\ Packing of the product in conformity with the requirements of these standards shall not excuse failure to comply with the provisions of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act or with applicable State laws and regulations. Source: 38 FR 23932, Sept. 5, 1973, unless otherwise noted. Redesignated at 42 FR 32514, June 27, 1977, and further redesignated at 46 FR 63203, Dec. 31, 1981. Grades Sec. 51.1855 U.S. No. 1. \`\`U.S. No. 1'' consists of tomatoes which meet the following requirements: (a) Basic requirements: (1) Similar varietal characteristics; (2) Mature; (3) Not overripe or soft; (4) Clean; (5) Well developed; (6) Fairly well formed; and, (7) Fairly smooth. (b) Free from: (1) Decay; (2) Freezing injury; and (3) Sunscald. (c) Not damaged by any other cause. (d) For tolerances see Sec. 51.1861. \[\[Page 454\]\] Sec. 51.1856 U.S. Combination. \`\`U.S. Combination'' consists of a combination of U.S. No. 1 and U.S. No. 2 tomatoes: Provided, That at least 60 percent, by count, meet the requirements of U.S. No. 1 grade. (a) For tolerances see Sec. 51.1861. Sec. 51.1857 U.S. No. 2. \`\`U.S. No. 2'' consists of tomatoes which meet the following requirements: (a) Basic requirements: (1) Similar varietal characteristics; (2) Mature; (3) Not overripe or soft; (4) Clean; (5) Well developed; (6) Reasonably well formed; and, (7) Not more than slightly rough. (b) Free from: (1) Decay; (2) Freezing injury; and, (3) Sunscald. (c) Not seriously damaged by any other cause. (d) For tolerances see Sec. 51.1861. Sec. 51.1858 U.S. No. 3. \`\`U.S. No. 3'' consists of tomatoes which meet the following requirements: (a) Basic requirements: (1) Similar varietal characteristics; (2) Mature; (3) Not overripe or soft; (4) Clean; (5) Well developed; and, (6) May be mishapen. (b) Free from: (1) Decay; and, (2) Freezing injury. (c) Not seriously damaged by: (1) Sunscald. (d) Not very seriously damaged by any other cause. (e) For tolerances see Sec. 51.1861. Size Sec. 51.1859 Size. (a) The size of tomatoes packed in any standard type shipping container shall be specified and marked according to one of the size designations set forth in Table I. Individual containers shall not be marked with more than one size designation. Consumer packages and their master container are exempt; however, if they are marked, the same requirements would apply. (1) When containers are marked in accordance with Table I, the markings on at least 85 percent of the containers in a lot must be legible. (2) In determining compliance with the size designations, the measurement for minimum diameter shall be the largest diameter of the tomato measured at right angles to a line from the stem end to the blossom end. The measurement for maximum diameter shall be the smallest dimension of the tomato determined by passing the tomato through a round opening in any position. (b) In lieu of marking containers in accordance with paragraph (a) of this section or specifying size in accordance with the dimensions defined in Table I, for Cerasiforme type tomatoes commonly referred to as cherry tomatoes and Pyriforme type tomatoes commonly referred to as pear shaped tomatoes, and other similar types, size may be specified in terms of minimum diameter or minimum and maximum diameter expressed in whole inches, and not less than thirty\-second inch fractions thereof, or millimeters in accordance with the facts. (1) Tomatoes of these types are exempt from marking requirements. However, when marked to a minimum or minimum and maximum diameter, the markings on at least 85 percent of the containers in a lot must be legible. (c) For tolerances see Sec. 51.1861. Table I \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- Inches \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- Size designation Minimum Maximum diameter diameter \\1\\ \\2\\ \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- Small......................................... 2\\4/32\\ 2\\9/32\\ Medium........................................ 2\\8/32\\ 2\\17/32\\ Large......................................... 2\\16/32\\ 2\\25/32\\ Extra large................................... 2\\24/32\\ \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- \\1\\ Will not pass through a round opening of the designated diameter when tomato is placed with the greatest transverse diameter across the opening. \\2\\ Will pass through a round opening of the designated diameter in any position. \[56 FR 21915, May 13, 1991; 56 FR 32474, July 16, 1991\] \[\[Page 455\]\] Color Classification Sec. 51.1860 Color classification. (a) The following terms may be used, when specified in connection with the grade statement, in describing the color as an indication of the stage of ripeness of any lot of mature tomatoes of a red fleshed variety: (1) Green. \`\`Green'' means that the surface of the tomato is completely green in color. The shade of green color may vary from light to dark; (2) Breakers. \`\`Breakers'' means that there is a definite break in color from green to tannish\-yellow, pink or red on not more than 10 percent of the surface; (3) Turning. \`\`Turning'' means that more than 10 percent but not more than 30 percent of the surface, in the aggregate, shows a definite change in color from green to tannish\-yellow, pink, red, or a combination thereof; (4) Pink. \`\`Pink'' means that more than 30 percent but not more than 60 percent of the surface, in the aggregate, shows pink or red color; (5) Light red. \`\`Light red'' means that more than 60 percent of the surface, in the aggregate, shows pinkish\-red or red: Provided, That not more than 90 percent of the surface is red color; and, (6) Red. \`\`Red'' means that more than 90 percent of the surface, in the aggregate, shows red color. (b) Any lot of tomatoes which does not meet the requirements of any of the above color designations may be designated as \`\`Mixed Color''. (c) For tolerances see Sec. 51.1861. (d) Tomato color standards U.S.D.A. Visual Aid TM\-\-L\-\-1 consists of a chart containing twelve color photographs illustrating the color classification requirements, as set forth in this section. This visual aid may be examined in the Fruit and Vegetable Division, AMS, U.S. Department of Agriculture, South Building, Washington, D.C. 20250; in any field office of the Fresh Fruit and Vegetable Inspection Service; or upon request of any authorized inspector of such Service. Duplicates of this visual aid may be purchased from The John Henry Co., Post Office Box 1410, Lansing, Michigan 48904. \[38 FR 23932, Sept. 5, 1973, as amended at 40 FR 2791, Jan. 16, 1975. Redesignated at 42 FR 32514, June 27, 1977, and further redesignated at 46 FR 63203, Dec. 31, 1981\] Tolerances Sec. 51.1861 Tolerances. In order to allow for variations incident to proper grading and handling in each of the foregoing grades, the following tolerances, by count, are provided as specified: (a) U.S. No. 1\-\-(1) For defects at shipping point. \\2\\ Ten percent for tomatoes in any lot which fail to meet the requirements for this grade: Provided, That not more than one\-half of this tolerance, or 5 percent, shall be allowed for defects causing very serious damage, including therein not more than 1 percent for tomatoes which are soft or affected by decay; and, \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- \\2\\ Shipping point, as used in these standards, means the point of origin of the shipment in producing area or at port of loading for ship stores or overseas shipment, or in the case of shipments from outside the continental United States, the port of entry into the United States. \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- (2) For defects en route or at destination. Fifteen percent for tomatoes in any lot which fail to meet the requirements for this grade: Provided, That included in this amount not more than the following percentages shall be allowed for defects listed: (i) Five percent for tomatoes which are soft or affected by decay; (ii) Ten percent for tomatoes which are damaged by shoulder bruises or by discolored or sunken scars on any parts of the tomatoes; and, (iii) Ten percent for tomatoes which are otherwise defective: And provided further, That not more than 5 percent shall be allowed for tomatoes which are very seriously damaged by any cause, exclusive of soft or decayed tomatoes. (b) U.S. Combination\-\-(1) For defects at shipping point. \\2\\ Ten percent for tomatoes in any lot which fail to meet the requirements of the U.S. No. 2 grade: Provided, That not more than one\-half of this tolerance, or 5 percent, shall be allowed for defects causing very serious \[\[Page 456\]\] damage, including 1 percent for tomatoes which are soft or affected by decay; and, (2) For defects en route or at destination. Fifteen percent for tomatoes in any lot which fail to meet the requirements of the U.S. No. 2 grade: Provided, That included in this amount not more than the following percentages shall be allowed for defects listed: (i) Five percent for tomatoes which are soft or affected by decay; (ii) Ten percent for tomatoes which are seriously damaged by shoulder bruises or by discolored or sunken scars on any parts of the tomatoes; and, (iii) Ten percent for tomatoes which are otherwise defective: And provided further, That not more than 5 percent shall be allowed for tomatoes which are very seriously damaged by any cause, exclusive of soft or decayed tomatoes. (c) U.S. No. 2\-\-(1) For defects at shipping point. \\2\\ Ten percent for tomatoes in any lot which fail to meet the requirements of this grade: Provided, That not more than one\-half of this tolerance, or 5 percent, shall be allowed for defects causing very serious damage, including therein not more than 1 percent for tomatoes which are soft or affected by decay; and, (2) For defects en route or at destination. Fifteen percent for tomatoes in any lot which fail to meet the requirements for this grade: Provided, That included in this amount not more than the following percentages shall be allowed for defects listed: (i) Five percent for tomatoes which are soft or affected by decay; (ii) Ten percent for tomatoes which are seriously damaged by shoulder bruises or by discolored or sunken scars on any parts of the tomatoes; and, (iii) Ten percent for tomatoes which are otherwise defective: And provided further, That not more than 5 percent shall be allowed for tomatoes which are very seriously damaged by any cause, exclusive of soft or decayed tomatoes. (d) U.S. No. 3\-\-(1) For defects at shipping point. \\2\\ Ten percent for tomatoes in any lot which fail to meet the requirements of this grade: Provided, That not more than one\-half of this tolerance, or 5 percent, shall be allowed for tomatoes which are very seriously damaged by insects and not more than one\-tenth of the tolerance, or 1 percent, for tomatoes which are soft or affected by decay; and, (2) For defects en route or at destination. Fifteen percent for tomatoes in any lot which fail to meet the requirements for this grade: Provided, That included in this amount not more than the following percentages shall be allowed for defects listed: (i) Five percent for tomatoes which are soft or affected by decay; (ii) Ten percent for tomatoes which are very seriously damaged by shoulder bruises or by discolored or sunken scars on any parts of the tomatoes; and, (iii) Ten percent for tomatoes which are otherwise defective: And provided further, That not more than 5 percent shall be allowed for tomatoes which are very seriously damaged by insects. (e) For off size. Ten percent for tomatoes in any lot which are smaller than the specified minimum diameter, or larger than the specified maximum diameter. (f) For off color. Ten percent for tomatoes in any lot which fail to meet the color specified, including therein not more than 5 percent for tomatoes which are green in color, when any term other than \`\`Green'' is specified. Application of Tolerances Sec. 51.1862 Application of tolerances. The contents of individual packages in the lot, based on sample inspection, are subject to the following limitations: (a) For packages which contain more than 5 pounds (2.27 kg), and a tolerance of 10 percent or more is provided, individual packages shall have not more than 1\\1/2\\ times the tolerance specified, and for a tolerance of less than 10 percent individual packages shall have not more than double the tolerance specified, except that at least one defective and one off size specimen may be allowed in any package: Provided, That the averages for the entire lot are within the tolerances specified for the grade; and, \[\[Page 457\]\] (b) For packages which contain 5 pounds (2.27 kg) or less individual packages shall have not more than 4 times the tolerance specified, except that at least one tomato which is soft, or affected by decay, and one off\-size specimen may be permitted in any package: Provided, That the averages for the entire lot are within the tolerances specified for the grade. Standard Weight Sec. 51.1863 Standard weight. (a) When packages are marked to a net weight of 15 pounds (6.80 kg) or more, the net weight of the contents shall not be less than the designated net weight and shall not exceed the designated weight by more than 2 pounds (0.91 kg). (b) In order to allow for variations incident to proper sizing, not more than 15 percent, by count, of the packages in any lot may fail to meet the requirements for standard weight. Definitions Sec. 51.1864 Similar varietal characteristics. Similar varietal characteristics means that the tomatoes are alike as to firmness of flesh and shade of color (for example, soft\-fleshed, early maturing varieties are not mixed with firm\-fleshed, midseason or late varieties, or bright red varieties mixed with varieties having a purplish tinge). Sec. 51.1865 Mature. Mature means that the tomato has reached the stage of development which will insure a proper completion of the ripening process, and that the contents of two or more seed cavities have developed a jelly\-like consistency and the seeds are well developed. Sec. 51.1866 Soft. Soft means that the tomato yields readily to slight pressure. Sec. 51.1867 Clean. Clean means that the tomato is practically free from dirt or other foreign material. Sec. 51.1868 Well developed. Well developed means that the tomatoe shows normal growth. Tomatoes which are ridged and peaked at the stem end, contain dry tissue, and usually contain open spaces below the level of the stem scar, are not considered well developed. Sec. 51.1869 Fairly well formed. Fairly well formed means that the tomato is not more than moderately kidney\-shaped, lop\-sided, elongated, angular, or otherwise moderately deformed. Sec. 51.1870 Fairly smooth. Fairly smooth means that the tomato is not conspicuously ridged or rough. Sec. 51.1871 Damage. Damage means any specific defect described in Sec. 51.1877, table II; or an equally objectionable variation of any one of these defects, any other defect, or any combination of defects, which materially detracts from the appearance, or the edible or marketing quality of the tomato. Sec. 51.1872 Reasonably well formed. Reasonably well formed means that the tomato is not decidedly kidney\-shaped, lop\-sided, elongated, angular, or otherwise decidedly deformed. Sec. 51.1873 Slightly rough. Slightly rough means that the tomato is not decidedly ridged or grooved. Sec. 51.1874 Serious damage. Serious damage means any specific defect described in Sec. 51.1877, table II; or an equally objectionable variation of any one of these defects, any other defect, or any combination of defects, which seriously detracts from the appearance, or the edible or marketing quality of the tomato. Sec. 51.1875 Misshapen. Misshapen means that the tomato is decidedly kidney\-shaped, lop\- sided, elongated, angular or otherwise decidedly deformed: Provided, That the shape is not affected to an extent that the appearance or the edible quality of the tomato is very seriously affected. \[\[Page 458\]\] Sec. 51.1876 Very serious damage. Very serious damage means any specific defect described in Sec. 51.1877, Table II; or an equally objectionable variation of any one of these defects, any other defect, or any combination of defects, which very seriously detracts from the appearance, or the edible or marketing quality of the tomato. Sec. 51.1877 Classification of defects. Table II References to Area, Aggregate Area, Length or Aggregate Length are Based on a Tomato Having a Diameter of 2\\1/2\\ Inches (64 mm) \\1\\

    Table II wasn't worth including. I only wanted to show the very narrow average diameter used as a baseline.

  • marshallz10
    Original Author
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    UNCLE!!!!!!

  • althea_gw
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Gosh I'm sorry. It didn't look that bad on preview screen.

    I guess I coud have just said that people shouldn't be forced to limit their choice of tomatoes to those that fit through the round opening of a designated diameter of the measuring device in any position.

  • Bruce_in_ct
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Maybe tomatoes shipped across state lines should be required to be perfectly spherical, red as a stop sign, hard as a rock, and with flavor to match. Hmmmm ... it looks like they are.

    That can only help small-scale, local growers. Which is good. Tomatoes from a local grower, whether or not they're strictly organic, can be ecologically superior to organic tomatoes from some massive producer across the country.

  • Organic_johnny
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    OK, but what do you do for tomatoes in the winter? No locally grown stuff in PA this time of year (unless it's from a greenhouse with additional lighting, which might just be about as energy-intensive as shipping it in a truck).

  • marshallz10
    Original Author
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I don't know about "ecologically superior" but closer to the point is the chance of harvesting at riper stages when marketing locally. "Vine ripe" means only morphological ripeness and usually is associated with one-color (out of four) stage. One-color is indicated by a change from uniformly green to lightening of a fruit shoulder. We eat "green tomatoes" at this stage or possibly at two-color. I harvest at three-color for best flavor and transportability.

  • socal23
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I would like to point out to those who oppose free market capitalism that our present system isn't what is meant by the expression. It's more like mercantilism.

    Ryan

  • alfie_md6
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    What I do for tomatoes in the winter: cans. (This is actually what I do for tomatoes all year, except for the fresh tomatoes from the garden from mid-July to the end of September, and the frozen tomatoes from the fresh tomatoes from the garden from October until I run out of frozen tomatoes.)

  • Organic_johnny
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Alfie: do you ever can your tomatoes, or just freeze them? And do you cook them before freezing?

    My grandmother always canned her tomatoes...just before freeze, she would pick all the green ones and make green tomato chutney.

  • alfie_md6
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Oh, canning tomatoes. Yes, I have canned my tomatoes. I hate canning tomatoes. Even with a pressure canner, the kitchen gets so hot that I have to turn on the air conditioner; it uses up a tank of the propane we fuel the stove with in half the time the tank usually lasts; it's a lot of work; and what you end up with is canned tomatoes that taste like -- guess what? -- canned tomatoes. Other people may taste a difference, but I can't. After I ended up in tears on the kitchen floor one summer, pregnant, sweaty, coated with tomato goo, and needing to be rescued by Mr. Alfie, I stopped canning and started freezing. Blanch, peel, cut up, seed (maybe), zip-loc, freeze. The only problem with this is that we inherited a side-by-side refrigerator/freezer, and so by the end of the summer, it's prudent to wear steel-toed boots when you open the freezer door.

    I've made green tomato chutney, green tomato pickle, green tomato chowchow, green tomato mincemeat, and green tomato and apple pie, and my own personal conclusion on the subject of green tomatoes, applying only to the garden of me, Alfie, is -- leave 'em in the garden to compost.

  • vgkg Z-7 Va
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    VgQn freezes tomatoes too when it comes to just using tomatoes for something. Otherwise she does can salsa and tomato sauce.

  • lilyroseviolet
    19 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thank goodness for farmer's markets and coops.

    Alfie, always enjoy reading your posts.

    I make salsa...can it, mostly and the rest I make fresh and try to keep and use as long as I can. I freeze salsa too. Our family loves salsa!

    I did get a bunch of water walls this year for my tomatoes...last years lack of sunshine gavemezip zero none red tomatoes outside. Thank goodness for the ones in our green house.