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organic gardeners in coastal south alabama

Posted by micrideblois zone 8 (My Page) on
Tue, Feb 10, 09 at 22:36

Are there any organic gardeners in south Alabama who are willing to share their knowledge? It would be appreciated!!


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RE: organic gardeners in coastal south alabama

I am in northern Alabama, not down south, but I will pass on what I have learned in my few years (so far) of attempting organic veggie gardening.

1) When you read most gardening books and they talk about summer "hot" conditions, they have no idea what hot is or what summer is. Most of the gardening books are written by people up north (no offense northerners, I have enjoyed the books and the advice, we just need to make adjustments) and when they talk about summer heat, they mean mid to upper 80's with maybe a few 90's mixed in. Two summers ago we had two weeks straight over 100 degrees and most of July, August and September saw 90's. So what can we do in HOT areas? Build up your organic level in the soils like crazy (more on this later) and try to never have bare dirt exposed to the elements - green manures as catch crops, organic mulches, or whatever else you can do to preserve moisture and cool the soil.
2) Organic soil content- compost, green manure cover cropping, organic mulching; do it all!. When those books from up north, tell you that you will need 2-3 inches of compost per year, try to double that in two applications. One for your early spring planting and another in mid to late summer when that one is mostly gone. In our heat and long season we can use up a lot of compost. By helping to hold on to ground water, lots of organic matter will help your veggie plants survive (they will not thrive, but survive) the worst part of the summer. Green manures as catch crops planted in early summer where the early cool crops (lettuce, spinach, etc.) have bolted will help the soil organisms survive the worst of the summer. You can plant more of the cool season stuff for the fall (and some may last all winter) in September and October.

The heat of the summer is the bad news. The good news is that we have an incredibly long growing season (officially 214 days for me, but this can be extended). With careful choices of veggies I have had something in the garden that I can harvest fresh through the entire winter most years that I have been gardening here (which has not been that many, but still...). With a little more global warming, I may be able to have fresh tomatoes in January, LOL.
Speaking of those maters, they will take a break in the heat of the summer. Keep them alive. They will pick back up when the heat dies down a bit and you will get a few more fresh ones before the frost kills them in the fall. With our fall cooling routine it is not unusual (with the judicious use of plastic and light bulbs during the cold snaps) to get my tomatoes to last into mid November some years.
For cool season crops, or root veggies you have two seasons, before the hot and after the hot. I have had carrots in the ground all winter, spinach and lettuce all winter, beets and chard all winter. This fall I will be trying brussels sprouts for the first time, but I fully expect them to last all winter as well.

Keep your roots as cool as possible and enjoy the long season and mild winters in the garden.

Steve


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RE: organic gardeners in coastal south alabama

Thank you,Steve, for your informations. They are very appreciated..I try to gather as much organic material as i can. We have an old horse and a donkey in a "pasture" and I let the manure age some and lay it on the beds .But Auburn told me this will cause an unbalance in the soil.(I do lack
potash, and have a lot of phosphorus.
They do not seem very interested in organic, and someone in the extension service here in mobile told me there is no way to garden organically in our deep south.That is why I am trying to get the advice of those who do it and succeed.


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RE: organic gardeners in coastal south alabama

Your university system sounds like Texas A&M. They seem to have committed to learning more about organic but they are not there yet.

Clearly you can garden organically. Have you read all the FAQs on this forum? There is a wealth of info there. I wrote the one on Organic Lawn Care so pay particular attention to the sage wisdom in that one ;-)

I assume you are on sand. The keys to hassle free organic gardening are as stated here by Malcolm Beck.


SEVEN RULES to farm and garden by

After a life time of studying nature, and finally learning to farm and garden in tune with the natural laws, I have come to the conclusion that there are rules to follow that will make our plants grow abundantly, free of troublesome insects and disease, be more nutritious and even taste better.


  1. ALWAYS USE THE BEST ADAPTED VARIETIES FOR EACH ENVIRONMENT.
  2. PLANT IN THE PREFERRED SEASON
  3. BALANCE THE MINERAL CONTENT OF THE SOIL
  4. BUILD AND MAINTAIN THE ORGANIC CONTENT (HUMUS) OF THE SOIL.
  5. DO NOTHING TO HARM THE BENEFICIAL SOIL LIFE.
  6. CONSIDER TROUBLESOME INSECTS AND DISEASES AS SYMPTOMS OF ONE OF THE ABOVE RULES BEING VIOLATED.
  7. HAVE PATIENCE. MOTHER NATURE GIVES BIRTH, BUT FATHER TIME CONTROLS THE CYCLES.

Malcolm Beck



Beck is considered to be the modern father of organic gardening in Texas. Back to my remark about the FAQ I wrote, it never would have happened without Beck being the mentor for my mentors.

Your job is to get organic material ONTO your sand and let the microbes in the sand do their jobs. Roots are the very best organic material so always, Always, ALWAYS keep stuff growing to get more roots INTO the soil. When the roots die, they become the organic matter in your soil. Grow grass or weeds if nothing else. Clover makes an excellent 'cover crop' when nothing else is in season. Because the roots grew there naturally, they belong there and are meant to decay there. Tilling surface material into the soil to increase the organic matter below the surface is unnatural. It will happen naturally if you let it.

When you are finished with a crop, don't plow or till it (that would violate rule number 5). Instead mow it down and leave it as a mulch. That leaves the roots intact and protects the soil from the sun.

And don't forget to read my FAQ. I get paid by the viewing (not really). Actually that FAQ is ancient. I'm rewriting it for another forum and will publish soon. I had hoped to have it by now but I don't. It will have more info but will not be all one long essay. And it is still lawn oriented.


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RE: organic gardeners in coastal south alabama

Malcolm Beck clearly knew what he was talking about. And the first two on his list are so critical that numbers 3 and 4 could be left out and you'd still have pretty good results, because there are crops that are adapted to most any soil condition.

I've just finished planting a bunch of fruit trees in central fla; I'll soon find out in I've made the right plant choices. The soil here is bottomless sand with a thin layer of organic matter on top composed of the breaking down of bahia pasture. Ultimately I want to find a team of garden plants that will thrive in soil made from a steady rotation of smothered grass-plots. So far I know that sweet potato and seminole pumpkin are first-string on that team. Dent corn may be as well. Certain greens at certain times of year.


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I've lived on the Gulf Coast my whole life and have found growing organically to be very challenging, and very frustrating, but nothing is impossible. It is encouraging to see that in the last 2 years, more organic ammendments are showing up in the local garden supply stores rather than having to be mail-ordered. We have worked very hard to turn a 900 s.f. area of poor, sandy, acidic soil into a fertile sandy loam. We actually saw a couple of earthworms last year, but we are now also seeing a lot of pill bugs. The heavy mulches we are using to conserve moisture, creates a perfect environment for them. Our winters are too mild to kill them and in spite of using some (organic) slug and snail bait, their numbers are growing. All my books say they don't harm plants, but they definitely damaged the young stems of cucumber and squash plants. Fire ants love the organic ammendments. I can dig a planting trench, sprinkle bonemeal, and here they come. Last year, racoons discovered our garden (we are surrounded by woods). They dug up the newly planted tomatoes, peppers, and eggplants to get the bonemeal and kelp meal. We are now in the process of attaching an electric fence to our existing fence to try to keep them out. They actually seem to like anything "smelly". Our plan for this year is to garden until July. First of August we will till everything in and plant a cover crop of cow peas, either pink-eye purple hull or zipper peas. Fall peas are easier to grow organically here and will put a tremendous amount of humus (as well as nitrogen) back into the soil. Buy your pea seed now at a garden center that sells them in bulk. If you wait until fall to get them, they may be out. My local center was already out of zipper peas and won't be getting more. I feel I have far more problems than answers, but organic gardening is definitely a worthwhile learning experience - even on the Gulf Coast.


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Thanks to you all who answered me.I wish to know where in
South Alabama can one find organic soil amendments and organics pest control ways.In the mean time I follow your recommandations as well as I can..We have NO bees...It is so upsetting..


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RE: organic gardeners in coastal south alabama

Gulfcoastgal
how is your garden?
I have a lot of problems similar to yours...plus some..
Do you know of any place which sells organics in our south?
For some reason , i can not find any potash around here except for some " muriate of potash" which, i was told ,is not appropriate for an organic garden..nor any garden.
also nematodes are terrible .I have to grow okras in pots..


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I have tried organic gardening for years in Baldwin county. Save all organic material possible to add to your soil. Leaves are one of my favorites. Shred them if possible. You can use your lawn mower to shred. Add the leaves to your compost pile, use as mulch, or put them in a pile by themselves and let them rot. You can aid their decomposition by adding a organic fertilizer high in nitrogen. I use milorganite sold in your big box home improvement store. I am also able to get compost at my county waste management site. The compost from my county waste has a lot of small limb fragments that are still far from composted. The compost is quite inexpensive. I believe one can purchase even if not a county resident.
I starting gardening at a new home site this year(2011). I,m trying square foot gardening for most of my gardening. I used my counties compost in place of Mel's mix for budget reasons. My beds are filled six inches with county compost. I add milorganite as a top dressing as recommended on bag. My intentions are to use my own compost or rotted leaves to top off my beds as I require more compost.
My garden soil is an old field site. The top is sandy loam with a clay subsoil. The topsoil is very poor and quite deplete from conventional farming. The subsoil gets hard as a rock if it dries out. My age and health prevent me from double digging so I try to help nature out by attracting earthworms and other microorganisms to improve my soil tilth and fertility. My four main pests are slugs, pillbugs, caterpillars, and fireants. I use an organic snail bait for the slugs and pillbugs. Like Steve stated in a previous post pillbugs(sowbugs) certainly damage young seedlings. caterpillars are controlled with BT. Fireants are my only pest that I am presenttly trying to contol with nonorganic Amdro. I'm trying to learn more about a parasitic fly to control the fireants. Besides the diccomfort from fireant stings, fireants will farm aphids on your garden plants. My best advice gardening in south Alabama is compost, compost, compost. Hope this is helpful.


 
 

 

 


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