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Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

Posted by prairiemoon2 zone 6/MA (My Page) on
Mon, Oct 26, 09 at 11:41

I have a large bag of Alfalfa pellets that I didn't use enough this year. I used it on three rose bushes and that was all. It worked great and I plan on using it a lot more next year. I was thinking that this bag wouldn't keep until spring though, is that true? Plus I didn't want to leave it in the garage all winter to attract wildlife. Can I work it into the soil around shrubs and perennials and toss some chopped leaves on top of that and be ahead of the game for the spring?


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

Organic matter can be added at any time, but I think it helpful to identify what the goal in using it is.

At this time of year it's getting cold and as soil temps lower, biological activity slows and in near frozen ground for all intents and purposes it stops. In other words the soil isn't 'eating' so adding organic matter isn't feeding the soil in the immediate sense.

The nutrient value in the organic matter requires biological activity to make it available to plants so the nutrients aren't going to be released with biological activity pausing for the winter.

The question then is will the organic matter be there in the spring when the soil 'wakes up'? The pellets will likely become mush as soon as they absorb moisture. If they are on top of the soil and the soil gets runoff from rains/melting snow then it may end up benefiting the 'downstream' neighbor rather than staying put.

Worked into the surface of the soil or mulched over with leaves as you said was your intent should be fine.


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

Yes, the intent would be for the nutrients to be available in the spring. My question is, which will produce the best results, storing the alfalfa over the winter and adding it in the spring, or adding it now, working it in and mulching over it? I could store it over the winter, no problem. I am unfamiliar with alfalfa pellets to know whether they go bad or get old over time. I also don't know if they have to break down in the soil and need some time to do that? I will be working in the soil both now and in the spring, so that is not a consideration. I also wondered if I add it now, will it spur growth at the wrong time?

Thanks for your help.... :-)


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

Yes you can add em now
Yes you can store left overs in a cool dry area in a bucket or bin over winter
Yes they break down in the soil and it takes time for that to happen 2 yrs apx
Yes they get old proper storage is key for best results of effectiveness as it slows its aging
Yes you can work it in to the soil now if you want, myself I just lay it on top and cover it up with the fallen leaves as they drop.
that's why I have to say kind of to this:
Kind of on early growth, it's not the same as pushing if its a rose bed hope that helps a bit.
When spring comes I remove the fallen leaves over to the heap for composting or mowing over to make a spring/ summer mulching's
Yes you can work it in to the soil anytime now or then and both if you want
A second thing you can do is:
Put some of em /it in a 5 gallon bucket and leave it open outside to let some rain and winter tea it up for you for use in the late spring and summer
I don't use pellets I use alfalfa hay I lay it down and top it with fallen leaves all of which is fluffy not stuffy good exercise chasing leaves around usually once a week

Best results lay it down after you plant any new bulbs which was hmmmm last week this week (I'm zone 6 here too lol)
Your a week behind me so Ill let you go to catch up be good have a safe and happy winter

You have the same steps I do so we will only have to wait for them crocus to come up before removing them leaves little by slow


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

Adding them now may result in the nitrogen content not doing much good, but I wouldn't worry about it, really.

You won't spur the plants into growth at the wrong time. Plants use triggers like length of darkness, temp etc to do their thing, not nutrients in the soil.


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

I'm going to have to disagree :-) I would not choose to put down alfalfa meal at this time of year. Soils are still warm enough for soil organisms to be active and alfalfa is a fast decomposer. And since it is primarily nitrogen, you may very well generate additional stem/foliar growth in plants at this time of year that will not have sufficient time to harden off before seriously cold weather hits. If you are just using it as an amendment for unplanted areas, that's different and I see no problems with that.

There is a huge body of evidence to support the benefit of fall fertilizing, as the roots of many plants are in active growth at this time of year and they are better able to metabolize nutrients now than at any other time during the growing season. They build up sugars as energy reserves to carry them through the dormant period and prepare for spring growth. In most areas, soils remain warm enough well into late fall for the soil organisms to continue to actively process organic inputs. But the caution with this is to apply fertilizers with low N levels and focus on the P and K.

FWIW, manipulating nutrients (as well as light and temps) is how growers force plants into growth and bloom out of season.

btw, alfalfa meal stores well and retains its effectiveness. Just make sure it is stored in a sealed container and in a cool, dry place. Moisture and oxygen combined with the meal can have combustible results.


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

I'm with gardengal48 on this one. Alfalfa also contains Triacontanol, which is a growth stimulant. That's what makes the "alfalfa tea" that some rose growers love so effective. I would store it in a large container with a secure lid (trash can, large storage bin) until next spring.

Here is a link that might be useful: EFFECT OF A LONG CHAIN ALIPHATIC ALCOHOL (TRIACONTANOL) ON GROWTH


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

Thank you all for great input. Since storing it over the winter will not cause it to lose effectiveness, I think I would rather add it in the spring and be sure to get the full benefit from it at the time when the plants are about to start their growth cycle. It worked well last spring when I added it to roses, so I'll just go with that.

Thank you all. It's so nice that there are so many people interested in soil and organics and are so knowledgeable!


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

I would not choose to put down alfalfa meal at this time of year. Soils are still warm enough for soil organisms to be active and alfalfa is a fast decomposer. And since it is primarily nitrogen, you may very well generate additional stem/foliar growth in plants at this time of year that will not have sufficient time to harden off before seriously cold weather hits.

It's my understanding that this is a myth ;)

Nutrients don't make plants grow, sun and appropriate temps do. How would nitrogen or any other nutrient in the soil make a plant grow when it's environmental triggers are telling it to slow down or in the case of roses, go dormant?

More than likely there is already N in the soil, but plants still enter dormancy. The presence of N can't make a plant grow when the environmental triggers are causing it to prepare for/enter dormancy.

As a concrete example, consider a cool season lawn in the fall. It's common to wait until the lawn is still green, but no longer growing and then add the final N application of the year. This results in the roots taking up the N, but it doesn't induce new growth until spring.

Where am I going wrong? ;)


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

  • Posted by gjcore 5 Aurora Co. (My Page) on
    Thu, Oct 29, 09 at 2:43

There's probably a middle ground based around timing, species,the current soil conditions and a host of other local factors.

As far as I know you don't want to encourage above ground growth late in the season with perennials.


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

Adding a synthetic source of Nitrogen to soil at this time of year has been known to stimulate plant growth that did not harden enough before colder weather set in and resulted in that growth winter killing. However, adding an organic source of N to soil has not done the same thing, in the studies I've seen, because of slower availability to the plants. That N is taken in by the plants and stored in the roots ready to start growth in the spring.
Adding your Alfalfa pellets now will mean the nutrients will be available to the plants in the spring while waiting until spring means those nutrients will not be available to the plants until maybe midsummer.


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

Well, if I get a chance to, I may try to do both and see what happens. Thanks Kim for that added information.


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

JaG, I don't have any specific cites to support this, only a compendium of experience and info gathered from readings over the years :-)

As a hobby gardener I would have assumed much the same theories as you, however my experience working with professional growers has lead me to conclude otherwise. Dormancy in plants can be delayed, sometimes eliminated or cut short early by the timing of fertilizer applications. Growers do it all the time to get plants to market ahead of season or even in the off season. Sometimes it involves other greenhouse conditions (manipulations of heat and light) but it also happens with other hardy plants in unheated, unlighted greenhouse conditions.

It is also well documented that plant roots will continue to assimilate nutrients until the soil is too cold for them to do so. Dirk Muntean, a biology consultant for Soil and Plant Laboratory, Inc. in Bellevue, WA, explains it this way: "Those roots are taking up nutrients in the soil throughout the fall until the soil temperatures drop low enough to inhibit root function." And that doesn't happen until quite late into the winter season. That's why along with all the recommendations one sees for fall fertilizing, there is also the caution to utilize low nitrogen formulations - the emphasis is on root growth, not top growth. Even fall and winter blends of lawn fertilizers have lower nitrogen concentrations than do spring and summer blends.

FWIW, dormancy in plants is relative.....in some cases, plants will continue to grow and photosynthesize throughout the winter months or what we think of as the dormant period - broadleaf evergreens, conifers, many groundcovers, cool season grasses (I've had to mow my lawn in midwinter!), any winter blooming plant, etc. The growth may not be nearly as apparent as it would be during the typical growing season but it is still taking place.

Obviously, much of this will be highly dependent on the specific plant and the specific growing conditions, but in many areas fall is plenty warm enough and soil temps remain high enough to prolong the growing season or even encourage a rapid, nitrogen-infused flush of new growth that will be vulnerable when cold weather finally does set in.

I wouldn't be overly concerned about this with most organic sources of nitrogen.....they are just too slow acting to have a significant impact - but alfalfa meal (and blood meal) are extremely fast acting as far as organics go and IMO, are better utilized in spring or during the primary growing season. Excess nitrogen applications - and alfalfa meal is pretty much all nitrogen - can also inhibit root growth, which is the entire purpose of fertilizing in fall


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RE: Preparing for spring...can I add alfalfa to beds now?

Interesting points that you make GGal. The one that I had been wondering about the most, was that alfalfa meal might be fast acting. I don't have a lot of experience with fertilizers. I barely ever fertilize with anything more than compost or Fish Emulsion, but the one and only time I used alfalfa last spring, I was amazed at the difference on my roses and so quickly too. It was very noticeable from previous years.


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