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Posted by mwoods (My Page) on Fri, Nov 20, 09 at 9:18
| I wake my brain every morning with a couple of puzzles in the paper,one being the cryptogram. Yesterday was one by Ghandi and I'm still trying to figure out exactly what he was saying. He was not a sarcastic man and if he were,then it would be easy to know what he meant. Here is his quote.
"Joy lies in the fight,in the attempt,in the suffering involved,not in the victory." |
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| the man deserves a correct spelling of his name..Gandhi. |
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| He means only then can you see your true mettle. For me the closest example is staying my last semester of university. Sure I worked hard all of the time there, but when it came to that last semester, and life was crumbling around me, I worked doubly hard to finish. I still feel the joy well up when I think of the victory in staying when I could've quit like a hot knife through butter. The fight I had in me, the suffering I endured. That's how I see it. But those are just my eyes! P.S. I spelled Irena Sendler's name wrong and I thought the same, Robin! She deserves her name spelled correctly. |
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The joy is in the effort, not necessarily in the outcome?
Like a runner's high. |
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| Reminds me of 'it's not the destination, but the journey' |
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| boy did I ever miss the boat on that one. I have read so much about Gandhi I was thinking totally in terms of India's fight for freedom and Gandhi's pacifism. You are both right of course. It had nothing at all to do with war and fighting. |
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- Posted by lilod NoCal/8 (My Page) on
Fri, Nov 20, 09 at 10:15
| it is the process, the challenge and the total involvement that brings satisfaction, the "yes I can" attitude |
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| The endorphins come from the doing. Afterward, when the doing is done, all that's left is an afterglow. The afterglow is nice, but pales in contrast with the what the doing produces. |
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| Do you all find that with your gardening? I do. The planning in the winter,the tilling,the planting of seeds etc. bring more pleasure I think then when it's all finished and blooming. |
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| Yes, and no.........With the vegetable garden (my focus) harvesting and eating is continual all through the spring/summer and fall season, but then comes the canning and the eating and that progresses in an endless circle until we're planting again next spring. I see the same circle in my floral crops since I am already planting for next spring in the g'houses and actually ordered my seeds for next year early last summer. It's that wonderful circle of life and there is no beginning or end. To me, it's an affirmation of the circle of life where there isn't finite beginning or end. That's why I find gardening/farming so satisfying. |
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| I think that is why my garden will never be "done", My guy has said something about how long until I am done with all my garden projects and I said that won't happen, because it is always a work in progress. He looked at me like I was insane or that he is in trouble LOL |
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| I think Thanksgiving is a good example. There is no end to what we will do to make it a success, even cook and pack it and travel across the country with it if we have to. It is all a series of ritualistic dances, the menue, the shopping list, the shopping, the storing of what was bought until time, the orchestration of putting it all together, wheedling here or there to get a dish brought that will fit with the menu, arrive on time, be edible; beginning the day before, cooking ahead where you can, cleaning out the fridge between dumping what was in the way and before you begin accumulating the finished products or the sets of ingredients you will combine at some moment certain; the table, the arrangement of the table, the decision of who to sit where, do you set up an extra table for more elbow room, can you do it in one room, or will it be two and suffer the loss of conversation and visiting? How to share one oven with
a roasting turkey and the dressing and the pies and the old fashioned candied yams, a timeless quest done differently up and down your street...and gradually, all the pieces are put together under one roof, the guests, the food, the seating, the menu, the table(s)... Ahhhhhh And 15 minutes later all you got is leftovers to find room for and dirty dishes everywhere you look. Yes, we do it every year, yes, we will do it again, insist on it, wait for it, plot it, scheme for it... and yes,
victory will still be those leftovers and those dishes. |
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