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Posted by
david_5311 Z 5b/6a SE Mich (
My Page) on
Sat, Jun 26, 04 at 19:28
| Well, most of the group 3 summer flowering clematis are now in full stride. And in the light of morning on a storybook perfect day (75 degree high, those little puffy clouds), the lavendar blue clematis fairly sing. Three of my favorites, Roguchi left and Perle D'Azur center right
And in this photo, Perle D'Azur shown with Betty Corning right. Even though Betty suffered some 'volume loss' in a storm 3 weeks ago, she is still blooming her head off.
PerlD'Azur is not especially long blooming for me, even as a very well established plant of 7-8 years, but the other 2 bloom for months on end. |
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| Wow! Thanks for posting more pictures of your beautiful clematis, what a great way to start my day! :o) |
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| Oooh, pretty. I just put in a Roguchi this spring, and it's great to see a picture of a more mature specimen. How old is your Roguchi? What type of support do you use for this one? Mine has been blooming for over a month and has about a dozen blooms on it now. I think it's finally settled in because it's just starting to send out lots of healthy looking lateral shoots from all the leaf nodes. I didn't expect quite so many flowers and shoots the first year. |
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| This Roguchi is maybe 7-8 years old, and growing in a 6' obelisk. An obelisk about 5-7' tall is perfect for a mature Roguchi. It will grow up through the center then out through the sides, mingling with other plants. You may need to 'graduate' the obelisks as the plant gets bigger. |
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Just gorgeous David! What is that very pretty chartreuse foliage to the left of PerlD'Azur? Is that a Sambucus? What a lovely combination.
Jackie |
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| Sambucus 'Sutherland Gold'. Great plant. Wants to get a bit too big for this spot, but I cut it way back every year. I will know to give it more space in my new garden. |
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| Wonderful plants David. I definitely want to get alot more clematis. Right now, I only have 3 - Comtesse de Bouchaud, Sweet Autumn, and Blue Boy. I am so sad - I planted the Blue Boy last year and altho it was small, it quickly became on of my favorite plants. This year I was so excited as I had 8 stems that grew up. Then it got hit with clematis wilt and the whole thing shriveled up within a week or so. I noticed that I have some new shoots growing now, so at least I didn't lose the plant, but I have to cut it back to the ground, so I don't know how much of a show I'll get this year. One thing I discovered tho is that my 5' obelisk is no where near big enough for it! I had to wire on a bamboo pole to the top as the plant was about 3 feet above the top of the obelisk. I printed out a pic of yours that shows your obelisks and I am going to have Bobby build me one so I have it for next year. Love the blues especially, so your photos are a treat. Lisa |
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| David, you just post the most inspiring pictures!! Got my first bloom on a Pearl D'Azur a couple of days ago..can't wait till it's older and covered in blooms like yours! I've got mine planted with Pearly Gates, a pink climbing rose. I planted Roguchi 3 years ago with my Russian Sage...so far it's working, but have to wonder about the long term..sounds like it's going to outgrow the Russian Sage. |
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| ... I will be getting a clematis very soon. This is too much! |
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| Gorgeous photos David! How long does your Perle D'azur bloom for? Do you grow Clematis 'Prince Charles'? I was wondering if that cultivar has a longer bloom time than Perle D'azur-they often say these 2 Clems are very similar. |
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- Posted by jvwel z5/6 ONT (My Page) on
Sat, Jul 10, 04 at 16:51
| Beautiful! Your clematis' are wonderful. Perle is supposed to bloom J/A/S, could it be that it requires more sun? Monique, I grow P. Charles although it is only my second summer with him. He has already reached about 7 feet tall, full and I mean full of blooms. He has been in bloom for about 3 weeks now and isn't showing any decline. There are also more buds forming. I think he's going to be a winner. The bloom time is the same as Perle J/A/S so we will see if its just sparadic blooms later in the season or if he is still producing strongly. Also blooms right from the bottom of the vine. Apparently its only half of the size of Perle growing upto 8 ft. I have linked a picture of Prince Charles from the International Clematis Society web page. |
Here is a link that might be useful: http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/clematis/web52.jpg
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| I do indeed grow Prince Charles, Monique, it is a wonderful plant. It is similar to PdA in the general shape of the flower and nodding habit but it is a much longer bloomer, and in our climate probably a better overall garden plant. It has several cycles of bloom, unlike PdA, which even as a mature plant only has one 2-3 week bloom for me. Prince Charles is my best clematis shrub pairing to date, shown here with Viburnum 'Summer Snowflake' 
And this was only the year after planting this clematis with the viburnum. |
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| Gorgeous pictures, as always David. I think my favorite of all time, however, is this pic of your Sambucus and clematis, although I do recall a pic of "the reds" I think it was called, that made me weak in the knees too! Always a real pleasure looking at your photos...Thanks for sharing! Eileen |
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| David, I just adore the Viburnum Summer Snowflake with Clematis Prince Charles! I have this Viburnum, so if I can just find PC locally, I'll be all set. I might have to order online instead. I found 'Mrs Robert Brydon' this year, so I copied your Hydrangea paniculata combo with that Clem (my first foray into shrub-Clematis pairings instead of a structure). |
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| oh my gosh, David, the flowers are exceptionally beautiful. It gives me hope to keep trying to grow clematis in my yard. I've found if I plant them in a gallon container and then in the yard works best for me. I'm goint to look for one of these varieties this next planting season. |
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| Yes indeed, I think the practice of growing on clematis in pots to a 2-3 gallon size works very well. That's what I do. |
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| David, how big does your Sambucus 'Sutherland Gold' grow? Do you think it would do well in a mostly pink, purple, and blue bed; or do you think it would clash? I've been toying with the idea of planting one of those in my front bed with a 'Morden Centennial' rose - in front of 2 Emerald Green Arborvitaes, but I've never seen one in person. Here's a picture and plan of my bed: |
Here is a link that might be useful: Need Some Bones for My Bed
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| Even with every other year coppicing, Sutherland Gold for me gets about 12' tall. It is not a small plant. It would look good with anything in the blue-lavendar-purple range. I think it would look fine with pinks too, maybe better with strong pinks or magenta. |
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| 12' tall???!!! How wide does it get? In all the pictures for the Black Beauty variety, the Sutherland Gold plants are so much lower that I figured they must be about 3' tall. What do you do to prepare your beds for planting? You mentioned that on a different post - I'm not sure which one. Thanks,
Sharon |
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| Sutherland Gold is more tree like than other forms of S. nigra. It is hard for me to say what is "normal" because I coppice mine. But it gets about 6-8' wide. It is narrow and tall, maybe a little arching. I have seen others that are fairly tall too. My soil prep is good topsoil on top of clay in raised beds. I have used lots of other concoctions over the years, manures, alfalfa, greensand, bonemeal, rock phosphate, eye of newt, ;o) etc... I am one person who does believe in the intelligent use of fertilizers. Clematis and roses require them, absolutely, other plants can benefit from them too in some circumstances. I usually go organic (i.e. the above), but sometimes in busy or lazy springs (me, not the spring), I use osmocote/Flowertone on clematis too. I do have good soil, and I think that is the secret to having a good garden. |
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| David, So, what shrubs do you have planted around the Sutherland Gold - especially the one that the Roguchi is climbing? Thanks,
Sharon |
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| That Roguchi is in a clematis cage, basically a fat obelisk. There are no other shrubs in this border except roses. The clematis all grow in obelisks, then spread out into the border. The one exception is Perle D'Azur which is on an arch along with honeysuckles and golden hops. |
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| That roguchi is really intersting looking....... |
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| And the clematis plants have such nice-looking foliage, too. So, would you be interested in giving me some advice on my yard?
I know you have SO much to plan in your own new yard right now... Sharon |
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| OMG hydrangea paniculata and a clematis.. what a fantastic idea.. we've got just such a hydrangea at the house.. and I never know what to "do" with clematis. Now.. which one... |
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Gosh I love this thread! I'm glad it's been brought back to the top so I can drool again!
: ) |
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| I have Prince Charles growing through a weeping japanese maple. So far it's worked out quite well. 
Sue |
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| David, I have enjoyed reviewing your pics of clematis again. Jackie o I too am glad it is back at the top. David I hope to see more pictures from this summer. Good job, thanks Yardrat |
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Hi Sue- do you plan on adding a trellis for Prince Charles? I have a Japanese Maple that Has only been at my home for two years. it's a bit small right now and I look forward to seeing it mature. The Clematis looks delicate and I have a few that are very vigorous. Is the Prince Charles an airy example of Clematis?
TL |
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| No, TL, no trellis. Prince Charles is a fairly small clematis and gets pruned back to the ground in spring. The maple will act as a living trellis of sorts. Sue |
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| May I have some clarification? Do you mean that you plant the container right into the ground and leave it like that forever or that you grow the clematis in the container for a few months and then plant it? I'm new to this plant and will be trying some this spring. Thanks! Alicate |
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| No, you plant the clematis in a container first, grow it on for a year or two, or at least a season, then plant it out in the garden (OUT of the container) after that. The purpose of growing the plant on in a container at first is so that it can get adequate moisture, fertilizer, TLC from you while in the container, put on some good root mass, before it goes out into the garden to fend for itself. Clematis just establish MUCH better when they are good sized plants when planted out in the garden, 2-5 gallon size, rather than the 2-4" pots in which you often buy clematis. I will commonly even take a 1 gallon clematis in spring, put it in a 2-3 gallon container with some osmocote, and grow it like that till fall, then plant it out in October (I have found that clematis do very well with fall planting). That is not to say it is impossible to directly plant out a tiny clematis. but for me the up-potting method works very well. And often I haven't decided where the plant is going yet anyway, so it buys some time. It lets you look at its bloom characteristics a little before you give it a home. One other recommendation, plant the crown 3-4" deeper than the soil level every time you plant the plant. So a 4" pot gets planted in a bigger pot 3-4" below the soil level, and again bury the crown 3-4" when you plant it out. |
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| Thanks David! I'm going to do that. Great suggestion! |
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- Posted by jvwel z5/6 ONT (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 9, 05 at 21:46
Thought I'd move this up so we don't lose it. Love this
combo! |
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| Hi, I came to this forum, cruisin' around for plant combos. David, I hope this looks as good this year for you as last year's display. I've been semi-planning to put clematis with a shrub, maybe with my Korean Spice Carlessi. How exactly do you dig a rather deep hole needed when planting the clematis next to an established shrub, considering the shrubs roots...how far away from the base of the shrub? |
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| No offense to Prince Charles, lovely indeed, but have you seen Princess Diana? Fantastic shape similar to Roguchi,but hot pink with pale pink strip and lovely foliage. cheers Sue P.S. wonderful pics! |
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- Posted by alicate SW Michigan, zone 5 (My Page) on
Thu, Jan 7, 10 at 13:40
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