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| Some pictures from today. Two gardens, first my long established one
And now the new one. A woodland that I am just beginning to "see". I have had some tentative paths in my head, have been walking them since spring, some primary ones at least. And yesterday some fellows spreading dirt for me also spread out a huge pile of woodchips, to my directions, to define these earliest woodland paths. What fun it was, directing the Bobcat operators, on-site designing on such a large scale.
The woodland begins to become a garden, it is like magic what a path can do. I was almost euphoric. I like the Jens Jensen-esque simplicity of it. Who knows, maybe even I can reform, LOL. And I didn't even need Sue's tape measure ;o) |
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| David I'm so excited for you! I'm so glad we have GardenWeb to share this experience with you. Your two gardens reminds me of my recurring dream. I've been having this dream every so often for about 10 years now. I live somewhere and have a garden, but suddenly someone tells me that I own another garden nearby! I go to see it and it's chock full of everything I've ever wanted, and, being a dream, everything is blooming together even though they wouldn't like peonies and hydrangeas. Maybe it was an omen because last year I lived it in a way when I hadn't sold the old house yet and was moving plants for months. I hope you enjoy your two gardens as much as I did/do mine : ) |
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| Yikes! How strange to see the KMOTGG doing so well in your garden! Of course I love it all. Gee, I'd still be torn to simply leave your new space with paths only. I know, impossible. But your photos are so pretty. Hi Jess! |
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- Posted by david_5311 Z 5b/6a SE Mich (My Page) on Mon, Sep 6, 04 at 6:30
| Yes Marie, thanks Marie, KMOTGG is suoer!!! 8' tall, 2 big clumps, no staking required. VERY showy. The JB beetles like it too so it suffered for most of July and August. But now it is going great guns. Everybody who stops by asks about it. |
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- Posted by Video_Garden z3/4 Montreal (My Page) on Mon, Sep 6, 04 at 13:59
| In the woods, I see a swamp of daylilies... Maybe just like the one I want, called "Lake Effect?" & As usual, your photo's are beautiful! |
Here is a link that might be useful: http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/daylily/hpgal0803044724501.jpg
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| David, those pictures are so pretty. Your garden is just stunning, and it still looks so fresh even though it is September. It looks like your new place is quickly shaping up. How lucky you are to be have the woods on your property. I can only imagine what you have in mind for this garden. If you and Marie don't mind me asking, what is KMOTGG? Is it the beautiful tall plant with the fuschia colored flowers? |
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- Posted by david_5311 Z 5b/6a SE Mich (My Page) on Mon, Sep 6, 04 at 21:25
| KMOTGG -- Kiss me over the garden gate, Polygonum (Persicaria) orientale. A self seeding annual. I got seed from Marie last November, kept it over the winter, and by August there are 8' blooming plants, stars of the fall border. Some said these were weeds, so be warned, but they sure are gorgeous. No staking despite the height. And I have to comment: ...."even though it is September"...... In my garden, September is one of the bloomiest months of the year. Though I have said it before, I'll say it again, I firmly believe that gardens which peak later in the season have more lasting effect throughout the season. The two borders above(from my "old garden") have a May lull after the bulb season, enough June bloomers to be effective, then have a gradual crescendo from July and August into September and October. I wouldn't have it any other way. |
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| David, even I wouldn't need a tape measure with 6 acres to play with-lol. The paths look great, BTW-they just define the space and give you a destination. The first thing I though of when I saw the pictures was a few words from the famous Robert Frost poem, "The Road Not Taken" "Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, Is that one Sweet Autumn clematis growing on the fence? I can't get that plant to thrive for me. Do you have a picture of your variegated Sanguisorba right now? Mine has turned into a flopping monster of at least 6 feet in part shade-not at all the plant I envisioned. I remember seeing yours back in July growing at a manageable size in considerable shade. So far no bloom yet either. Sue |
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- Posted by david_5311 Z 5b/6a SE Mich (My Page) on Tue, Sep 7, 04 at 13:13
| Hi Sue. That is indeed one Sweet Autumn Clematis. It is a monster, like a giant blob, burying everything in its path. I love it. Exuberance to beat the band. It is maybe 6-7 years old but I moved it here about 3 years ago. The crown is in fairly dense shade too, and it never gets any extra water. I think clematis just really like growing in raised beds on top of clay. They thrive. Growing them in even amended sandy soil will be a new experience, I fear they might not do as well.. I am planting some more hemlocks as screening plants, and you would be proud of me -- I have spaced them 15-18 feet apart, irregularly staggered. They are not planted yet but will be in a week or two. I had to pace out the spacing though -- your tape was only 12', too short ;o). That sanguisorba actually looks pretty good right now. It is just starting to make flower buds. A bit lopsided, but I will take a picture of it. Some of my other sanguisorbas growing in full sun get very tall and floppy. So far, I like straight S. menziesii best, though I can see that it might seed a bit too much. I am amazed about the paths too. After the trees and the contour of the land, they are the defining element in a woodland garden like this. It's funny, I too thought of that Robert Frost poem looking at the fork in the path. And I just knew when I walked this space, over and over, that there would be a fork there. It will make a loop in the back of the garden, so the two forks will become one. I have had some second thoughts about this whole undertaking in the past few months, selling and building, leaving my garden, all of it. But once I saw these basic paths laid out, I knew I was doing the right thing. Now to just convince my wife of that.... |
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- Posted by LisaZone6_MA z6 MA (My Page) on Tue, Sep 7, 04 at 13:44
| All I can say is wow! I have one tree on my property - a lonely old maple tree in the very back corner of my yard and I call the area I planted underneath it my "woodland glade" LOL!! All the best for you in your new garden David. I really think your woods look lovely just the way they are. You, of course, can certainly improve them! I wouldn't know where to begin! This will be a fun adventure for the rest of us - getting to see your gardens progressing from the very first steps will be wonderful inspiration for the rest of us. Lisa |
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- Posted by david_5311 Z 5b/6a SE Mich (My Page) on Tue, Sep 7, 04 at 18:20
Since I have given you all a little update on my new garden, I will share a sad picture too. I put this on the Idylls and the Trees forum to ask for advice, but thought you all might like to see this too. One of my 2 patriarch black cherries, and the one that will be the primary focal point of the garden behind the house, was hit by lightning in a bad storm a week ago. I could see this giant gash in the tree from the road, easily 500' away. The bark was ripped of the tree, about a foot wide by 3-4" deep by 40' long. The arborists on the trees forum tell me it should be OK. And it could have been much worse. Still very sobering to see what can happen to a tree that is easily 150-200 years old. Yes, weather can often affect and even shape a garden in ways we don't expect. All part of the saga I guess. |
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| David, sad to see the cherry but you're right it's part of the journey. It's sobering when nature shows us we're not in charge, whether it's a 1/4 acre or several acres. I loved the paths, they just invite you to take a walk. It will certainly be interesting to see the gardens develop. |
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| David, you have a sophisticated and elegant eye, and your gardens appeal to me both aesthetically, and emotionally. Just beautiful. |
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- Posted by Veronicastrum z5 IL (My Page) on Wed, Sep 8, 04 at 17:08
| David, you continue to inspire me! After our July weekend, seeing your property and the Wilkens' garden, I decided that the degraded woodland near our house really needs to be turned into a woodland garden. This winter I will start working on clearing out the scrub trees such as buckthorn and honeysuckle. And you are right, the paths really seem to move it from the unimaginable to the possible. I now know what step two needs to be! On a slightly different note, we hosted a tour of our wetlands a couple of weeks ago and right on cue, a couple of blue herons landed in a dead tree on the far side of the wetlands. Last week, a strong storm (possibly the same one you had) took down the dead tree. Yes, it was a dead tree, but still sad to lose the perch for the herons. V. |
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| V, I'm so glad you share your wetland experience with others! Sorry about the tree. We lose them all the time and yet it still hits me hard. I try to plant enough young trees and shrubs that the landscape will still be treed when I am no longer here. As for the herons, they stick around as long as there is water. There's a rookery not far away. |
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| David: What a gift! I'm a unsure about whether you are coming or going on this property but I've had the pleasure of inheriting a woodland gardeners garden and there is something sort of sacred for the first year or so to just tend a place that was so lovingly put together. You watch the light and sun and get a feel for everything. Then, my own tastes set in and all those slug bitten ligularias were outta here to make way for viburnum, kalmia, rhodies, dogwoods. We had so much rain this year that who can say what is normal. We live on top of a 100 ft bluff overlooking 50 acres of woods and a river so you'd think it would drain. This afternoon I measured 4 inches of standing water in a bed on top of a slope. And the smaller woodland trees have gone wild - Sassafras growing 20 ft in one season and getting in the way of everything. Its funny to me to think about pruning and maintaining a woodland garden. Just a lot like deadheading perennials, only the stalks need a bigger tool. One of my favorite inherited beds is a large mass of Leucoethoe fontanesia "Rainbow". It is wonderful to look out at those red tips in the snow in February. Andrea |
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- Posted by david_5311 Z 5b/6a SE Mich (My Page) on Wed, Sep 8, 04 at 22:10
| Ah Andrea, it sounds like you and I share very similar plant tastes. I have planted many rhodies, azaleas, kalmias, pieris, halesias, dogwoods, redbuds. To begin to gently augment the understory. Very similar plant palette to yours. |
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- Posted by DeniseZ10 SoCal (botanizeme@aol.com) on Fri, Sep 10, 04 at 1:53
| David, I'm so glad you're taking the leap. What horticultural courage. Your talent as a gardener absolutely requires your new home. (You may quote me to your wife!) I'm just enjoying reading the lists of plants that are going in. But I do agree that there's something so beautifully stark about the path through the woods. Shouldn't be gussied up too much, I'd think. (She said, who knows nothing at all about woodland gardening.) |
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- Posted by david_5311 Z 5b/6a SE Mich (My Page) on Fri, Sep 10, 04 at 7:58
| Thanks all. I certainly agree that the path and the woodland have a simple quiet beauty which needs to be respected. One of the things that putting in this path has done is given me other ideas abut how to develop a garden and still respect the woods. The area to the right of the path in the first picture goes up an east facing slope to where the house will be, a distance of 50-75'. I think that this will be the area that I will mainly be planting first, and that I will "allow" non-native plants. The east facing slope will be a wonderful area for hellebores, cyclamen, lots of shrubs and other herbaceous plants. Most if not all of the woodland farther from the house will be"gardening" stewardship, removal of invasives (there aren't many, happily), "gentle augmentation" of the understory with plants native to eastern North America. |
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- Posted by LisaZone6_MA z6 MA (My Page) on Fri, Sep 10, 04 at 9:04
| Veronicastrum - (I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know!) - My husband's cousin owns 80 acres of woods in Maine on the Saco River. I've only been there a few times, but being the city girl that I am I just love tramping around the woods up there as I never, ever get to see anything like that. I found that my favorite parts always seemed to be areas that surrounded "dead" trees that had fallen. They became encrusted with the most gorgeous mosses, loads of interesting mushrooms and other fungus, ferns, etc. So your fallen dead tree is just preparing itself for the next stage and hopefully will still add to your woodlands, so don't feel too bad :) Lisa |
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| i didn't trust my friend Zephirine that such a garden could exist,today i can say "je l'ai vu"!!! absoluteeeeeely wonderfuuuuuul! |
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- Posted by sammie070502 PNW z8 (My Page) on Fri, Apr 29, 05 at 15:00
| Sorry, I just had to bump this up 'cause I like looking at the pix. |
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| I'm glad you did bump it up. After a long winter lull, I logged back on. I didn't see any posts from David (not that I read every answer to every one) What do we bet he's been out in the garden? Thanks for the pictures. |
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- Posted by twixanddud z5/6 SE Mich (My Page) on Wed, Jun 29, 05 at 20:43
| Bump. David, we miss you here on GW! |
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- Posted by flowersandthings MidAtlantic 6/7 (My Page) on Sat, Jul 2, 05 at 21:05
| Love your woods path. I just love a walk in the woods. And love your arbor. I love foggy days don't you? :) |
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| I'm kicking this back up for the seasonal relevance. David, where are you? Sue |
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- Posted by david_5311 Z 5b/6a SE Mich (My Page) on Tue, Sep 20, 05 at 11:36
| Hi Sue and friends. These two posts from Sue appeared in my email, so I decided to come back and look at them and to say hello. We sold this house in June, and at this point the garden seems almost a distant memory. I did drive by the house last week. Sweet Autumn clematis was blooming its little head off (a no care plant once established), but the front borders were full of weeds, and I did not get to see the back at all. It makes me sad to look at the pictures again and realize that the garden that was, my past garden of nearly 20 years, is no longer and never will be again. :o( As far as the new garden, and house, well that is a very long and complicated story, beyond the scope of the forum (though I might put a post on the Idylls, check there). Let's just say that I have been and am going through some major life upheavals, and I have not as a result really gotten started on the new garden. Maybe never will, at this house anyway, though I know I will again have a garden. But for the first time in nearly 25 years, I have been without a garden this year. It is very strange to reflect on that. There is a big void, though I have to say that not having that huge amount of work has been a very appealing thing. So maybe a smaller garden will be in my future. Anyway, Hi Sue and all and thanks for bringing this back up and letting me, too, look at it again. How life can change without us sometimes expecting it. Makes us all want to really appreciate the present....smell the roses indeed. David |
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| :-) (((David))) |
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| Hi David, it's good to hear from you. When I look at my garden this autumn I see so many plants that are there because you recommended them here on this forum. You may not be gardening at the moment but hats off still to one great gardener and a really great person too. Eden |
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- Posted by The_Shady_Lady z6 CT (My Page) on Wed, Sep 21, 05 at 6:48
| Hi David, I've been missing your inspiring posts. My garden now contains many of the plants you've recommended. My agastache and helianthus are glorious right now. Over the summer, George (EGO45) talked me into buying a Salix purpurea "Nana" simply because you suggested it! Thanks for checking in. We all miss you here. |
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- Posted by chloehoover z6b VA (My Page) on Wed, Sep 21, 05 at 9:21
| I think we can safely say, David, that if you do not actually have a garden yourself, you have in fact planted "gardens" for many of us -- which we enjoy and think of you and your recommendations -- so perhaps your gardens have indeed spread -- you just can't see them at the moment. Good luck to you and I hope things smooth out and you soon will have the time and opportunity to enjoy planting some new gardens. -Cindy |
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| Hi David-I miss your posts! Take care and check back whenever you can! Monique |
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- Posted by drema_dianne z6OH (My Page) on Wed, Sep 21, 05 at 17:09
| Hi David. Good to hear from you. Your gardens are beautiful and I'm glad Sue helped us revisit them. Your gardens were one of the first ones to inspire me to try to expand my garden. I have to agree with what Cindy said. I have two hellebores because you said they were a good plant, plus many others. I look forward to seeing you post again! Drema |
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- Posted by david_5311 Z 5b/6a SE Mich (My Page) on Wed, Sep 21, 05 at 22:10
| I just wanted to stop by and say thank you again to those in these two posts who have offered words of friendship and encouragement. Cindy, I think that your comments that 'your gardens have spread....you just can't see them at the moment' is one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me. I will still post a little more about this on the idylls when I have a chance, since I did learn a lot about selling a garden, and even more what it means to garden at all. Thanks, David. |
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| David, I want to add to what the others have said. I have really missed your posts and gardening comments and those beautiful pictures to make it all come to life for us. I have saved several for reference...you have touched so many lives with your garden, you should be very proud. I hope everythings gets resolved in a satisfactory manner for you and you can get back to gardening, even a tiny one. It is great therapy, as, I am sure, you know. Best wishes from the lower Midwest. gld |
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- Posted by shadygrove z7 VA (My Page) on Fri, Oct 7, 05 at 7:14
| David, you sound subdued. Let me just add my "Welcome Back"! in whatever form you can come back--even if you're not posting inspiring pictures of developed gardens, your taste, knowledge and generosity have been missed and its nice to hear from you again. |
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| just bumping this up. |
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