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Posted by rouge21 5b (My Page) on Mon, Jan 30, 12 at 16:06
I noticed this 'new' Cranesbill while surfing. I am not sure about its hardiness but it's colour and long bloom time are impressive.
I then did a search and I see that coolplantsguy started a thread from January 2010 where only a very brief mention was made of this same Geranium but that is the only post I could find on GW in the past year re this geranium.
I assume it made it to NAmerica this past summer. Did any of you try it? If so what were your impressions? |
Here is a link that might be useful: Geranium Havana Blues
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RE: Havana Blues?
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| They just say large flower. If they could give the size of the plant why did they not give the size of the flower. The pic resembles Rozanne which also blooms June until frost. Is it the same plant with a new name? Interesting....I will see if we have it here yet this summer. I love geraniums. |
RE: Havana Blues?
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| Yes that is my "concern" ie is it really just a Rozanne? I do have one Rozanne and it is a bloom machine but I would like a similar bloomer but in a less sprawling more compact size. |
RE: Havana Blues?
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| It will be similar to 'Rozanne', but different enough. It is from Dutch breeder Marco Van Noort, and he certainly does not want to repeat the "mistake" of 'Jolly Bee'. 'Havana Blues' is the first of what I expect to be a few "new & improved" forms with long-blooming blue flowers. True blue, bi-colour and improved habit/form are his objectives. See website below. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Marco Van Noort's Nursery
RE: Havana Blues?
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| looks like another wallichianum type but is, i think, more of a clump former. I got it last year so it is still very new for me. Lovely veining in the flower but the length of bloom time is around the same as Rozanne. |
RE: Havana Blues?
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I hope it it is just like JOllybee but different enough from Rozanne so the grower doesn't get in patent trouble again. Jolly Bee was not like Rozanne, and I grew them side by side. If I can find a clumping blue/purple like Jolly Bee I'd gladly pay a new release higher price.
It is being sold by Lazy S; very good mail order nursery by the way.
idabean |
RE: Havana Blues?
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| I thought the consensus was that overall "Jolly Bee" and "Rozanne" are very similar...little to choose between the two of them. In any event I have been told on good authority that "HB" blooms less than "JB" but the flowers are bigger, lighter blue and dark veined. "HB" will reach a height of between 30 cm to 40 cm whereas "JB" is generally (much) taller i.e. 50 to 60 cm. |
RE: Havana Blues?
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| I guess we'd have to locate where the consensus is. Honest, I really did grow them side by side. The white center of JB was more pronounced,but I couldn't see it unless the blossoms were side by side. And JB clumped and didn't sprawl. For garden use that difference in habit was significant. However, I recall that genetically the plants could not be distinguished from one another. And that was the deciding factor and the JB breeder lost the patent case and a whole lot of money.
So I'm seeking out Havana Blues. Anyone else likely to try it? Why? Idabean |
RE: Havana Blues?
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| Ida, my nearby independent nursery lists HB for this season. I will buy one for sure hoping that it is smaller and more compact than my "Rozanne". |
RE: Havana Blues?
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As soon as I saw the picture, I thought it looks like my Jolly Bee and Rozanne. I grow them both, not side by side, and I picked a flower from each one to compare. My flowers look almost exactly the same. Both are big time sprawlers here, and both pretty much bloom from late Spring until the frost kills them. Jolly Bee is in a perfect spot but Rozanne may need to be moved. She tumbles and covers everything in her path.
she is in a mixed perennial bed and that causes problems with my shorter plants. I also have what I think is a species Cranebill, given to me by my next door neighbor. It has gotten too big for the spot it's in, and it keeps increasing in size and sends out new plants, as well as seeding itself all over the yard. I'm planning on buying Orkney Cherry to replace it. I'll be anxous to read about what you who purchase HB think about it at the end of the season. Linda |
RE: Havana Blues?
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| I did a search and there seems to be conflict. Some say spreader some do not say at all but say it is 4' wide. That wide sounds to me as a spreader. |
RE: Havana Blues?
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| marquest wrote: Some say spreader some do not say at all but say it is 4' wide. That wide sounds to me as a spreader. I agree 4 feet would be for all intents and purposes a 'spreader' but according to the developer of Havana Blues: "It is clump forming, 30 to 40 cm tall". I have my fingers crossed that it is smaller and more compact than Rozanne/JB. |
RE: Havana Blues?
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| I forgot to add that Van Noort has written that an adult "HB" will have a diameter of 50 to 60 cm...this sounds very much 'clumping' to me. |
RE: Havana Blues?
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| So in inches that is about 3' x 2 1/2 feet. I was getting the sizes that the vendors that are selling stated. I am sure growth will be variable from from zone to zone. Why don't they make it easy and say Clump or groundcover. lol I do not mind sprawling because I love a groundcover that has a long bloom period in the sunny gardens because I do not use mulch and try to find good long blooming groundcovers. |
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| Well overall marquest, as far as I can see i.e. according to the developer, the maximum size in inches of this "HB" geranium is a compact 15" tall by 2 feet wide. And if this is the case AND it is an extended bloomer as it is advertised it will be an outstanding hardy geranium. |
RE: Havana Blues?
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| rouge21, I used a converter because I do not know cm and the sizes I posted was from the cm you posted. I don't know nuthin. lol If people are looking for compact I hope it is compact. It does not matter to me I do not mind either way. |
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