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Who loves Phlox?

Posted by ispahan 6a Chicago (My Page) on
Fri, Jan 27, 12 at 22:10

Hi all,

I love Phlox paniculata and have many fond childhood memories of vases filled with multi-colored phlox on my grandparents' dining room table and the sultry scent of phlox wafting on the humid summer air. Mildew or no mildew, I think it is one of the most beautiful of all perennial flowering plants, especially considering that they provide fragrance and color during what is often the bleakest, hottest and dustiest part of summer.

I have no affiliation with the company below, but I thought many of you would be interesting in learning about it since they offer 75 varieties of phlox this year, many of which are antique or found cultivars available no where else. I have about a dozen different types ordered for spring delivery and I can't wait to incorporate them into my garden. I am especially excited about a found type called "Old Cellarhole" which is reportedly one of the most fragrant of all Phlox and is highly resistant to mildew.

Here is a link that might be useful: Perennial Pleasures Nursery


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Deer love them too, so I stopped growing them years ago.


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Thanks for posting the link. I'm kind of rediscovering phlox and it's fun to see lots of varieties I'm not familiar with including the 5 footers. Wow!

Kevin


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I love all types of phlox. They do add a lot to the garden. I find the deer eat the paniculata in the spring and keep them trimmed down to about a foot, so when they're ready to bloom they're shorter. The deer actually do a lot of pruing for me. Sometimes they're a bit "too helpful" though!

I've been to Perennial Pleasures Nursery and it was a very nice trip. The people were extremely friendly and when I was there they field dug a phlox that I had wanted while I was there. Everything was very healthy and a good size. I'm not sure what size their mail-order plants are.

That was years ago. Your post reminds me I should head back up there!


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I do! (love phlox that is)
They are one of my top 5 plants to grow. For some reason I've never really experienced many mildew issues, but I do tend to just rip out any that even look like they are a little weak in that area. My problem is letting all the self sown seedlings stay. I have to make a strong effort this summer to rip out anything that has either a too-short bloom season or a color that's less than perfect.

I don't like the dumpy little dwarf types though. They probably sell good in bloom at Lowes but they don't make as nice a show in my garden.


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Kato_b, I also not a fan of the stumpy dwarf types. The only one I have is 'Peppermint Twist' since I was intrigued by the color pattern. I only wish it were twice as tall though, since the blooms, though wonderful, look somewhat strange on such squat plants.

Thyme2dig, how wonderful that you were able to visit in person! It must have been quite an experience. Rumor has it that this nursery also has a rare double-flowered Hesperis matronalis in its display gardens. I am not sure if it is available for sale.

Kevin, I agree that the tall phlox are intriguing. Did you notice the found cultivar "Mile High Pink" which is almost six feet tall? I have that one ordered for spring, too.

As for reseeding, I need to be extra diligent about deadheading to prevent unwanted seedlings. I love the magenta color of the seedlings, but their vigor soon overtakes and chokes out the parent cultivars. One solution is to grow sterile, or mostly sterile, cultivars like 'Jeana' which has very tiny florets that are supposed to be irresistible to butterflies! I have this one ordered for spring, too. It is available this year from Plant Delights and Lazy S'S (both excellent sources).


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I actually cannot imagine a decent summer perennial bed without phloxes, because there is nothing really to replace their colours with.

Concerning the link in the first posting: the picture of Wilhelm Kesselring is wrong. From that list I would not recommend following: Blue Paradise(terrible flopper), Dorffreude(rampant grower but VERY prone to mildew), Robert Poore(flopper) , Nicky(flops in rainy wind and do not come up again, burns in sun to white). Caution with David(rampant grower sending long runners), Kirmeslanlder-very healthy and rampant grower but with very running habit, Brigadier- lack of vigour, Hesperis -was without vigour for me.Natasha-rubbish with no will to live, Peppermint Twist-very high rate of reversion to pink, Starfire- slow grower and prone to fungi(black dots)

The ones I WOULD recommend: Miss Pepper, Orange Perfection(it is actually red, slow grower but otherwise easy), Wilhelm Kesselring(very early blooming, there are two other identical varieties but with different blooming times), Jules Sandeau.

I had double Hesperis matronalis, very weak plants for me,probably virussed. Died because I looked at them.


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I haven't checked out all the tall ones yet, but I want to try one for sure. I'm in an experimenting mood, so I definitely will be placing an order with them. Maybe a limit of 5 or so for this year. Thanks again for the link.

Kevin


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Wow they have a bunch of varieties. I want 'John Fanick' badly and they have it but there's a $15 minimum so if I ordered two plus the postage, it would be almost $30. That's over my budget. : (
I have David, Peppermint Twist (reverted), Peacock Purple Bicolor, an unnamed variety with bronze foliage and pinkish flowers, and lots of volunteers from David, only one of which has been white. I've never seen a speck of mildew, not even on the volunteers (so far).
Of those, my reverted Peppermint Twist was the best bloomer last summer and I loved the color. I hope it returns this spring.
I'd love to find John Fanick locally but I doubt that will happen.


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Has anyone ever had a run-in with phlox eelworm? I think that's what caused the most problems with my last big attempt at phlox growing. I actually left them all behind when I moved and started fresh in the new garden. Eelworm causes the tip to die out and as a result the nice bloom heads become distorted clumps of secondary buds and blooms.

I find that seedling quality depends on the parent (hmmmmm... a couple of analogies I can think of here). Some phlox put out alot of interesting seedlings, others are more likely to give a murky pink. But still I totally understand keeping them under control, they do tend to get around.

I think Laura is my most reliable phlox.... taller would be nice though!

Here are some old phlox pictures (I really need to go around and take new pictures this summer). Also I have a few new reds and purples that I'm looking forward to this summer... and a variegated... :)

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I can't imagine a summer garden without phlox. I have Laura and the color repeats in the center of my mountain bluet. I want Blue Paradise and Nicky. I think I can get BP locally still this spring, not sure about Nicky. Thanks for the link!


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Nora Leigh is my favorite. Sturdy, no flopping, no mildew, and the variegated foliage is quite striking all through the year. The flowers are just a bonus.

From Plant Trades


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I planted several BP and Shockwave this past August; of course I need them to survive this first winter to see what they can 'do' this summer.


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What's not to love about tall phlox? The bees & butterflies love them too. I have David, Laura, Blue Paradise, Peppermint Twist and a couple others but definitely have a mildew problem with Laura. It doesn't appear to harm the plant since it has grown larger in size each of the past 4 years. It's getting moved this year to a sunnier spot.

Blue Paradise is generally more violet than blue when the sun is on it but if there's tree cover that shades it for an hour or so, the color changes to more like balloon flower blue. It hasn't shown signs of PM in the two years I've grown it.

I don't think I've got David sited well since it's been growing for 4 years same as Laura and just hasn't performed well at all. I don't normally fertilize anything except annuals so it could be a nutrient deficiency but nothing I've read suggests the plants need supplemental feeding.

gottagarden--that Nora Leigh is spectacular! I received Nora Leigh seeds in a trade and winter sowed them. They sprouted but I'm guessing the flowers won't come true from seed-grown plants. The foliage variegation may not come true either but I figured it was worth a recycled milk jug to find out!!!


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I don't think I've ever seen a better clump of Nora Leigh, it looks great.


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It is so exciting to hear of everyone's experience with phlox. What a beautiful photo of 'Nora Leigh'!


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Gottagarden - Your Nora Leigh looks like it's glowing! Beautiful!
Gardenweed - Let us know if you get anything interesting from your phlox seeds. I winter sowed some seeds from my reverted Peppermint Twist Phlox and today I could see one sprouting. I'm not expecting the same color but maybe I'll get the long bloom time or mildew resistance of the parent at least.


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Okay, I was reading kinda fast because I was so excited, lol, (because I do love phlox!) but didn't anyone mention FRAGRANCE? Ahhhhh.... the best part about 'em!

I've got about six different varieties ranging from red through the pinks and whites to Blue Paradise, which was new last year so I can't make a good judgment yet.

I also got an Orange Perfection years ago, as a free gift with an order, that grows every year and has never bloomed. Perhaps it's not well-sited. I got it when I thought orange was a horrid color and I tucked it away in a corner of the yard - albeit it a full sun corner - and it has never bloomed. At first I didn't care but now that I've amended my ignorant ways and see the vibrant beauty of orange, I do wish it would bloom!

I love to put phlox in bouquets. It is a bit fragile, but it lasts quite long and smells so wonderful. And if there is any PM I just strip off the leaves and enjoy in the vase!

Dee


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christie_sw_mo - I winter sowed my phlox seeds as well. The guy who lives next door has 8 or 10 plants in his garden but since the tags are long gone, it's anybody's guess what varieties they are. They're beautiful and fragrant and he lets me harvest the seeds every year. I get buckets--all his plants produce plenty of seed. None of his have PM either, another reason I make a point of harvesting from them.

I'll be interested this year to see if any of my winter sown plants bloom and, if they do, what color flowers they produce. Costco sells bare-root perennials starting in late February-early March and last year I bought almost a dozen new phlox varieties so I'm hoping those bloom this year as well. One of them was 'Spinners' which has variegated pink & white striped flowers--fingers crossed that one blooms!


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We don't have a Costco here darnit. I want one.

The link below is an evaluation of several phlox cultivars for mildew resistance with comments on fragrance and long bloomers.

Here is a link that might be useful: University of Arkansas - Garden Phlox


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Phlox is not very popular here in the west and there is really not a good reason we don't see more of it grown. When I donate plants in bloom to garden sales, most buyers have never seen it before. Here where we have low summer humidity and seldom any rain, mildew is not a problem for most of us, and I love growing it. Al


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Just wanted to give an update. I received my order from Perennial Pleasures today and it was SUPERB! Gorgeous phlox with multiple stems and excellent roots. I already planted then and they look so healthy and perky. I am so happy to have these new phlox in my garden :-)

Cheers,
Ispahan


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That sounds good! Did you mulch? It got cold here tonight. Just think, it was like summer in March this year. I have been moving quite a few things around before it gets too hot.


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my goodness, I have NEVER seen such a tremendous clump of Norah Leigh- certainly mine looked nothing like (and have been returned to compost). Wieslaw, I have seen (and admired) pics of your phlox - the astoundingly perfect geometry of the leaves and stems is really something (and again, nothing like mine). Hi Isphahahan, good to hear from you here and yep, I am a paid up phlox fan. As for eelworm, this is a bit of an issue but phlox are easily propagated from little root cuttings which are not affected by eelworm so you can keep a rolling cycle of replacements.
And I have not even got going on the woodlanders! Terrific but sadly underused plants.


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Ispahan, there is an ancient(1928) German phlox with a name Schwerins Flagge(Flag of Schwerin), which is 90 cm tall and identical in color to Peppermint Twist. See the link below. It reverts to salmon red sometimes according to the note in German. You can also check Mishenka by the same token, an old Russian variety with the same pattern but in violet/white.

Here is a link that might be useful: Schwerins Flagge


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Thanks for the update Ispahan. Which ones did you order?

A local nursery here had 'Early Start Light Pink' phlox that was blooming and I was using up a gift card. : )
It's a pretty color, very pale pink with a dark pink eye and is supposed to bloom earlier than other phlox. I haven't found many reviews on the Early Start series phlox and don't know yet whether it's going to be mildew resistant. I think they're relatively newish.

I LOVE my reverted Peppermint Twist. It had already reverted when I saw it at a nursery and I bought it anyway. Pretty coral pink color.

Here is a link that might be useful: Phlox 'Early Start Light Pink'


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