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I am Declaring War on Critters

Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on
Sun, Feb 5, 12 at 11:54

I have done a search on the critters that destroyed my gardens last year. Rabbits, Groundhogs, Deer. I am lucky the moles/voles are not a problem. The grubs I got under control, birds are taking care of the bugs.

Following is what I have tried that has worked. But I am asking if any of you have any additional hints or methods you have tried that worked. Suggestion of plants that chase them out, or they do not like (daffodils were even eaten last yr).

Rabbits....Early Spring trim my Barberry bush and rose bushes and lay cuttings around the garden. I have seen them hop in and hop out the garden real fast. This has been my best defense,

Groundhog---Went to my local carpet store and asked for the tac strips layed around plants that I found they loved. Worked for a few months until the plant got big and they could avoid walking on the tacs and get the outside growth. I have to get more tac strips. Poured the kitty litter down their holes and covered it up.

Deer.....Purchased 2 different popular Deer repellents, made the homemade repellents found here at GW. A GW poster also suggested laying wire fencing on the ground and they do not like to walk on for fear of hurting their legs, I discovered I can also put down wooden pallets and when they try to walk across their legs go down between the slats and they will go in another direction.

I have a large property that have 8' fencing and deer jump the fencing. So the pallets, and wire on the ground is placed to stop them before the jump. So you see I have determined deer. Short of shooting them I think I may lose the deer war.
Is anyone willing to add to my weapons war on critters for my garden?


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RE: I am Declaring War on Critters

We feel your pain, Marquest! Plantskydd has worked wonders for the deer, and if we have just an occasional rain, it has lasted over 4 months when I've sprayed it. Got a 'shaker bag' of the granules that we put all around tulips and anything the rabbits and squirrels liked, and that lasted even longer.

My one caution is, if you get the dried product to mix yourself, don't try to mix too much at a time. The nasty stuff floats on top of the cold water and takes forever to incorporate. I put it in a glass jar, put on the lid, then shake, shake, shake.

I have to say, what I had pre-mixed and kept in the glass jar for future use was absolutely putrid smelling when I went to load my sprayer bottle. No wonder it works so well, but it's worth every penny, believe me.


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is trap, relocation and release an option???? .. i hear maryland/va is accepting rodents from dc ... [i think i got that right] ... why not from pa???

havahart works well on groundhog .. and rabbit ... you just have to figure out what to do with them once you catch them ...

once i got a skunk.. i paid money to have a pro come fetch it .... its illegal to relocate them.. but he was licensed for extermination ... i am sorry.. i dont feel guilty about that with a skunk ...

i hear rabbit tastes just like chicken .... but i dont know about woodchuck.. try this link:

http://www.google.com/search?q=gropundhog+recipes+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&a q=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firef ox-a&hs=pE8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&ei=Ds8uT66_G4GkgwfzwIz 9Dw&ved=0CBsQvwUoAQ&q=groundhog+recipes&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw. r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=64bab776de794869&biw=1080&bih=952

bet you didnt contemplate eating them.. rotflmbo ....

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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No Ken I did not contemplate eating them but I have a friend that looked at me when I was ranting one day and said...."Venison is delicious" wink, wink, lol

hudsonriverbug, thank you for the Plantskydd suggestion that was one I did not have on the list.


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The only thing that works for me is an electric fence. One silver strand at about 30" off the ground. The deer touch it with their noses first and get a shock. This has worked for three years now. Nothing else ever did. Denise


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I'll absolutely second Plant Skydd. I use the liquid as well as the granules. Liquid (which is quite gross) works well for the deer and the granules for the smaller critters. I haven't found much else works on the deer, except hunters who gladly come to my area to hunt. They got a handful this year, but when I see herds of 12 show up in the garden I know I'm outnumbered.


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We have hoards of rabbits, chipmunks, moles, woodchucks and even raccoons. We've caught many unintended critters in our Havahart trap. It's illegal to transport them, but not illegal to kill them. We do release skunks, birds and the occasional opossum. With skunks, just put a towel over the trap, carry it off into the woods (or wherever), open the door and after a long wait, the skunk will come out. If it can't see you, it won't spray. The only thing that has really made a difference is putting our vegetable garden off limits with a wire fence sunk a foot below ground level and chicken wire over the bottom 3 feet of fencing, since woodchucks can climb if the fence is rigid. The chicken wire is saggy and the 'chuck doesn't like the feeling of insecurity. Nevertheless, we still get large holes in the flower garden, so I know they're still hoping to make entrance and exit holes. Nasty beasts. As for rabbits, blood meal sprinkled around my tulips helps if I remember to replenish it after a rain. We fight the moles with an impaler thingy sunk into their tunnels, but you have to be extremely persistent to actually get one. We had many moles last year for some reason and only got 2 or 3 with the impaler.


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  • Posted by pippi21 Z7 Silver Spring Md. (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 18, 12 at 20:30

Were you able to buy this plant food locally or have to order it online? I would love to try the granules for the squirrels who have dug up a lot of my bulbs. All kinds of holes in my flowerbeds since the warm weather unthawed the ground. What is this about bloody color goes away in 3 days? Didn't quite get that part. Do you think Home Depot sells this product?


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No, Pippi21, I couldn't find Plantskydd at HD or Lowe's. On their website, www.plantskydd.com you can find a retailer in your area---usually a smaller nursery or feed/seed shop, as was the case here in VA. They also sell it from their website, which is even more convenient.

I don't know about others, but the 'blood red' color was still visible on my plants for days. Maybe because we didn't have a lot of rain at the time. Great thing about Plantskydd is that you don't have to re-apply frequently to keep up the level of protection. It really is worth the expense if you want to 're-train' the critters to get out, and stay out, of your yard!


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My strategy for rabbits takes into account the fact that the two plants they do most damage to - crocuses and tulips - happen to be the only tasty thing around when they begin to appear. So of course the rabbits eat them!

Now anybody who has a dog knows that if you fill up the dog's bowl with food, then you drop a pizza on the kitchen floor, the food becomes INVISIBLE to the dog. The dog now has a taste for this rarer treat. Even if you take the pizza away, the food is now boring compared to what the dog momentarily thought it was going to get, and will not return to its bowl for along time.

I believe the same can be true for rabbits and other animals. Your garden contains all the "rare" treats they just don't get elsewhere in the wild. So tempt/distract them with something they like even MORE, and not only will they eat that first, but even when it's gone they will spend a lot of time looking for remnants of that tastier thing and take a long time to return to the more relatively-boring garden plants.

It just so happens that crocuses are that tastiest thing a rabbit can possibly find in spring when everything else is dormant - it's hard to even distract them then. So I make sure that there is a sufficient amount of crocus. They nibble a little of this one and that one, and crocus can actually survive that nibbling and regenerate (they just won't survive being cropped to the ground 3 times in a single year). The crocus become boring to the rabbits before they are all dead.

Next, I've begun to plant the crocus within very short groundcovers, like snow-in-summer. They don't like to eat that, or any fuzzy/silver leafed plant, and pretty much avoid anything buried in it. At the very least, it means they take longer to find what they're looking for so end up eating less.

Another thing that rabbits like to eat is the sprouts from millet rejected by birds at the birdfeeder. They also like dandelion shoots quite a bit. Now I won't intentionally plant dandelions, but I'm OK with the millet. I think they'd also enjoy early spring radishes.

I don't have any deer where I live, but maybe a strategy would be to include something deer really like - at a good distance away from your garden. They may be attracted by the sweeter stuff and avoid your garden while they're in the area. I don't think deer ever like to stay in a single area for long because of their instinctive fear of predators so don't worry about turning your garden into a second home for them.

Try dumping a bag of wheat grain on the ground in January and letting it sprout up. (Do deer eat much grass? If not, try a different vegetable, or maybe a few early-breaking shrubs they like that are robust enough to handle some gnawing.) I bet the deer will concentrate there. Plus, they leave a little "fertilizer" behind (as do rabbits) which is very good for the garden.

I don't worry much about the animals liking the garden so much it becomes their home - herbivores instinctively move on after a certain amount of time because of their fear of attracting predators. So if you can get them to spend that time eating something else, you're probably safe.


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You have a large property, so your 8' fence gives the deer plenty of running room to make the jump? With lots of space, they don't feel trapped and will make the effort.

I have a 4' high fence that the herd (more than 25) never jump because two sides of it are formed by my house. They can't see a way out of the enclosed small space and don't want to be trapped.

We live on 4.5 acres, but decided the deer would jump a perimeter fence, so I have that cottage garden fence to include roses and azaleas.

Outside the fence, I grow only deer resistant plants and I realize your situation is different. About the only time that I get damage is in an extremely cold winter when their food is scarce (I do have a neighbor who feeds them corn year-round). This winter, there was plenty of food so they didn't eat the yucca (yes, that's right) or hollies.

Rabbits are worse than deer, IMHO! They will eat some of my deer resistant plants and cottage garden plants. For those, I use I MUST GARDEN RABBIT REPELLENT and it is 100% effective and lasts a very long time between applications. The company also makes a deer repellent that I've not tried, but the deer don't like this rabbit repellent either as I tested it.

As for voles--those are my worst enemy! Far more damage than deer and rabbits combined. They literally ate the roots off of most of my coneflowers in winter 2010. We changed out some of our flagstone garden paths to include thick gravel and I've not seen a single vole hole/damage this winter. Expensive, but permanent.

Hope this is helpful,
Cameron

Here is a link that might be useful: my list of deer resistant plants


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I have a little trouble with deer, rabbits, and slugs, but voles have turned out to be my worst enemy in the past year too. Last winter we had a ridiculous amount of snow and apparently the rodents were partying and breeding all winter. By spring the voles, moles, chipmunks, etc. were over-running the yard and countryside.

My cat caught literally dozens of voles last summer, and I dispatched a few myself, which largely brought them under control. But the cat doesn't hunt in the front garden because it's too close to the road. This is also my most ornamental garden. The voles have wiped out almost all the Echinacea, Liatris, Baptisia, Helianthus, Aster September Ruby, even now working on the Buddleia and Phlox paniculata! The other day it was a very blustery day and I looked out the window only to see half my large and gorgeous Buddleia Black Knight blown across the yard. The voles had eaten away at the roots. That was the last straw!! I've declared war too!

I borrowed and set a mole trap the other day. Not sure if I'm siting it properly though. Poison is not out of the question if it can be used discretely and safely.


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Poison not appropriate when there are other (non-target) animals roaming around.


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terrene,

I also have vole problems athough not as severe as you have. You might try horticultural castrol. There's quite a bit of information about it on the hosta forum.


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Hi Rhizo, yes I am concerned about "collateral" damage with poison or bait, and have read that if a predator eats a poisoned rodent it can become poisoned too. Their infestation is very localized and the front garden isn't really visited by that many critters (including the cat) - except the dogs walking down the sidewalk that like to pee on my ornamental grasses!

Squirejohn, I just did a little search on the Hosta forum and that castor oil mixture sounds interesting. I will have to give this a try, along with perhaps some more traps.

Last year I tried an ammonia/water solution on the hostas to kill the slugs, and was amazed how well it worked. Somebody on GW recommended a 25% solution but that is pretty acrid, so I reduced the solution to 12.5% and that still worked well. It just dissolves the slugs with no apparent damage to the plants whatsover.


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The coyotes in my neighborhood appeared to have done something to the rabbits. I haven't seen many of them. We still have too many squirrels.

I have stayed away from poisons if possible. My neighbors have dogs that occasionally wander into my yard.

Paul


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