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Does anyone grow English Daisy [Bellis]?

Posted by prairiemoon2 zone 6a/MA (My Page) on
Mon, Mar 3, 14 at 4:45

I tried growing these once but they didn't come back after winter. I read that they are hardy to zone 4 so I don't understand what happened. Anyone have success with these?


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no experience but the link says:

will not tolerate standing water. It is particular about its soil conditions, with a strong preference for rich, acidic soils

also it claims the are at best.. a biennial ... did you start yours from seed.. could you have somehow interrupted its natural progression/cycle ??

did they bloom .. before you lost them over winter???

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: will not tolerate standing water. It is particular about its soil conditions, with a strong preference for rich, acidic soils


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I think I planted a couple of six packs and yes they did bloom. I haven't got a place on my property that has standing water. [g] It's usually dry if anything, and my soil is close to neutral I think with the last reading a PH of 6. I was going to try to get a soil test this spring again.

And if they are more like a biennial, maybe I can start them two years in a row and hope that they reseed, like Lunaria does for me.

I was hoping they would establish in my lawn. I added them next to the lawn. I could get a packet of seeds and try them in a couple of places.

Thanks, Ken…and thanks for the link.

This post was edited by prairiemoon2 on Mon, Mar 3, 14 at 7:36


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Well I know a bit about growing them. ;-) "Bellis" is even part of my email address, lol!

Paired with Ice Cream tulips some years ago
Tulip 'Ice Cream' photo icecreamtulip.jpg

I had the exact same problem as you with the nursery plants. Just couldn't get those things to establish and grow. A kind GWebber told me the best way to grow them was from seed and sent me some.

I direct sowed them in the garden and have had overwhelming success. Note the 'overwhelming' there...sometimes it reseeds/spreads a bit too well in the beds!

They aren't that hard to grow. It is not picky about soils. Doesn't seem to mind our wet winters or hot/dry summers.

Last couple years I have tried introducing some to the lawn from extras dug up from the beds. I will say they definitely do better in areas with less foot-traffic. Don't seem to like areas with a lot of competition from tree roots (bad area of lawn). Also establish faster if given some space from surrounding lawn in the beginning.

I think you would have a lot more luck via seed, like I did. I've seen seeds of them from some of the more common brands of seeds. I could also [[try and remember]] collect some seed from my plants for you. LMK
;-)
CMK


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This thread makes me smile a little. The little wild Bellis perennis are the ones people here spend their time trying to get out of their lawns. They do not seem to care what the soil is like. This picture shows the daisies which grow in the grass unbidden - not the fancy doubles, just the little wildlings. These are in a woodland setting so have adapted by rowing rather longer stems.


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Christinmk, those tulips are certainly named well! [g] I’ve never seen anything like them. Isn’t that interesting that you tried the nursery plants and had the same experience. I will have to try seed and see if I have any luck. I have a couple of spots where a broadleaf weed has overstayed it’s welcome in the lawn, so I want to try to put small plants there instead that would spread without becoming a nuisance. I see a number of varieties of Bellis. I liked something like the one in the link below, but, I also wanted something that was a single flower for pollinators. Thanks for your photo, amazing tulip again!

Flora, that is funny, but not surprising. I am embracing lawn ‘weeds’. :-) Not everyone over this side of the pond, does either. I already have clover and violets and some mossy edges in more shade. I’m adding crocus and chionodoxa as well.

I really love meadows and on my small lot, there’s no room for one, so I thought I might try some small low growing perennials that might give me a reminder of a meadow for some of the season, maybe just the spring before I have to start mowing.

Thanks, that’s a cute photo of the original!

Here is a link that might be useful: Bellis perennis Habanero with Red Tips


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I'm with flora - these suckers grow wild here and are referred to as "lawn daisies". Since I live on pretty casual beachfront property, that's not a problem but serious lawn folks hate them!

I'm not sure I'd agree about the soil pickiness. They grow here in very compacted and rather nutrient-poor soil that tends to get pretty water logged about this time of year.......the daisies are doing just fine, thank you very much :-))

Again, these are just the standard species Bellis - no doubles and mostly whites (although a pink will sneak in every now and again).


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Thanks GardenGal, I found a photo of them growing in the PNW. They look cute. So…would you give them a thumbs up or thumbs down?

Here is a link that might be useful: Bellis perennis - 'lawn daisies' - PNW


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  • Posted by maet z5 NL, Canada (My Page) on
    Tue, Mar 4, 14 at 0:36

I grew those in a raised bed in the front of my house and ended up getting rid of them because they started to spread in my lawn. I'm assuming they reseeded.


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Thanks for sharing that. Were they easy enough to pull out and get rid of? Did you have a double flower? I wonder how they behaved in your lawn? Did they bloom just in the spring and then you mowed them and that was the end of them for the season?


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daisies - love them....and happily allow both the little lawn daisies and their taller cousins, ox-eye daisies, to colonise any spare grassland. They are easily dug out, needing a mere flick of a daisy grubber (or fork, for the taller types).


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Well, I'm sold. Especially if they are easy to get out if you want to. Thanks to everyone, great input. I think I like the wildflower one over the doubles. There's always so much to do in the garden in the spring, I really ignore the lawn until the fall. But I'm collecting ideas for adding more little plants to replace some of the broadleaf weeds that have increased with a couple of hot dry summers lately. Also thinking of adding some Blue Star Grass around the edges and try some Erythronium bulbs maybe in the fall along with more crocus. If I can find the right seeds, I might take some time this spring to get them started.


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This photo was taken to show the rhubarb but the daisies got in on the act. I don't have a lawn but the allotment paths are grass. So that proves they are happy on compacted soil.

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If you can't get Bellis perennis to grow in your region Erigeron karvinskianus does a pretty good impression, of the flowers at least.
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This post was edited by floral_uk on Tue, Mar 4, 14 at 12:54


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OT....

Ha! Funny you should post a pic of that Flora...I actually have some Erigeron karvinskianus starting under my grow light now for my annual containers ;-) Very pretty!
CMK


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  • Posted by maet z5 NL, Canada (My Page) on
    Tue, Mar 4, 14 at 19:16

They weren't hard to get out but they reverted back to the single daisies. They were mostly in the area near the flowerbed.


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That's a sweet little plant, too, Flora. Thanks for posting that photo. I wonder if they cut it back there on the steps when it's finished blooming? You really do have a lot of pretty plants growing out of masonry. I rarely see that around here.

Maet, thanks, sounds like it's a good thing I like the single daisy. [g]


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It never stops, PrairieM. Once you have erigeron karvinskianus anywhere in the garden, you (and all your neighbours) have it forever. Sometimes whole streets are colonised with a mix of erigeron and centranthus, simply growing out of cracks in the pavements and masonry. A favourite position is growing in stair risers. Mine have started the erigeron diaspora down the road, making it as far as the next housing court, showing up around the corners and finding a home with sempervivums on our flat garage roofs.

However, it is a charming little plant which is never offensive and, should you get bored, it can be yanked out easily (several times and places over the growing season). Anywhere which uses stone, flint or ancient brick as a building material, is easily colonised by these creeping plants (especially the little toadflax, L.muralis). Not so happy in new masonry or timber.


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Thanks for letting me know that, Campanula. I have a minor amount of stone and no walls or steps really other than the front steps. My lot is very level. It is something I will try to get seeds for and give them a try, though. Thanks.


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Campanula is dead right. That particular little arrangement, if you look carefully, comprises self seeded Erigeron, a self seeded Clematis vitalba a dandelion and a stray Elder. No Centranthus ...... yet. But there's a Buddleja in the background. A very typical selection for a bit of old masonry in these parts.


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English daisies are not a perennial. They are biennial. I grow them in my zone 3 garden and like someone else said they do come up in the lawn and I don't worry about them. They are mowed off and will disappear later in the summer.

Every spring I dig them up and plant them in clumps on the edge of my bed with space between them to plant an annual later on. They only bloom in early summer. They start blooming with the daffodils and tulips and then become a small green clump with the odd flower by the end of June. They do make a nice showing when they bloom though


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Bellis perennis - the name is a hint. The wild species is definitely perennial. It is evergreen and blooms all the year round in its native habitat.

Here is a link that might be useful: Bellis perennis


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Thanks for clearing that up about perennial vs biennial. I wonder is there a biennial and a perennial? No matter, I'll go for the perennial.


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Well I stand corrected English Daisy is classed as a perennial but it behaves like a biennial. It takes 2 years for it to flower from seed and after it blooms it dies. I've grown them for about 20 years and I don't think I have seen a plant last more than 2 years. Maybe in a warmer climate they behave differently


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I think that the garden doubles may well die off quicker than the wild species, especially in sub-optimal conditions e.g hot summers, cold winters, lack of regular moisture. Flowering the second year after sowing is common for perennials as well as biennials. It's the dying after flowering which is critical to the definition and the species doesn't.


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I love english daisies, but as some other posts say, they are biennial, not perennial. The nurseries around here sell them as perennials, which is misleading, they are not, at least for me they aren't. Maybe in southern areas they do act perennial, but I've never had one come back.They do reseed, which is why they stretch a point and call them perennial. Very easy to grow from seed. I grow mine as annuals, I start them early indoors, then plant outside and they bloom the same year. But they don't come back for me, sadly.


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Perennial is a botanical term which describes the nature of a plant in its natural habitat. I'm sorry but Bellis perennis is a true perennial botanically speaking. The name tells you this fact.The plant will grow for several years in its natural habitat as any English lawn owner can tell you. It may well be that they do not survive that long in places outside their natural habitat but it does not change their botany or their genetics, only their behaviour under certain conditions. Gardeners often use the terms annual, biennial, perennial loosely to refer to the way a plant behaves in their region, but these are are botanical terms with a precise scientific meaning and cannot be altered by circumstances. It is not a question of 'acting' perennial. It's not a flexible thing. Perhaps you will believe the botanists at Kew?

Here is a link that might be useful: Bellis perennis


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um, I suspect the confusion is caused by the use of those double pink or white varieties which are invariably sold for spring bedding. In fact, regardless of their perennial nature, these doubles tend to be rather ephemeral for me also (although it has been years since I grew them). However, I suspect that the lack of returning is more down to the conditions in which these are grown and planted (at least in my case) since they invariably got tossed with the wallflowers at the end of spring. I cannot recall any of them staying the course throughout summer....so unlike the little white and pink tinged lawn daisies which are practically immortal. Of course, these days, I do none of that bedding out lark and have been gratified to see that wallflowers are robustly perennial (for me) returning every year for the past decade.


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I guess I'm just going to have to make sure I get the 'wildflower' Bellis perennis seed, because that does seem to be the better bet. Thanks.


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Maybe the conditions in the UK are more favorable to keep them coming back than here in the US. It doesn't matter to me, I grow them as annuals and am fine with that.


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I don't know if my English daisy is dead, it's all wilted, can anyone help me?


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I love english daisies but they have never been perennial for me. I grow them as an annual, from seed started indoors. Very easy. I see them in the local nurseries, sold individually as a perennial. I could not bring myself to pay $4 or more each, when they only last a year for me and they are so easy to grow from seed.


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Can't tell from that photo whether the plant is under- or over -watered. Can you post in-focus pictures? And can you say if that pot has drainage holes? And are you keeping it indoors? It needs to be outside in a cool place. Remember it is is a bone hardy native of the British Isles.


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Interesting discussion, thought I'd chime in. I bought some English Daisies from a gardener's home and they have been perennial here in zone 6a for more than 3 years so far, as well as making new babies every year. They are the type that are double with flecks of candy colors in a whitish or pink petal. For me, they spread in small clumps, but rather slowly (would like more!), but are quite beautiful at the forefront of the spring bed, then quietly go back to green afterwards. Where I want more, I just dig out a piece and plop it somewhere else :)


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I have found that the bellis plants that were bought in bloom in the spring dry up and die for me which makes me think they are second year plants. This year I have started some bellis seeds indoors. They germinated well but are very slow growers.


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