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| I have a section of the garden that borders on the wetland. So far I have try different plants in the area, including some bog type plants like cardinal flower, but each time the plants have died. I am thinking that part of the issue is that the area is both shaded by tree and can be underwater for a time. Can anyone recommend some sort of native plant for this area?
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- Posted by ken_adrian z5 (My Page) on Sun, Apr 22, 12 at 8:52
| on the wetland .... can be underwater for a time. ==>> these two statements are not consistent.. it is either a bog.. which requires bog plants ... or it is a seasonal deluge.. and depending on the season .. may or may not require bog type plants ... and we would have to know what kind of tree .. and how many hours of sun/shade.. to go much further ... and what is the native soil in that area ... [drainage] and based on your neophyte learning curve.. are you sure your failure was water based only???? or could there have been other issues ??? i guess what i am inartfully trying to say.. is that you are beginning the premise with an assumption about the ambient water.. and i wonder about that assumption ... if you are not correct.. then we wont be of much help... ken |
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| I'm a bit surprised that cardinal flower didn't grow well for you there as it grows happily along a river bank here where the water levels fluctuate enough that it is under water in the spring and fairly dry in late summer. I have also seen it blooming in full shade along a steam. Was yours the true native or a garden center variety? What other plants have you tried? Is there some sun in your wet area or is it all day deep shade? Here are some natives that are happy at a wetland edge. I'm giving you shrubs as well as some herbaceous perennials. Be sure you know your soil pH and whether it fulfills the plants' requirements since I live in an area of acid soils, but I don't know your pH. - Rhododendron viscosum (swamp azalea) has white to pink early summer flowers which are vanilla scented. This will only flower if it gets at least some sun. Side note on "bogs" and other wetlands since Ken added comments about this . . . Technically bogs are a year-round wet area with a low pH and virtually no flow, unlike the way this term is often used. They grow plants such as sphagnum moss, pitcher plants, and native cranberries. It is common around here to have seasonally flooded wetlands, either vernal pools which are flooded in spring but dry up in summer, or areas which flood after rainstorms for a few hours or days. Some wetland fringes are underwater in wet times but quite dry in low rain times. Any type of seasonally wet area tends to be difficult growing conditions as there are a limited number of plants which like being submerged at the beginning of the growing season but also are happy if they are bone dry in August. |
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| her is a wonderful place to gain insight inti wet land planting. |
Here is a link that might be useful: wet feet
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| OK, it's not a bog, but water sort of come and recede dependent on the amount of rain. On rainy seasons, it could be underwater for a week. For drought season, it's dry. Currently, many of the trees in the area are cottonwood trees. I think some of the other trees are buckthorns (not great, but it's not in my yard, so I can't do anything about them). There are several other factors: Paul |
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| nhbabs had some good suggestions. I searched high and low for an old thread of mine, which I can't find, which asked pretty much the same question you do. Large area, part shade, has standing water for long periods (especially in wet years) but not consistently standing water, although for the most part consistently moist. I think my area may get a touch more sun than you describe. This is what I have planted in the area: Ilex verticillata (with a pollinator) Already in the bed before expansion were hostas, peonies, astilbes, bleeding hearts, and some kind of bluebells (these surprised me - I believe they are Spanish, which are bulbs, which I didn't think would survive the wetness). There are also ferns, which I think were not planted but grow there naturally, as well as native asters, which do very well there. Unfortunately the skunk cabbage, that nasty wild raspberry (I think that's what it is) and even poison ivy do well here too! Some of these plants are experimental - the garden was expanded about two or three years ago and we tried a few things not knowing if it would be too wet or too shady. The ilex (for sun reasons) and the dogwood (for moisture reasons) are the two biggest "ifs" and so far so good, although the holly is not up to what I had hoped so far. We'll see. Everything else is really doing quite well - itea, irises, ligularia, caltha and lobelia especially. And from the original planting the peonies and astilbes are doing very well. Oh, and how could I forget? The two biggest things - two willows, salix hakuro nishiki. They LOVE it here. As a matter of fact I was looking at them last week and I'm beginning to nervously think about that (for me) four-letter word "prune". I kept seeing things like "don't overwater" in care instructions, but they are in the deepest part of the standing water and are thriving. Hope this helps! This can be a really fun area to garden in if you work with it! (Well, maybe not fun to actually work in - have gotten shoes sucked right off my feet and stuck in the mud, lol) but the results can be beautiful! Dee |
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- Posted by ken_adrian z5 (My Page) on Mon, Apr 23, 12 at 8:04
| at the old house.. i had a large area.. low spot.. that was underwater for a week or two.. on snow melt.. but the soil frozen ... and also.. after heavy rain.. could be under water.. for a few days ... and that is what i call TEMPORARY water ... dormant plants didnt care in spring .. nothing failed for such ... and nothing i planted was specific to seasonal damp ... and in fact.. most stuff did supremely i am not sure you need 'special' plants for the area ... and i am not sure there is enough water.. for those that REQUIRE [rather than tolerate] a lot of water ... so your presumption of a lot of water.. may have been the failure of the plant .. or not.. who knows... as you are learning.. you plant.. you experiment.. and what works works.. regardless of our theories... ken |
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