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Anyone have Parthenocissus henryana in southern sun?

Posted by davidrt28 7 (My Page) on
Fri, May 16, 14 at 7:20

There's probably a vines forum but I'm sure this one has more traffic.
Years ago I bought a Parthenocissus henryana from Woodlanders. I'm 90% sure that for the first year, the leaves resembled what I expected. Now there's little to suggest it is anything but Parthenocissus quinquifolia. There are many seedlings of the native around. I will always have trouble believing one did a sneaky replacement of the Parthenocissus henryana, but I suppose I might just have not been paying attention. I can more easily believe it was the native all along, sent in error, and I just saw what I wanted to see in the first year.

But I did find a reference somewhere saying that in sun, it can lose the veining. My plant is on a west facing stone wall so it does get fairly hot in summer. So, has anyone else in a sunny warm climate had this problem with it? Or can someone in Southern California say, "yeah, I have it on a south facing wall and it still has the veins". That could confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is the wrong species. BTW if Woodlanders did screw up and send the native, it would be my first issue with one of their plants in over 20 years of ordering from them. Another clue is that several sources say P. henryana has bluish-black or black berries, but I can't find any proper pictures of them. My vine has definitely blue berries, I can't imagine anyone would say there's anything black about them. They are blue with a slight whitish bloom.

Problem currently is it is just too vigorous, I can't justify keeping it especially if it isn't even what I ordered. Debating about a Schizophragma inegrifolium as a replacement, although they are supposedly pretty vigorous too...though I feel like I've seen the more common, hardier "Hydrangea vine", staying relatively confined in some gardens.

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RE: Anyone have Parthenocissus henryana in southern sun?

can't answer your question about the Virginia creeper, but I have both schizophragma and Hydrangea petiolaris and they are both aggressive after the first three years. My moomlight is climbing up a tulip poplar and is probably over 100 feet ...

RE: Anyone have Parthenocissus henryana in southern sun?

Thanks shadeyplace. I was a afraid of that. It seems even harder to win the "please stay a moderate size" battle with a vine that it is with trees. The nature of vines is to just want to "go to town".

RE: Anyone have Parthenocissus henryana in southern sun?

I have P henryana right up the west-facing back of my 4 storey house. We have to clip it away from the windows and roof at least twice a year. Even in my climate the veining is far more prominent where it goes around a corner onto a N facing extension. This is what the N facing bit looks like. It's about 25 years old.

RE: Anyone have Parthenocissus henryana in southern sun?

Love the fern on the wall!!!!

RE: Anyone have Parthenocissus henryana in southern sun?

Thanks, but that's an optical illusion there, shadyplace. The fern is on the ground not on a wall. That's paving going up to the base of the wall. The fern and the Parthenocissus are growing out of a tiny gap between the stones. You can see the situation better in this picture.

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