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rouge21_gw

long blooming shade flower for a border

I need your advice.

I have a border which is very much in shade much of the day. I am waffling between an annual plant for this border (e.g. some non "Walleriana" impatiens or coleus etc) or alternatively a shade perennial.

Last day while at a nursery I was drawn to the bold and bright colours of the heuchera "Paprika".

And although I am not a heuchera fanatic this one would for sure brighten up this shady border.

But if I do go say for 3 of them I will have them spaced out along the curved border but with a non heuchera, non hosta perennial/annual in between and on either end i.e 4 more plants. And I want this plant to have a flower, preferably non-white and be not too tall (less than 2 feet for sure) given that it is a front border. What flowering shade plant would you recommend? For example I thought of Ligularia "Bottle Rocket".

It would be nice to go for an annual for long continuous profuse flowering...impatiens would be perfect except I refuse to use "Walleriana" impatiens for the foreseeable future due to the continuing downy mildew problem.

I welcome your suggestions.

Here is a link that might be useful: Paprika Heuchera

This post was edited by rouge21 on Thu, May 2, 13 at 11:30

Comments (24)

  • funnthsun z7A - Southern VA
    10 years ago

    What about a hardy geranium grouped with the heucheras?

  • rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Good thought funnthsun as there are some tough shade tolerating hardy geraniums.(macrorrhizum). But I don't think their flowering duration is long enough for me in this location?

    (If we can get a flowering plant I am thinking that 'spikey' vertical flowers would be a good contrast to the mounding form of the heuchera.)

  • funnthsun z7A - Southern VA
    10 years ago

    Spikes, huh? Well, other than the obvious Astilbe, I thought of Echium Amoenum Red Feathers. It would look awesome with Paprika, but not sure if it would tolerate that much shade? I know it will take part shade, though.

  • cbusgirl
    10 years ago

    Not spiky - but my fringed leaf bleeding heart (Dicentra eximia) blooms for a really long time. Pink flowers.

  • karin_mt
    10 years ago

    Cbusgirl beat me to it. Few plants can match the May-Sept run of continuous blooms for fringed bleeding heart.

    You can't go wrong with heuchera either though. That is one plant I can never say no to.

  • rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Thanks for the suggestion cbusgirl and confirmation karin_mt. I always thought that (all) "bleeding heart" bloomed in the spring and then come June no more flowers till the following year. And depending on the amount of sun they often go completely dormant? Is 'eximia' very much different in this regard? Tell me more.

  • rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    I did a little bit of looking and it appears that there are some dicentra that can be prolonged bloomers. For example one that seems more readily available than 'eximia' is the variety "Red Fountain". You have got me thinking.

  • cbusgirl
    10 years ago

    rouge21 - I also have the non-fringed leaf bleeding heart (dicentra spectabilis) and it does go completely dormant sometime mid-summer-ish. The fringed-leaf type, though, keep going - foliage as well as flowers, until frost.

  • karin_mt
    10 years ago

    Right, again I will just echo cbusgirl. I have both types as well and they behave differently from one another. The fringed varieties go on and on while spectablis only blooms in the spring. In our climate spectablis does not go dormant but it ceases to bloom.

    One note on fringed bleeding heart varieties. I have tried several: Alba, Queen of Hearts, and Luxuriant. Only Luxuriant has the staying power. The others were pretty wimpy and I would not get them again. I think Luxuriant is a common one.

    I had two that I had to move last fall but sadly they did not survive the move. Now I need to buy one, but they are definitely worth it. But I have learned that they do not move easily. Same is true for the spectablis types as well.

  • woodyoak zone 5 southern Ont., Canada
    10 years ago

    I've been thinking about this question and looking at the 'paprika'.... I would do things a bit differently. I don't think you need to focus on looking for a long bloom time - the leaves of the heuchera are really your blooms! Put three or so in front of something dark-leafed like 'Black Negligee' or Hill side Black Beauty' bugbanes and BINGO you have vivid color glowing in front of the dark foliage as a proxy for flowers, plus you have the spiky flowers of the bugbane in late summer (in addition to the more inconspicuous flowers of the heuchera), so you have all-season color without worrying about the flowers too much. Being stuck indoor too much at the moment and looking for things to amuse myself :-) I tried to mock up the picture I 'see', using my landscape software. It doesn't have the exactly right images so take this with a grain of salt! In black and white:
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    With some color splashed on it:
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    An option to think about....

  • rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    woodyoak, thank you for spending the time with my inquiry. But with this now very good weather you should be outdoors away from the computer!

    This post was edited by rouge21 on Fri, May 3, 13 at 4:36

  • rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Thanks 'karin' for relaying your experience re "Luxiuriant".

    I did a bit more looking into "Red Fountain". It seems it is also an "eximia" and so has a long bloom period but this time with (more) red flowers.

    By chance have you had experience with this variety?

  • karin_mt
    10 years ago

    Hi Rouge,

    No I have not seen 'Red Fountain.' Funny, because originally I tried all the varieties I mentioned above and once I hit the home run with 'Luxuriant' I never had a need to look at other types because the plants thrived so.

    Red Fountain looks pretty though - the flowers appear to be more vivid than Luxuriant.

    Do you have a local source for them?

  • rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    'karin', in fact I think I do have a couple of local sources for "Red Fountain".

    Thanks again for the suggestion of such dicentra that are long flowering. I wasnt aware of this and it seems I will make this choice for our shade garden.

  • davidinsf
    10 years ago

    Howdy

    I'm a regular in the dahlia threads but I have a thought.

    I have 1/4th of my yard in shade and I get tired of spending $50 a year buying impatiens just for that section so I now have 2-3 Begonias in a pot, surrounded by a 6 pack of corresponding or complementary colors of impatiens around them now.

    I was disappointed in begonias originally when first bought because they are small and are not as 'nonstop' as the stores tell you. But once established, my begs now bloom from May until near October (in San Francisco) And the colors are to die for - super bright oranges and reds etc. American Mdws also has some different colors than I can get from my nursery store so other than purple or blue, I believe they come in every other color.

    They are small also, (maybe 2' high) and look fabulous in the shade, where my seem to 'glow' at dusk. I'm looking now to buy more but the stores still want $6 a begonia and they will soon be 3 for $10, so I am waiting them out.

  • echinaceamaniac
    10 years ago

    The longest blooming shade perennial I have ever grown is a woodland Phlox called 'Wanda.' It looks great with some of the Heuchera like 'Sugar Plum.'

    I have the 'Paprika' Heuchera. It is nice too, but it is difficult to find plants it looks good with.

  • rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    I have the 'Paprika' Heuchera. It is nice too, but it is difficult to find plants it looks good with.

    That is a good point echinaceamaniac i.e. often these newer varieties of heuchera have some very striking coloured foliage...great for a darker area of the garden BUT as you have said the colours can be so...harsh that it is difficult blend it with other plants. I am rethinking my choice of "Paprika".

    Heuchera "Havana" has some significant dark pink flowers with very light green foliage. Also "Lime Marmalade" has extra bright lime green foliage.

    I think both of these have foliage which is more easily to combo with other perennials.

    What do you think?

  • rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Thanks 'david' for the suggestion of annual begonias. I love the wax begonias and use them very successfully in my garden but they don't do as well in deeper shade. I do know the tuberous ones are better for such an aspect; putting some in a pot and placing it in the garden is an easy thing to do.

  • rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    'karin' wrote: Red Fountain looks pretty though - the flowers appear to be more vivid than Luxuriant.

    Do you have a local source for them?

    UPDATE

    I was able to get 4 of them just yesterday.

  • echinaceamaniac
    10 years ago

    I love the lime foliage of those Heuchera. Heuchera 'Paprika' does look good with that color. I also think it looks good with Aralia 'Sun King.' Another new Heuchera I love is called 'Delta Dawn'.

  • echinaceamaniac
    10 years ago

    I know people have already mentioned Dicentra 'Gold Heart,' but it is awesome as a foliage plant too. If I didn't like the flowers on it, I would grow it just for the bright foliage. It also stays nice much longer than the other Dicentras I've grown.

  • rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    I too love the colour of "Gold Heart" but it is much too large a plant for this front border

  • karin_mt
    10 years ago

    Nice ones Rouge! Those are very pretty and hopefully they will thrive in your shady border. FWIW, the flowers and pretty foliage look nice in a springtime bouquet, mixed with late tulips for example.

    I'm looking forward to getting a few more of these for some spots that have turned nicely shady over the past few years. I love their woodland look

    What heuchera are you leaning toward? I could see Red Fountain getting along well with some of the burgundy/silvery types.

  • rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Actually 'karin' the two heuchera I "need" ;) not only will be near these "Red Fountain but will also be be placed close to a new "Misty Blue" Actaea.