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Arisaema urashima- how late of a riser is it?

Posted by christinmk z5b eastern WA (My Page) on
Thu, May 5, 11 at 17:09

Bought my first Jack (A. urashima) last spring. It was very tiny (one eye) but leafed out quickly. Then in summer it was suddenly gone. I know virtually nothing about Arisaemas, but am guessing it went dormant?

Anyway, I see no signs of it now, though it has been much cooler than normal here. Are they usually late risers? Is urashima not a very hardy species? Several sites (including PDN) say it is hardy in my zone, so I am not sure. Perhaps it DID die out in summer?

Any info you could provide would be very helpful. Thanks!
CMK


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RE: Arisaema urashima- how late of a riser is it?

aw, cmk, there you go again trying to get us all jealous:-)

i spent my $100 on Ar.sikkokokianums(sp) many yrs ago, before learning from the local masters that they die out regularly(at least around here)so those truly obsessed learned how to keep propogating them from root cutting.....
That said, they do die back in summer.

but its gg48 who's your go-to plant guru out there; i bet she'll chirp in here.


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RE: Arisaema urashima- how late of a riser is it?

Chris....don't you live close to Spokane? And wasn't there snow on the ground there last week? LOL!! PNW weather has been so bizarre this past winter/spring, I'm surprised that anything is acting "according to schedule" :-)

I used to grow a bunch of arisaemas in my woodland garden, courtesy of the temptations of Heronswood and Dan Hinkley. Some did great and thrived and others just petered out. Never could get straight which ones were which with all the multisyllabic botanical names :-) Not sure if yours was ever one I tried.

Yes, most go dormant in the heat of summer, just like our native Jacks. Yes, most are slow to arise in spring, at least IME. And yes, most should be quite cold hardy, although zone 5 may be borderline for some species. I think the real trick in keeping these going is nearly "perfect" soil conditions - richly organic, very well-draining but consistently moist soil. They cannot be allowed to dry out. If you can properly balance out the excessive wetness of the PNW winter soils with the very dry summer conditions, you should be good to go!

Under current conditions, I'd still give it some time before giving up on it.


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RE: Arisaema urashima- how late of a riser is it?

-Mindy, ouch! Think the loss of one that much would be keeping me up at night, lol! Only spent six bucks on my little nub of a plant, so it won't hurt too bad if it died out. Really wasn't interested in it for myself, but my dad requested I grow it. He happened to see the Arisaema collection in a PDN catalog I had sitting out and thought they were the coolest plants to hit planet earth, LOL. ;-)

-gardengal, you guys arn't warming up so well either I hear! What was it, coldest April in a hundred and fifty years?! Yep, I am a Spokanite ;-) Think I about passed out on the kitchen floor when I saw that light dusting of snow in APRIL! You are right, most plants can't quite make up their minds whether to come up or sleep a little longer.

Thanks very much for all the Arisaema info. The area it is in now probably isn't ideal. If it does does come up I have a better spot out back it may do better in. It is mostly shade though, do you think it could handle that??
If this one died I may try another Arisaema (any you found especially hardy/robust that you can remember?). I don't think my dad will know the difference ;-)
CMK


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RE: Arisaema urashima- how late of a riser is it?

I think mostly shade is fine. The ones growing in the old Heronswood display garden were in quite heavy shade and did well.

For some reason, aroids do tend to be rather appealing to males :-) My ex, not a gardener at all but more than willing to accompany me on plant hunting and nursery expeditions, was extremely taken with these as well. In fact, he was very willing to write big fat checks if they included purchases of "guy" plants like these -- not so much the foo-foo, girly perennials :-) Another plant he adored and just had to have was dragon arum, Dracunculus vulgaris, which is very easy to grow and gets to an impressive size and with a startling and odiferous flower.

IME, A. sikokianum is a pretty robust species and very attractive in flower as well.

The only aroid I grow now is mouse plant, Arisarum proboscideum, which is cute as a button, producing numerous brown and white flowers with long curled tips that look for all the world like a mouse's rear end and tail! Grows under the same conditions as the arisaemas but quite vigorous and will form a good sized colony. May not be very hardy for you, though.

Here is a link that might be useful: mouse plant pics


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RE: Arisaema urashima- how late of a riser is it?

gg, you continue to be one HOT TICKET!!
wow, coldest april in 150 yrs?evthng o.k.?
great to talk w/ you again christin.
best,
mindy


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RE: Arisaema urashima- how late of a riser is it?

I was lucky enough to get 3 huge corms several years ago and they produce almost 2 foot plants that are predominately female. It has one crazy life cycle - hard to keep straight. Last year I had quite a bit of fruit set. However, due to a wet and cold spring this year I too am still anxiously awaiting their emergence. I wonder if they will be stressed and revert to men this year - lol.

Those Mouse Plants remind me a bit of those tropical Pitcher plants.


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Mindy, 'cold' is relative :-) We just never exceeded the "normal" average temp during the month of April......much of the month, we never even achieved it! And besides having below normal temperatures, we had above normal precipitation. But other than the month being overly cold and wet and plants emerging well behind schedule, it's not all that bad. Doesn't hold a candle to the tornados and floods experienced across much of the rest of the country!!

All in all, I feel quite lucky :-)


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Thanks for all the extra info gardengal. Ha ha! Yeah, guys do seem to have a thing for those Arisaema. Gee, I wonder why?? ;-D Funny you should mention the Dracunculus...they had one at a local plant sale and I was sorely tempted to try one. Except I wasn't sure how fond the neighbors would be of a rotting carcas smell, even if the flowers are short lived! How much moisture do they require? Don't have too many spots left in the garden with perpetual moisture, so it probably wouldn't have done well here anyhow...

I have often thought about trying a "mouse plant" before too. What kind of spot do you have yours in? I've always wondered what would be the best spot to plant it, in order to see the little flowers better. Do you find them pretty noticeable, even though the flowers are held under all the foliage?
CMK


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Mine - like most of my other plants - are in a container :-) (I have a seriously downsized garden now.) And yes, the little mouse heinies are easy to see - they peek out from underneath the foliage. But it's a small plant overall, so you want to site it where it is noticeable, like along a pathway or edge of a bed. And if you check out those pics, the flowers seem to ring around the edge of the containers so maybe even more visible with this type of presentation.

I remember when the former DH drug home the dracunculus - it was a give-away plant from a friend that had a small backyard nursery - and he decided it needed to go in our patio. No flippin way!! First, the growing conditions weren't right but no way was I going to have a flower smelling like rotten meat planted close to my dining room door and wafting its aroma into my house! Actually, you have to get up pretty close to it to notice the smell - more than about 20' and it has minimal impact. Pretty cool looking flower, tho.


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