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vaherbmom va7 (
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Fri, Jun 3, 11 at 20:38
| Hi all,
I just was gifted a large bunch of plants from a 90 year old neighbor. She's been gardening here for 60+ years and has a gorgeous garden with a great variety. Unfortunately, the weather since last Thur when she invited me over to dig has been extremely hot and humid, until yesterday when it got cooler. I am sure that some things didn't make it, like the flowering almond, but others look ok.
I just stuck everything in wherever I could and hope to reorganize and move things later. To tell the truth, I am not even positive what some of the things are as she gave me so many that were not in bloom and I got them mixed up.
I would appreciate any advice about keeping stuff alive and moving it around now that we are facing hot summer weather for the next few months. I expect to get more starts from her in the fall, but in the meantime I'd like alot of these to survive if possible. I also ordered a few things from the Bluestone sale and it's the first time I've risked ordering this late in the year. Besides planting on an overcast day/evening if possible and keeping everything very well-watered, what should I do?
thanks so much! |
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RE: moving perens during summer heat
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| one might lean towards potting them in proper potting media.. and keep them in shade.. for the rest of the hot season ... then plant them in fall ... a lot of nurseries have recycled pots ... and will gladly sell you a big bale of media ... you just have so much more water control .. and lack of sun.. that you can really push the transplant window ... never forget.. just cuz you buy a bargain [or in this case free] ... in the heat of summer.. DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO PLANT IT IN THE HEAT OF SUMMER ... by the end of summer.. in the days of money .. i used to have 50-100 pots by sept .... ready for planting ... yeah. i have a lot of shade ... ken |
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| Mom always says, "You can plant anytime, as long as you're willing to water." We have our annual plant swap at the end of May, and by June (now) it's HOT. The things I get there are often very small babies. Sometimes I plant them in my nursery bed, which is in partial shade with awesome rich amended soil, so I can keep them all together and watch over them till fall. Sometimes I go ahead and plant them out in the garden. Depending on what it is, I may have to water a lot for the first several weeks, but after a while it begins to stand on its on, er, roots. :) I just ordered from Bluestone too. Haven't planted anything out yet - it's all still in pots, in the "nursery" area. I'm watering daily because the pots are so small. |
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- Posted by mxk3 z5b/6 MI (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 4, 11 at 15:10
| Agree with Connie - defintely do-able, but will have to baby them for a while. When I plant/transplant during summer, I shade for a few days with whatever I have available - old plastic pots with bottoms cut out, cardboard boxes, even lawn chairs will work in a pinch - and definitely have to be vigilant about watering (without over-watering). Actually, high winds can be harder on plants than summer heat (well, at least Michigan summer heat/sun...), so even if you wait until fall, be sure to protect against wind on windy days. |
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| so connie agreed with me.. as she has a nursery bed.. and i was suggesting a collection of nursery pots ... and mx is out there 4 hours a day tending them .. the key is that you just cant throw them all over the yard.. and hope you remember to give them the TLC they need ... ken |
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| I always accumulate quite a collection of plants in the "nursery area" before fall and spring planting seasons.... |
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| I just moved some large Echinacea yesterday, still have many seedlings to plant, and have another Bluestone order coming this week. Also, there are several shrubs I would still like to move. Yes, I know it's ideal to move shrubs when they're dormant, but they're Grey Dogwoods - pretty tough. Our weather is not as hot up here, but it's late in the Spring, so I take precautions. - Make sure plants are watered well before planting/transplanting and water well afterwords. - Move or plant in the evening, so they have overnight to settle in. - Try to move or plant if you're having a few days of clouds/rain. - Shade them for a few days if it's a sunny spot. Disclaimer - if you have a sensitive or special plant, that you couldn't bear to lose, then pot them up and baby them through the summer (in the shade, as Ken suggested). |
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| Mulch will help keep moisture levels even, and like Michelle, I shade things until they start to get their roots under them. For small plants that can be a wooden shingle stuck on end to the south-west, but I also will set up lawn chairs, a tomato cage with a fabric shade or anything else that works. I sometimes will put things into a partly shaded nursery bed, but I can't keep things in pots alive reliably, so I don't try any more. In my part of the country, where we get regular rain most of the time, a well-mulched bed with filtered shade during the hottest part of the day is my best choice. |
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| You know what works great for temporary shade? It's not particularly attractive, but those cheap plastic laundry baskets from the dollar store turned upside down over the plants will shade and allow for air circulation. Someone mentioned that on the rose forum a few years back, and it worked well when I planted some bare root roses in July. I know it looks a little tacky, but they do the trick. |
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- Posted by mxk3 z5b/6 MI (My Page) on
Sun, Jun 5, 11 at 14:34
| Mehearty - good tip! Never thought of laundry baskets, although like I said really anything lying around that will work will work (no matter how tacky LOL!). :0) |
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| Great ideas, thanks. I do always plant in the evening, and try to wait for a time when cloudy weather is predicted for several days, but summer just hit us like a wall this year. The rest of this week again is to be in the 90's and sunny, argh. I'd forgotten about shading with shingles and baskets and such, too bad I didn't think of it last week but will do it with anything else I get. Hopefully I can replace anything I lose with more from her garden in the fall, as long as nothing happens to the dear lady. Will put my new things from Bluestone in the shade. Should I repot them in larger containers and wait for fall? I got some columbine, black cohosh and agastache and eupatorium. I was afraid to get more in the summer. This is the first year I've ever taken the chance to order this late. |
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| It's been at least 90 and closer to 100 degrees every day here for 2 months. It's also been very windy most days, and it hasn't rained since 4/15. I dug out grass for 2 new beds and used them as an excuse to buy more plants, and to spread out plants from other areas such as tomato, basil, mysostis in bloom, cucumbers, zinnias, banana peppers. Only lost 1 basil plant, but it looked like it got stepped on by canine helper. If you are able to water daily for a week or two, the roots should take off quickly in hot soil. Shade if possible and necessary. Mulch if you can. I think plants are better-off being moved around as few times as possible, and the sooner the better as far as getting them going in their permanent location. |
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| So do you think I should move all my perennials now or wait until cooler weather? I am so afraid to try replanting them in this heat. I am able to water heavily if necessary, though. |
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| If you can wait till cooler weather, wait. If you must plant them now, do this. However, watering might not be enough. Be prepared to shade the plants with the methods described above. I am your neighbor (MD). I completely re-planted two beds on my front yard two weeks ago. These beds are facing west; they are in full shade till noon and in dappled shade during the rest of the day. Several cool nights last week helped. I mulched all plants and I water them every night. The result is good - although some plants look stressed, only one out of 30+ is probably dying. I am very sad about this - it is a rare Camelia that I was nursing for 3 years. I also planted all new plants I received from Bluestone Perennials. All of them look perfectly fine. If your beds receive full sun, it will be much more hard to help them get established. Especially if we will have more 100F days... |
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| My normal method is to keep new plants in the shade for a few days and then plant. I keep them well watered and mulched. Of course, normally, I'm in a fairly temerate climate although we just came off of two 100 degree days in a row. I like to get all my planting done by June although that isn't always possible. |
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| We had new beds put in and added dozens of perennials in the worst of last summer's heat (mid-July). Almost all of them made it. Water!! |
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| Didn't read everybody except for the first few, but.... I agree with Ken. Plant in pots, then worry about 'em later since you can put pots in a safe place NOW. Plus, in pots, they get a chance to 'regroup' with the roots. You sorta get a brand new plant like from the store "in a a pot" so to speak, if you let them grow for a bit (so use plastic pots). Of course, that's a hassle in itself with needing a tray underneath all to trap water for a bit, but still....much easier than trying to "play nurse" to many transplants in direct sun in your garden. Something I've learned (been taught) on this site: Take your time.....don't panic (which that's all I knew how to do...lol). At least in pots, IN SHADE, you can baby them individually vs planting somewhere you're not sure about & having to worry about the sun/heat plus watering the entire ground every day. However...what do I know? I'm still learning myself...lol |
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| I just don't understand the logic behind keeping sun plants in a pot in the shade. She said she can water them every day, which should be all the extra attention they need. |
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- Posted by mxk3 z5b/6 MI (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 11, 11 at 10:59
| The reason for placing the pots in the shade or providing supplemental shade if planted in the ground, at least for a while, is that by digging/transplanting the roots are damaged (it's inevitable), and the plant is "shocked". If one puts in full, hot sun immediately after transplanting the plants have a very difficult time providing themselves with enough water - plants may only suffer cosmetic damage for the remainder of the season, which may or may not be an issue to the grower, but there's also a chance the plants may be stunted in subsequent years before making a full recovery or, worse, give up the ghost entirely. Also, the soil in pots dries out quicker than soil in the ground. If placing plastic pots in full hot sun, while the soil won't dry out as quickly as it would if in clay pottery, the soil can get very HOT in full sun, and may fry the roots. When I store plants in pots temporarily, I definitely place them in a spot that gets shade at least for afternoon when the sun is strongest. Morning or evening sun (or both) is okay. :0) |
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| Yeah, I've read the same stuff you have, but that doesn't make it logical. Plants that have been dug-up have a difficult time obtaining water whether they're in a pot or in the ground. I think the sooner they regrow roots, the better. I've lost very few doing this with many different plants in high temps. It seems like unnecessary work for the person and restraint of root formation for the plants to hold them in pots longer than it takes to dig holes and get them in the ground. Then the plants have to go through another location change and being re-planted. It's the kind of thing that people like to say because they've heard it before, juicy rationalization of why they're putting it off until it's cooler, or it sounds like importantly complicated insider info, but they rarely actually do it themselves. Nobody wants to wait for their plants to get as big and beautiful ASAP. And sometimes your circumstances can change, and later you may not have the time. I don't want to sound argumentative, just firmly rooted in my convictions about this. By fall, you can have a bunch of yearning-for-the-sun, pot-bound plants, or big healthy ones with full-grown root systems, ready to withstand winter. |
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- Posted by mxk3 z5b/6 MI (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 11, 11 at 23:05
| I answered your post re: why put the pots in the shade - nothing more, nothing less. I made no argument for or against storing the transplants in pots in the post @ 10:59 am today, though I did mention that I have done it; neither did I recommend planting in pots in my post of yesterday @ 1510. I have absolutely no problem with someone disagreeing with something I've posted but insinuating that I have read information and am parroting said information without having any practical experience is not appreciated. |
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| mxk3, you're right. I don't know you well enough to make such an insinuation. I didn't intend to aim my parroting comment at you but it ended up sounding that way. I hope you will accept my apology. |
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| Well, I'm now more confused then ever! I did repot them and they are on my front porch in the shade and looking very healthy. Here it is almost July and I am just afraid to put them out. My perenn beds are all in full sun on a south-facing slope that faces the front of my house. Though I am willing and able to water several times/day if need be they will be in bright sun all day long. Should I do the laundry basket thing? Someone gave me some "shade cloth" which is similar to what I use over my lettuce bed in the summmer. I could use some of that if I figure out a way to support it over the plants. I really didn't want to plant these all in the same spot but I guess I could and move them in the fall. Thanks for your help! |
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| Don't be confused, just plant them out in early evening & water well in the hole before filling hole, & apply a moist mulch. If you'll be watching & watering them (doing finger test 1st to see if water is needed) full sun plants should thrive in your spot & might not even have any set back from transplanting. I have a cool summer climate with occasional hot spells & planted out all summer last year, but wasn't planting in full sun locations except for vegetable garden. I learned to avoid wetting the plants' leaves when watering so plant doesn't shock as much. Using a yogurt cup as a scoop in a bucket works for that. Laundry baskets or pieces of shingles stood upright to shade the plants some might be helpful if the appearance & bother pleases you for a day or two. |
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| Water, water, water. I move things whenever I have a shovel in my hand but I fill the hole with water first and soak it good when planted. Keep them well watered, don't let them dry out at all for a couple of weeks until they have recovered and are growing again. I am moving a lot of things right now, some blooming, into a newly landscaped area, but we are having several days of rain. I try to disturb the roots as little as possible, as well. |
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| That's a great idea to fill the hole with water first and soak it good when planted. It also helps to water the plant itself and give the plant time to really drink up the water before you dig it up and transplant it. When transplanting in the summer heat I can't help but kick myself in the butt for throwing away all those broken umbrellas over the years! lol Now, sticking an old umbrella in the ground to shade a newly transplanted plant would make a very nice shade, indeed. |
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| Well, I agree to pot them up and put in shade. Last year, I didn't have the patience I should have, started moving things around in the heat of the summer and lost several plants and I'm kicking myself now. I went out and watered them every day. But the transplant shock and the heat and sun was just too much. It's not just a matter of babying the plant with water every day. It's already stressed. Planting perennials in the fall is fine and if you continue to water through October (for my zone anyway) they should have developed an ample root system to survive the winter. In fact, I don't know that I've ever lost a plant I planted in the fall unless it was marginally hardy in my zone. I'd pot them up, talk to Grandma who I'm sure has a lot of heart into those plants, figure out what they are, and find a permanent location in the fall, OR plant them in the shade now and move them to their permanent location in the fall when the weather cools. Planting them in the summer heat and hot sun could be detrimental. I think Grandma would be very disappointed if that happened. |
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| The people who have responded here have much more gardening experience, but I did want to add things I didn't see while skimming. If they were already addressed, excuse my redundancy. If the roots are REALLY damaged, shade would seem to be certainly best. It gets just so amazingly hot down there that a healthy root would be very important. But, I would think divides with very healthy roots on them would still make it with daily DEEP watering. On top of that I would think one thing that would be helpful would be making sure nothing goes to seed at all. That would take energy away from the roots developing. You might even consider cutting off some flowers --just leaving a few--to send more energy to the roots. If people with more experience would chime in on these suggestions I'd appreciate it, as I'd love to have the "right thing to do" in my bag of tricks for future use. |
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