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It's Helenium time!

Posted by christinmk z5b eastern WA (My Page) on
Fri, Aug 15, 14 at 23:39

I think Helenium might be a new obsession of mine. The more I get the more I want, LOL! It becomes worse this time of year...when they are in their full glory.

I thought it would be fun to swap pics and experiences of different varieties. As many as you want. Close-ups, garden shots, don't matter!

At work we have some 'Short n' Sassy' that I have been wondering about. I'm not sure it looks different enough [in color] from 'Mardi Gras' to warrant me getting one. Since space is at a premium I like to get distinctly different ones!

They had a nice 'Moerheim Beauty' at another local nursery, along with one called 'Chelsey' that had no flowers yet.

Here are mine!

'Mardi Gras' with seedling from 'Green Jewel' Coneflower
Coneflower & Helenium 'Mardi Gras' photo coneflwhelen_zps28dcef23.jpg

MG with Pennisetum 'Karley Rose'
Helenium 'Mardi Gras' & Pennisetum 'Karley Rose' photo frontbedaug1414_zpsa0bb2736.jpg

'Rubenzwerg'- stand out red shade!
Helenium 'Rubenzwerg' photo heleniumrubenz_zpsacacaeb0.jpg

'Coppelia' with golden 'Mops' Cypress in back
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'Tie Dye' with blue oat grass
Helenium 'Tie Dye' photo heleniumtiedye_zps6377f98f.jpg

'Zimbelstern' in his full glory! Never has he been so big. He is as tall as I am (about 5ft 3in).

Helenium 'Zimbelstern' -full plant pic photo Hzimbelsternfullplantpic_zpsc1f7c6f9.jpgZim with a non-variegated seedling of 'Becky Towe' phlox
Helenium 'Zimbelstern' & Phlox photo heleniumampphlox_zpsd0453cd4.jpg

Front sunny-side garden with 'Mardi Gras', bronze fennel in middle, & 'Zimbelstern' in back
Front garden July 14/14 photo frontsungardjuly1414_zps02632151.jpg

It's been linked to a few times before, but here is an incredible site dedicated to Helenium! Below...
CMK

Here is a link that might be useful: Helenium.net


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Christin, you really have some beauties. I picked up 'Ruby Tuesday' a couple of weeks ago, the only other one I've had is 'Moerheim Beauty' but that was some years ago.
No picture of my R.T., I've just deadheaded the spent flowers so it doesn't look like much right now but I'm looking forward to pictures of everyone else's.

I just had a quick look at the link you provided I had no idea there were so many different varieties. Another perennial we don't see much in the garden centers around here :(.

Annette


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I have tried growing Heleniums several times in my 'hot' bed because the colour of the orangey-red ones are perfect there. None made it past their second summer, and most die after the first winter :-( Yours are beautiful and I'm wildly jealous! :-)


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Again, there is another genus of plants I have none of and I think I will be one to admire yours from very afar! Keep those pictures coming CMK. (I especially like that 'zim').


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H. Mardi Gras has been blooming for at least 6 weeks now without deadheading. I can't say enough good things about this plant.
From July 20, 2014 house

The pollinators seem to love it as much as I do, as it is usually abuzz with bees.
From July 20, 2014 house

This is the sole survivor of a severe vole attack out of 6 seed grown plants, and is just starting to bloom now. I think it's the one I liked the best of the 6, so I am glad it survived, but I think I will see if I am able to grow others from seed. It's about a foot taller than Mardi Gras.

From August 16, 2014

Last September I was delighted to see what I assume is the species growing along the Green River in Canyonlands National Park, UT.


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christin, I planted Mardi Gras a couple of years ago in memory of my dearest friend, Helen, but I think I've let some monarda take over and reduce the vitality of Mardi. Thanks to your post, I will rectify that this afternoon.
Thank you!
Pat


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Like helenium a lot.
Have had, or have, quite a few.

For us, they bridge the gap between most phlox and then fall asters and monkshood.

Had three, however, which started coming into bloom in mid July; namely, 'Sahin's Early Flower', 'The Bishop' and 'Wyndley'.

Particularly like the tallest of those, 'Sahin's Early Flowerer' (Picture below: August 14, 14). Think it has the largest flowers I've seen on an helenium.


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I grew some helenium from seed a few years back and really enjoyed them, but they seemed to peter out on me. Can't remember the name... Autumn Buttons or something like that...?

Then last year I planted Dancing Flames in my garden and my friend's. Her are spectacular, 3 feet tall, gorgeous color, and a non-stop bloom machine! Mine? They've barely grown from the size they were when planted, and had a few nice but measly blooms. But I'm hoping next year they take off. I think my friend's soil is radioactive or something since everything we plant in it grows three times bigger than advertised, lol.

CMK, LOVE that Rubenszwerg! Wow! I definitely want to try more of these plants, but I'm a bit worried that they are not long-lived, after my experience so far. Do they reseed at all? Mine didn't seem to, but I've never had enough of them to really tell.

Dee


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  • Posted by dbarron Z6/7 (Oklahoma) (My Page) on
    Sat, Aug 16, 14 at 12:09

Autumn Shades was it? I have one of those newly planted from a native plants nursery. For me, slugs take the new growth out in the spring (or that's what happened this year in he spring).
They don't seem to be generally available here in my part of the country?


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Re longevity of Dancing Flames ('Flammenspiel').

Like all the heleniums I've grown, it needs division (even separation of the new plantlets?) and replanting with upgraded soil every few years, at least in our growing conditions.

Without this, we get shorter and less floriferous plants, which over a few years just peter away.

They also don't do so well without either rain or attention to watering.


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SB - if all that is the case, that's probably why they disappeared fast here - lousy soil, no division, no supplemental watering.... I expected a member of the aster/daisy family to be tough enough to fend for itself ! :-)


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No, dbarron, I looked it up (way back from 2005!) and it was Autumn Lollipop. I could have sworn it had "Buttons" in the name - must be thinking of something else. I also tried Sunshine Hybrids from seed but I don't think those were as successful.

These heleniums might be a bit too much work for me - I never seem to get around to dividing stuff. But mine are in good soil, so that's a plus. I'll have to try to stay on top of these (she says yet again....)

:)
Dee


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Woody, I know that you pay attention to whole garden designs, including shrubs and trees, as well as perennials.

I do think that, for some gardeners, helenium is a high maintenance perennial that can take too much time to maintain over years; at least if they have a lot of it.

I was always very pleased with the stand of Helenium autumnale below (in a garden I planted and maintained). However, I used to pull the stand to pieces, after it was cut back in fall and then replanted four or five dozen plantlets, every three years. Found four years was too long. Also upgraded the soil.

You read that heleniums are "heavy feeders" and maybe it works, using a fertilizer (as long as too much is not used).

The garden above had as sprinkler system that worked very well for the heleniums.

Have six foot 'Sonnenwunder' in our garden. I don't cut down heleniums in spring to get branching and blooming at a lower height. Over a couple of years the 'Sonnenwunder' regularly blooms at a lower height, reminding me to divide and replant it for next year.

Picture: August 31, 2009.


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-Annette, RT looks awesome! Love to see pics of it in the future. Almost seems to have a more bluish-red tint to it.

-Doug, definitely give one a try someday! I couldn't imagine not having them in my garden now...

-nhbabs, I think 'Mardi Gras' is probably the most floriferous plant I grow. Like the seed grown one you have. I've been meaning to try growing some by seed in hopes of getting some oddballs.

-Dee, I've never found any naturally reseeding unfortunately.

-SunnyB, wonderful pictures & phenomenal color! This reminds me that I want a phlox behind the Mardi Gras in the backyard. Maybe one of those weirdoes like 'Natural Feelings'...
CMK


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I certainly do like Heleniums but the problem for me in my Dutch garden is to keep them going for more than 1 year. Its not the cold but our wet winters and the slugs and snails in spring that are their biggest enemies.

This year I have "Moerheim Beauty" in my garden and it is doing really well. You can see it planted in front of the grey-blue leaves of Cynara cardunculus.


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Same group of plants a couple of weeks later and picture taken from a different standpoint. The flower colour of "Moerheim Beauty" is now more orangy-yellow.


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-GardenPrince, I am in awe. Your garden is absolute perfection- something I could dream of creating.

Is that a Sanguisorba in the background of 2nd pic?

I really like that MH Beauty. Good to know it turns orange later on...that is something I had wondered about.

Beautiful. Thank you for sharing and please share lots more with us in the future! ;-)
CMK


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Thanks,
And very pretty pictures from everyone.

Interesting GP about the colour change in 'Moerheim Beauty'.

I had it in the past, but it only last three years.
Too late to check for colour change!

Haven't noticed colour change in our longer lived 'Rubinzwerg', 'Ruby Tuesday' or 'Red Jewel'.


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Thanks for the compliments!

Yes that is Sanguisorba "Pink Brushes" in the second picture.

Here is a close-up of the flowers.


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This is my second year growing Helenium "Salsa":

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(Rudbeckia "Viette's Little Suzy" is in the background)

The only other Helenium I grow is a seed mix ("Helena"), which turned out to be all yellow. I'll be trying other kinds.


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SunnyBorders, thanks for the tip on dividng every 3 years. I bought 2 Mardi Gras last year and I really like them. Next year I want to add "Moerheim Beauty".

Interesting that many of the photos show the heleniums in full bloomr are just starting to bloom. My Mardi Gras is almost done and just has seedheads. Wonder why.


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Almost missed this post, awesome pictures and I hope it keeps going!
I have one helenium which has suffered along in a dry spot and does not look happy at all. Love them in other gardens and maybe I need to give mine a little first aid next year.


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Thought I'd lost this one two years ago, but have moved it to a location where I can keep a closer eye on it.

One of my favourites, 'Feuersiegel', yesterday.


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And then there's the Helenium autumnale cultivars that, with some Rudbeckia, are such a great colour bridge here between the summer garden phlox and fall asters and monkshood.

Yesterday.


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So glad to see some conversation about Heleniums. I've had Mardi Gras for six or seven years now and it's a blooming machine! I really really like it.

I've wanted to add a few more varieties this year, but I don't see them in my local nurseries. Can anyone recommend some mail order sources?


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Forest Farms has a nice selection. I ordered 3 this spring and will be ordering more (if not all they carry) next year.

Kevin


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I had Ruby Tuesday, and talk about an underperformer! Ripped those out after watching a piddly display last year. Replaced them with Red Jewel and I'm loving those. Here's a couple pics:
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Not bad for their first year!


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When I was doing my annual august perennial prowl at a favorite nursery a couple of days ago 'Hot Lava' and 'Double Trouble' found their way into my cart along with several other things :). My pot getto is bursting at the seams just waiting until the beds are ready. Hopefully they'll all be planted and settled in before winter arrives, a nice long indian summer would fit the bill quite nicely.

Annette


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Update to photo I posted two weeks ago of Helenium "Salsa", showing mellowing of color to terra-cotta shade:

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-fun, that is too bad RT wasn't a good performer for you. That RJ is SUPERB though! Love how the eye of the Coreopsis compliments it.

-Eric, that pic should be in a nursery catalog. I would totally buy 'Salsa' based on that pic!
CMK


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'Double Trouble' latest addition to my pot ghetto.
Annette


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"that pic should be in a nursery catalog."

Based on the ethics of nursery site webmasters, it's not unlikely...


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  • Posted by dbarron Z6/7 (Oklahoma) (My Page) on
    Tue, Sep 2, 14 at 16:00

Lol Eric, I resent that....the site I maintain has only my or the owners photos (lol)...doesn't hurt that I'm a semi-pro photographer either.
But I agree that's a lovely photo....only thing that could be better would be the wooden fence quite a bit more out of focus.


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'Flammenspiel'.


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I am loving this thread! Such pretty photos!

And I am ever so envious of those of you who have so many of those that I'd like to acquire. But I can't find them anywhere for sale. Forest Farm doesn't have any I want, Digging Dog is out of two that I do want, Bluestone has become ridiculously expensive and only has one listed I want anyway......

Hopefully there will be more sources next spring


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'Rotgold', today:


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