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Rodgersia and shade

Posted by rouge21 5b (My Page) on
Sat, Sep 22, 12 at 10:08

I am thinking ahead to 2013 and there is a section of our property that I am contemplating making into a mostly perennial garden. It is in a back corner, a sector shape with a radius of about 12 feet (so around 110 square feet but some of this will be taken up with 2 existing wooden composters). This section receives very little direct sun due to a tall cedar hedge on one side and very dense overhead branches from a large tree along the back side. I know there may be an issue with intruding roots but the dominant tree on the park side of our fence is not a maple or willow so I am hopeful a garden can coexist.

I am hoping that even with lack of sun it doesnt have to be a hosta, heuchera garden. But I will consider more colourful additions later. Right now it is interesting to think about possible anchor plants.

I have always been trying to find an excuse to plant a the very slow growing Japanese Maple Acer shirasawanum 'Aureum' but maybe more realistic regarding size could be a "Rodgersia" or two. As I recall GW member scottyboipdx very much likes these plants in his garden.

But the question most important to me is the amount of shade these plants can take and still thrive.

There are a few varieties that are more compact. For example I see Terra Nova has introduced "Bronze Peacock".

Anyways I am just wondering about your experiences with these "Rodgersia" in varying light conditions.

Here is a link that might be useful: Bronze Peacock


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For the last three years I have Rodgersia, not the Bronze Peacock, but the regular one. It does very well with dense shade. It is also competing with very aggressive tree roots. It does require that the soil be kept moist. This year it flowered with a very large flower truss, consisting of a great many very small white blooms. Not very attractive, but I left it on, next time I would just remove it. Al


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Hi Rogue! Rodgersias definitely do fine in quite a bit of shade. I had mine in a spot where they got some mid-day sun and they scorched pretty badly. I moved them to full shade and they are much happier. They definitely benefit from having soil that is moist at all times...and protect them from drying winds. I have a few different varieties (bot 'Bronze Peacock', think that's new this year). In most of them, the color is more noticeable during the cooler parts of the year...they green up during the heat of summer. Give them a try...they take a few years to really bulk up, but a mature clump (and yes, they do spread...slowly) is very impressive!


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Any pictures 'Scotty' that you could post showing your best Rodgersia?


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There are many new varieties of freely blooming Rodgersias with ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS FLOWERS, especially from Germany. Just check the links below

http://www.staudensichtung.de/ergebnisse.html?Aufruf=ja&anfang=740&schrittzahl=10

Here is a link that might be useful: Rodgersias


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I wonder if any of these German "Rodgersia" are any of these 14 varieties that I have access to:

Here is a link that might be useful: Rodgersia at my nursery


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Hi Rogue...here are a few
Rodgersia rotlaub patch
Rodgersia podophylla 'Rotlaub'

Rodgersia superba blossom
Rodgersia aescufolia 'Superb'

rodgersia chocolate wings  1616
Rodgersia 'Chocolate Wings'


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I totally forgot that I did a post on Rodgersias earlier this year!
DOH!

Here is a link that might be useful: My Love Affair With Rodgersias


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Rouge, yes, Die Schone (with an umlaut) is German(translates to the beautiful one). Braunlaub is misspelled(translates to brown foliage)


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I love rodgersias. I only grow the Rodgersia aesculifolia (no variety name...) as I prefer the shape and texture of the leaves of that one. And it is the leaves you grow them for - I usually cut off the flowers. They are tougher than the 'moist soil' requirement might lead you to believe. A lot of mine grow quite happily in reasonably dry conditions - in fact the ones that get the most moisture are wimpy in comparison in my garden! The ones in the pictures below grow under the shade and canopy of white pines. They get some sun around noon when the sun is directly over a 'hole' in the tree canopy. The dense carpet of pine needles and the dry conditions under the pines limits what grows there but these rodgersias do fine with the rain that falls through the 'hole' in the canopy.

In early June not long after the leaves emerge:
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Lost Horizons is a great nursery! :-)

In August, viewed from further back - the rodgersias are on the shed side near the bend in the path.
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Thanks Woodyoak for those pictures. I am just curious as to how old/mature are your 'Rodgersia aesculifolia' and how large they get by August?

Lost Horizons is a great nursery!

I too love it. I have my handful of nurseries I rely on and this one is tops.

I wonder if there are similarly organized (or should I say disorganized ;) nurseries in the US?


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Those rodgersias are probably about 10 years old, but they've been a good size since they were about 3 years old. The leaves are 3'+ wide by August. These ones grow the biggest of all the ones I have - I think the fairly deep shade makes them grow bigger leaves to capture as much light as possible.

I'm not sure where you are but have you ever been to Northland Nursery? (see link below) That's a great place to pick up plants at a good price. Because they are largely a wholesale propagation business, you do have to be careful to ensure that what you're buying is well rooted and not a recent cutting that hasn't a lot of roots. In the spring you need to look for the stuff that has obviously overwintered and is growing strongly again. I don't shop there in early-mid summer as most things are recent divisions, cuttings or seedlings. But late summer/early fall is good (I just bought a bunch of stuff a week or so ago...) as things are reasonably well established by then.

Here is a link that might be useful: Northland Nursery


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Thanks for that note re Northland. Doing a quick scan I am betting that they have (many) more perennial varieties than is shown on their online catalogue. And when I am down in Waterdown I sometimes stop into the large Connon Nurseries sales yard.


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It sounds like we hit a lot of the same places... Connon's wholesale side is usually where I end up, rather than the retail store... Have you been to Hortico in Waterdown? That place makes Lost Horizons look obsessively neat and tidy! :-) But it was the only place I could find white redbud trees. I think Hortico's best known for their roses but it's trees and shrubs that I go there for - although I haven't been there this year.

Here is a link that might be useful: Hortico


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  • Posted by mxk3 z5b/6 MI (My Page) on
    Sat, Sep 29, 12 at 14:05

I love Rodgersias! I only have the plain 'ol green ones, but if find one of the bronze cultivars locally, I'll definitely snatch it up. Haven't any of you noticed the fragrance of the blooms? Lovely, honey-like scent. I've also noticed flies like to rest on the leaves - not sure what's up with that.

Anyway, here's Roger. He's on the patio, which faces north and only gets limited early morning sun, though the rest of the day the shade is bright shade. I also have a Rodgersia planted in the ground on the west side of the house, where he does well.

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'woody', I have been scanning the on line catalogue for HORTICO....wow! Such a huge variety of perennials. I wonder how many of these they really carry.

I take it you have been there in person? What's it like?

And it appears they mail order. I have bookmarked their site.

Thank you.


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I haven't been tto Hortico for a couple of years now. The times I've been there in the past, the perennials were in rough shape - but the trees and shrubs were good. Over the years they have flirted with bankruptcy a few times :-) so, lets just say, the facilitiy does not look like a lot of money was lavished on it... :-) But, maybe it's better now - I should check it out again but there's nothing I really need at the moment.

The other nursery we go to when we're looking for special things is Vineland Nurseries in Niagara - have you been there? If you're looking for Japanese maples or interesting evergreens in particular, that's the place to go. If they don't have what you're looking for, they will get it for you.

What are your favorite nurseries aside from Lost Horizons?

Here is a link that might be useful: Vineland Nurseries


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For sure thanks for the information 'woody'. I would love to be able to plant trees but it is not possible on our small property.

For a 'brick and mortar' nursery of course I like LH. But also "Connon", "Harpers", "Glen Echo", "Humber", "Mason House Gardens" and "Johns Garden".


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I've not been to Glen Echo but it's on my list of ones that look worth a visit someday. I'm also not familiar with Harpers, Mason House (although the name sound familiar....) or Johns - I'll have to find out more about those ones....


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mxk3 wrote:

I love Rodgersias! I only have the plain 'ol green ones, but if find one of the bronze cultivars locally, I'll definitely snatch it up.

Well I beat you to the punch! I was out this chilly morning and the independent nursery in my area had several "Bronze Peacocks" for sale. I snapped one up (see picture). I have no idea where I will plant it.

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  • Posted by mxk3 z5b/6 MI (My Page) on
    Sun, Oct 7, 12 at 16:19

Lucky you! I've checked out a few places around here but no luck so far.


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So I have the plant with no place to put it and you have the place but no plant....um...where do you live? ;)


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Love these pics of Rodgersia. I'm putting this on my wish list. Rouge21, what combination are you contemplating?


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daysquid wrote: what combination are you contemplating?

Some of

- "Liberty" Hosta
- "Lutea" Corydalis
- Japanese Maple 'Aureum'
- Dogwood 'Ivory Halo'
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I have a Rodgersia species (tag has long been lost) growing near the north wall of my house - no actual shade, but very little direct sun except a bit in June-July. It has expanded to a large clump and flowers nicely. Hostas and Tricyrtis also do well in this bed.


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I just ordered Rodgersia Pinnata "Fireworks" from Lazy S's and it arrived today with a few more things I can't seem to find around here! I plan to plant it in partial shade down beside our koi pond where the soil stays moist but not competely wet and boggy. I hope it will be happy there! I don't know why I can't find them locally. They are beautiful and are 'supposed' to do well in our zone. I also bought a bottlebrush buckeye after seeing one on the grounds of the High Hampton Inn last year in Highlands, North Carolina. It was massive and gorgeous! I plan to plant it in partial shade down near our creek.


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