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mxk3 z5b/6 MI (
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Mon, Sep 23, 13 at 22:41
| I saw one lonely pot of "Blue Lagoon" monkshood (dwarf variety) at the nursery, it was a lovely, healthy specimen getting ready to bloom, so of course it made its way home with me... Now I don't know what to do with it, since I've never grown monkshood - so do I put it in sun or part-sun, and can it tolerate semi-dry soil or is it a moisture-lover? Thanks! |
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| I don't grow monkshood since there's a teen who lives next door and I'm concerned about its poisonous properties but...conventional wisdom says that it needs a bit of partial shade. According to what I've read it requires soil that retains moisture. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Missouri Botanical Garden
RE: Monkshood
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- Posted by morz8 Z8 Wa coast (My Page) on
Tue, Sep 24, 13 at 0:13
| It's not going to like dry soil, can take quite a bit of sun with evenly moist growing conditions. I can grow in full sun here in this mild climate, you may want to consider some bright mid day shade if that is available to you. And none of the neighborhood children are in the habit of eating my plants :) |
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gardenweed--you're concerned about a teenager coming to graze in your garden!! A toddler maybe. But a teenager!! Are there yews (at leat as toxic) at your house or his? Does he eat those? |
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I agree with morz8- for me they can only do full sun if they get adequate moisture to compensate. I think this type situation is better than in a lot of shade, since that kind of situation seems to encourage fungal issues for Aconitum (at least here). CMK |
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| Find monkshood to be very hardy here. We have several forms growing well in partial shade, in front of a cedar hedge. The soil is periodically upgraded and we pay attention to watering the whole garden, as needed. I'm assuming the (swamp) cedar hedge takes a lot of water. I plant monkshood at the back or in the middle of mixed perennial beds (to get it away from children and pets), to which end it is convenient that many attractive monkshood cultivars are quite tall. The fall monkshood (Arendsii Group) are not in bloom here yet. Below fall monkshood (October 28, 2011). |

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| The prettiest monkshood colour I've seen is violet blue flowered 'Spark's Variety'. Have grown a clump of common monkshood (Aconitum napellus) in full sun (was a sprinkler system) for ten years. Below, 'Spark's Variety' (August 13, 21012) The only problem is that its excessive height makes it difficult to stake. |

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-SB, I agree! Sparks is one of the prettiest varieties. It does lean a good deal, so I've always grown it near other plants that it can prop itself up against/or weave itself amongst to keep it upright. It was really lovely some years ago when I had it with some tall oriental lilies. Here it is this year with 'Nora Leigh' Phlox... CMK |

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| Repeated = truly impressed. |
This post was edited by SunnyBorders on Tue, Sep 24, 13 at 14:25
RE: Monkshood
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| I grow my monkshood in part to mostly sun in average moisture and average soil. I have it in the middle of the border because it is so tall. In about five years, the plants form about a 2-3 foot clump at which time I put a shovel in it in very early spring just as the leaves start growing and break off sections to pot up for giving away. Otherwise the center of the clump starts hollowing out. About 2/3 of the plants in the garden are toxic to some extent including azalea leaves, foxglove, leaves of all of the prunus (cherry, plum etc.,) tomato leaves, leaves of bleeding heart, stems of daffodils. The list could go on and on. The key with all of these is that they also taste terrible, usually very bitter. Unless someone was starving, putting a single bite in their mouth would result in spitting it out. And a single bite is not going to kill someone, especially a teenage size person. |
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| The statistic I'd read is that 40% of (garden) perennials are poisonous, at least to some extent. I do still think it wise to be cautious with very poisonous plants like monkshood. On one occasion, I stopped a housekeeper from using (apparently kitchen) scissors to cut common monkshood for a kitchen bouquet. Of course, some monkshood is used for cut flowers. And this is obviously not the same as the classic of mistaking monkshood root for horseradish. Very different situation: Murder by monkshood (recent): A former mistress was charged in London, England, in January 2010 with poisoning her former lover and his fiancé with (Indian) monkshood in their food. The lover died, but quick extreme medical intervention did save the fiancé who hadn't ingested so much. |
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| OT I know, but here was an interesting site giving a full history of monkshood and it's use as a poison throughout history... There is a lot of intriguing info on this site besides the Aconitum! It's not weird that I read up on poisonous plants is it?? ;-] Lol CMK |
Here is a link that might be useful: The Poison Garden
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| OK, so I innocently follow Christin's link above, and I find that site to be intriguing. I am relieved to see that the cat is definitely not dead, in fact it is snoozing contentedly (you'll have to see the site to get what I'm talking about). Moving on, I'm clicking and learning about poisonous and not-so-poisonous plants. All good stuff, and well-written too. And then the entry for prickly lettuce: "Hildegard of Bingen calls prickly lettuce a useless plant and says anyone who eats it will become mindless. She says the related wild lettuce is useful for suppressing desire. A man with excessive lust should cook the lettuce in water and use the water to pour over himself in a sauna whilst having the cooked lettuce wrapped around his loins. Having the genitals wrapped in any sort of limp wet leaves might be expected to reduce desire." OMG that is funny. Good thing I work at home rather than in a crowded office because there was a definite giggle-factor there. Sorry for the thread drift, in an immature direction to boot! But it's snowing out and I can't garden, so I may as well be entertained in other ways! :) Thanks for the link Christin! |
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| Thanks, interesting reading. Accidental deaths, homicides, warfare (poisoned weapons) and suicides; the history of monkshood's got it all. Still long-lived and hardy perennials with various blues, plus blue in fall, the monkshoods have a lot to offer perennial gardeners (at least here). |
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| Snowing??!!! Did you say snowing? Wow, you must be higher up in the mountains than I realized! No wonder why you are having fun reading about genitals being wrapped in wet greens. I'd need a distraction from snow at this time too, lol! :) Dee |
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| I would think one of the first things you would teach children (before they become teenagers) is not to munch on garden things indiscriminately. If you were to avoid planting anything in your yard that was not poisonous, you would have a very boring yard. So many people worry about pets eating poisonous plants but I think they instinctively know what to avoid. If not, they get sick and avoid it in the future. |
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- Posted by mxk3 z5b/6 MI (My Page) on
Wed, Sep 25, 13 at 20:52
| "A man with excessive lust should cook the lettuce in water and use the water to pour over himself in a sauna whilst having the cooked lettuce wrapped around his loins. Having the genitals wrapped in any sort of limp wet leaves might be expected to reduce desire." Never mind him -- seeing a nekkid man with his genitals wrapped in lettuce leaves is definitely going to kill MY desire LOL! |
Monkshood...or not?
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| I simply made the choice not to knowingly plant known poisonous perennials in my garden when I moved here and the teen next door was only in elementary school. Could I grow it now? Absolutely, but I designed my garden beds specifically to attract pollinators and filled them rather quickly with winter sown perennials. The last perennial I purchased from a commercial grower was hellebore (3 years ago). I'm happy with how my garden beds have evolved and have no burning need to add much. My garden pleases & satisfies me as well as the bees, butterflies, hummingbirds & folks walking past. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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| Hellebores are very poisonous. |
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- Posted by mxk3 z5b/6 MI (My Page) on
Thu, Sep 26, 13 at 8:01
| Christinmk: That photo is hauntingly beautiful |
RE: Monkshood
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| Dee, yes, we are having an early entree to winter here. It's actually not snowing at our elevation, but the hills are white not too far above us. For now we have 37 degree rain which might even be worse as far as unpleasantness goes. I'd say a cold rain is similar to limp, wet lettuce leaves in terms of dampening one's spirits! As for monkshood, I too have avoided it and hellebores due to their poisonous properties. Then again, last summer just as I finished planting a new row of daylilies, I learned those are toxic to cats. It's nearly impossible to avoid anything poisonous, so we all find our own comfort level. |
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| Daylilies are NOT toxic to cats. A rumor spread because those who claim toxicity think daylilies are lilies. They are not. Lilies are in the Lilium family and are toxic - daylilies are 'Hemerocollis'. I currently have 7 cats - outdoor/indoor and they munch only on things they need in their diet. My yard is full of poisonous stuff and they simply leave those things alone. I have plenty of lilies and the cats and dogs don't munch on them. |
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| Ryse - that is what I thought until I looked it up. I knew all along about lilium and I thought that since parts of the hemerocallis plant is edible by humans then they would not be toxic to cats. Apparently that is not true. But I've had daylilies and cats coexisting for decades so I opted to leave them in. But if I see a cat fixin' to chew on the leaves I chase them away. |
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| Re cats munching on lilies: To my knowledge, the great danger of lilies to cats is ingestion of the pollen, which destroys their kidney function. Apparently, ingestion of the pollen from something like an easter lily, that a cat brushes up against (viz. then cleans itself), requires very prompt veterinary attention or (may?) result(s) in a quick and painful death to the cat. |
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| Thanks SB and Mxk3! -Karin, glad you enjoyed the link. LOL. 'Lettuce wrapped loins' ...don't fancy restaurants sell that for $29.99?? ;-P CMK |
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| When I first moved into the house a friend told me I had foxglove growing and its very poisonous. I have three dogs so I immediately dug them up and got them the hell outta the back yard for fear the dogs would eat them. Turns out they were salvias... at any rate, I started looking up plants that are toxic to dogs... damn near everything in the yard is on that list. They leave everything alone for the most part (as far as eating)... trampling, totally different story |
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| The fall monkshood (Arendsii Group) are not in bloom here yet. Me too SB. Mine take even extra time to come into bloom as they are located in quite significant shade. But it does give me something to look forward to. |
RE: Monkshood
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| The fall monkshood (Arendsii Group) are not in bloom here yet. Me too SB. Mine take even extra time to come into bloom as they are located in quite significant shade. But it does give me something to look forward to. |
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