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Posted by rouge21 5b (My Page) on Sat, Oct 22, 11 at 10:43
| I have seen many posts this summer and fall extolling the virtues of Thalictrum 'Splendide'. I get the impression from my on-line reading that it is the superior variety of all the many perennial varieties of Thalictrum. However for many of us it is too large a plant for our smaller residential gardens.
Do you have personal experiences with smaller stature Thalictrums that are perform very well in your garden?
How much shade can these plants tolerate (and of course still flower)?
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RE: Thalictrum you like
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| You NEED (yes I am enabling!) to try out Thalictrum ichangense 'Evening Star'! It is a stellar little plant. Mine is about eight inches tall with small double-ish pink/purple flowers on delicate, wiry stems. Looking at my pics from spring, it looks like it started blooming late May early June and still has blooms as of today! The foliage is an interesting olive/bronze-purple color with light veins. It hasn't grown too much since last spring (when I got it), but that could be because it isn't in the best spot. Thalictrum kiusianum is another small type of Meadow Rue. I don't grow it myself (yet!), but think it is about the same height as 'Evening Star'. Thalictrum aquilegifolium is slightly bigger at around three feet, but still smaller than a lot of other kinds. Just got seeds of it, so can't say much about growing it yet. I've got other Thalictrums, but they are all the bigger sorts ;-)
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| I love Thalictrum rochebruneanum 'Lavender Mist'. It's a very tall plant (6 feet or more), but the whole thing is so light and airy, it's easy to use even in a small garden. I also grow kiusianum, but it's never grown over 3 inches tall which makes finding it a good place kind of difficult. Heck! The primrose next to it kind of overwhelms it! It's very cute though. As far as shade and sun goes, the more sun the better, but not hot afternoon sun. Kevin |
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-Kevin, interesting your kiusianum hasn't gotten bigger than three inches! Does it put on a good show of flowers though?? I also found placing my 'Evening Star' difficult, since it is such a delicate plant and probably easy to crowd out or overshadow with larger/showier shade plants! I ended up planting mine along the border of my front shade garden with some other 'mini' shade plants like Aslenium trichomanes and 'Moonlight Treasure' Tricyrtis.
CMK |
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| CMK Yes, it blooms nicely and has slowly spread to make a decent sized clump, but I do have to find a better place for it - just to make better use of its individual charm. 
The size of this plant has also puzzled me for a very long time. From what I've read, it should be taller. Maybe it was mislabeled when I purchased it and it's another species entirely? Kevin |
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| Kevin, I had the same problem with Thalictrum aquilegifolium Thundercloud. Catalogues said one meter or so. I have bougt it twice and both times it grew only to 40 cm or so . And there was nothing spectacular about it. Not a single thunder came out of it. I want also warn you about Thalictrum Black Stockings which is supposed to have black stems. Plants from laboratories DO NOT HAVE BLACK STOCKINGS! At least not all!! So buying plugs is 'risky'. |
RE: Thalictrum you like
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| -Kevin, adorable!!! I think it is charming that your plant is even MORE miniature! Did you buy it online or some local place? Only thing I could think of for it being uber small is that it is planted in a lot of shade and is therefore dwarfed OR it was seed raised and happens to have turned out to be a smaller form of the species. If you end up moving it to a sunnier site it might get taller, who knows! -wieslaw, how interesting that 'Black Stockings' does not come true by culture. I thought that vegetative propagation pretty much the only way to ensure a hybrid came true to form.
I feel the same. It is getting insane how many plants "they" are introducing onto the market as "new" or has some special, unique quality when in reality it looks exactly the same as many other cultivars out there!
CMK |
RE: Thalictrum you like
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| CMK I purchased this from someplace local years and years ago. Actually, it is getting quite a bit of sun - probably more than 3/4 day. Maybe the soil isn't moist enough? Not sure. I was thinking the same thing about possibly being a seed raised plant. Maybe these are highly variable if grown that way. K |
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| CMK, theoretically micropropagation should produce identical clones. But when daylilies began to be propagated some years ago , it was found out, that it is not always the case. A single cell can mutate, and when it is divided many times, thousands of mutants can be produced. The whole Europe is flooded with cheap daylilies from Holland, where the plants bear very remote resemblance to mother plants. I bought Sabine Bauer and when it bloomed it looked like dish water or something. This could be solved by letting the plants bloom before selling them and weed the mutants out. But here is the problem : nearly nobody does it. |
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| Thalictrums I have for different reasons, all deer resistant. Haven't heard of some that have been discussed. Spring blooming Thalictrum Aquilegifolium, blooming white, about 2-3 ft tall
 and pink
 Summer blooming, Thalictrum Rochebrunianium, blooms about a month, 4-5 ft tall.
 and my very favorite, which started blooming in July and is still blooming right now, doesn't spread (wished it would or at least set seed) Thalictrum Delavayi Decorum, about 3-4ft, lovely and airy in part shade
Flora |
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Oh Flora!!!! I am so in love with your Thalictrum delavayi decorum! I have never seen one offered around here...BOO! ;-(
CMK |
RE: Thalictrum you like
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I have tried T.d.decorum, died for me. The ones that thrive for me and are free from problems are: T.pubescens(= polygamum) from USA and T.flavens subsp. glauca. Different plants of T.flavens glauca differ in the degree of blueness of the leaves and the intensity of yellow flowers; they make a great companion plants for tall blue Delphiniums.
Thalictrum aquilegifolium is prone to mildew in dry places and is more often atacked by hordes of aphids. |
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| Call me crazy but I bought two 'Splendide' (in pots) TODAY (October 28). And just last night we got our first heavy frost! Tomorrow I will dig two holes and back fill with a combination of triple mix, 'rock dust' and a bit of sheep manure. And to finish it off I will surround them with lots of mulch. I am going all out to do what I can to give them a chance at surviving the winter. |
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| I noticed that the on-line 2012 catalogue of my favourite nursery shows a Thalictrum called Anne. I don't see much about it elsewhere online. They describe it as follows: An explosive new introduction with tall,dark purple
stems with masses of lavender ball-shaped buds
erupt in a fireworks of long yellow stamens.Blooms
in July and August.A hybrid between T.
rochebrunianum and T.flavum Do any of you have it? |
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| I do not have it, but as far as I know it is the same cross between T.rocherbrunianum and T.flavens as T. Elin. There was much rave about Elin too, so I bought it. It grew well and healthy, but the flowers did not resemble the beautiful pictures at all, so it went to the compost pile. There was nothing spectacular about it. Maybe the tissue culture has a bad influence on it. But I admit the foliage was quite good on this one |
RE: Thalictrum you like
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| this may not be helpful ... a few years back.. i bought a couple or 4 ... my favorite ended up being the one that survived my neglect.. and prospered ... and i have no clue which one it was ... please refer to the first line ken |
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