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Posted by christinmk z5b WA (My Page) on Fri, Oct 30, 09 at 22:17
| Hi guys! I have seen this plant in mags before, but didn't find out the name until just recently. I would love to know more about Petasites, commonly called Butterbur.
I read that they are invasive. How do they spread, and just how invasive are they? Are they the type of invasive plant (and yes, I know invasive can mean different things to different people/situations) that can be kept in check easily?
I have also read they need constant moisture. How true is this? Do they die if not given enough moisture, or just wilt until given extra water? Does the foliage scorch in too much sun?
I love the look of these plants. The bigger species/cultivars are amazing, though I certainly don't have the room for them. There is one kind, P. frigidas var. palmatus 'Golden Palms' that is a bit smaller at 2ft tall 4ft wide. It is z6-9, but it looks like something I might be able to get away with a little zone pushing.
I don't know if I will ever be able to get a Petasites, but I would love to know more about them anyhow.
Thanks!
CMK |
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| Christin, In a previous garden I started out with two plants that I got in a trade. I planted them in boggy conditions and within two years I had over 20, in a space of about one square yard! They increase by offsets/stolons. They were in full sun and never got scorched. Sorry I can't tell you if they will maybe be less aggressive spreaders if grown in less optimal conditions. I didn't bother trying to keep them in check. After two years I just dug them all up and planted something else in the bog. It was hard to get all of them, I'm sure I left a couple in there. Hope that helps. My advice is: Proceed with caution. I've heard the variegated one is less aggressive, but can't confirm that. |
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| Thank you dawiff! You have been very helpful. They are pretty things, but I think I might pass on them. I have learned my lesson when it comes to planting possibly invasive plants, especially in a garden with limited space. Oh, I love the look of bog gardens! What did you replace the Petasites with? CMK |
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| From what I saw in a friend's garden, I would not plant them. THey don't want to be controlled. |
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| CMK, I replaced them with hardy hibiscus, but I never got to see them bloom, because we moved away a couple of months after I took them out. There are other large-leaved plants that I'd love to try growing here in my new garden, many of them also like boggy conditions, but are less aggressive spreaders than Petasites. I don't know if you're familiar with them, but here's a list of plants I'm planning to try, if I can get my hands on them. I think a couple of them are hardy in your zone. Astilboides tabularis Darmera peltata Gunnera manicata The Petasites did give the area they were planted in a very lush, tropical look, but it wasn't worth the headache they posed. |
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| My vote would go to the Astilboides. I have it planted at the end of one of the downspouts from the eavestroughs near where a neighbouur's downspout also drains, so the area is wet. You get nice big leaves, but in 5 years or so it hasn't spread much. |
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| Thanks guys! -dawiff, great looking list! I am familiar with them (though I have only seen the Darmera once before...). My ex-neighbor used to grow Astilboides. Really interesting plant. But hers stayed small and only had a few leaves because she moved it around so frequently. You must have a lot of room in your new garden to grow a Gunnera! Those get about 12ft or more around in time don't they? Your garden will really look stunning with all of those big foliage plants. Have you ever tried an Ornamental Rhubarb? One, Rheum palmatum 'Atropurpureum' is really awesome. I just have a regular old rhubarb, but I do love the foliage. CMK |
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I think it depends on what zone you are in. I have Petasites for 3 years now and it is growing very slowly. However I am in zone 6 with little snow cover and lots of hot hot summer sun. |
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| I grew Petasites 'Golden Palm' for awhile (sucker for gold foliage!) in semishade with normal water. It tried to take over the earth! After diligently working to remove it from its original location, I discovered it growing clear across the garden......I'm still not sure how that happened. Darmera is native to this side of the Cascades. There is a large patch of it growing naturally in the ditch just up the road from me. The best part is how it looks in early spring when it blooms, before the leaves emerge. But I don't think I'd want to have it in my garden unless I had a LOT of space. |
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| Thanks for sharing your experience gardengal! That is interesting that it popped up at the other end of your garden. Do you think it seeded, or maybe a bit of root that got carried over there? Well that confirms it- I will not be getting a Petasites. Never knew Darmera was native. I have never seen them before when I was over your way, though then again I have never taken rambles deep into the blackberry patches in search of it ;-) I think I might end up going with a Rodgersia or Syneilesis aconitifolia. They are not too big but still have interesting foliage. CMK |
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| I love Rodgersia -- see link below. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Cool Plants -- Rodgersia
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| Any Rodgersia, or one of the Ligularias, also like the boggy conditions and partial shade and will give you the large foliage contrast that you are looking for without being invasive. |
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| The Rodgersia in my garden are not grown in "boggy conditions" -- just good garden soil, with some supplemental irrigation. |
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| Thanks. I have been thinking about getting that 'Chocolate Wings' Rodgersia, with the purple/chocolate colored spring foliage. Glad to know it doesn't require too much moisture. But, correct me if I am wrong, they do need a good amount of shade, right? I think I remember reading that the foliage can burn around the edges in too much sun. Not a big fan of Ligularia. The soil over here dries out too fast for them. CMK |
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| My Rodgersia were grown in near full-sun (see link above for pics). No doubt by mid-August, they were looking somewhat tired, but certainly not deathly. ;) Again, as mentioned previously, they did receive some supplemental irrigation. I would give them more shade if irrigation was minimal or not possible. Mind you, WA in May or June is likely very different than ON! |
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That was fast posting! Thanks Coolplantsguy. I live in Eastern WA, which can get very dry in summer. So it might be a good idea for me to plant it in a little shade. Thanks for the info! CMK |
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| I second dawiff. I planted Astilboides, darmera and petasites three years ago in an area that gets about 4/5 hours of full sun and where the soil stays on the moist (read NOT wet) side. I love the Astilboides and the Darmera. I hit the petasites with roundup last year when it started popping up in my lawn. The main plant is gone, but I'm still battling them coming up elsewhere in the yard. Alexis |
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- Posted by mxk3 z5b/6 MI (My Page) on
Fri, Nov 6, 09 at 16:01
| Another plug for Rodgersia - *gorgeous* foliage plant! The blooms have a lovely scent, too. |
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