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Bub. Another C3D story......

Posted by chickadeedeedee z 6-7 ish Ohio (My Page) on
Mon, May 22, 06 at 11:38

((Thought you were safe from these didn't you?))

It has been unseasonably cold and raining for the past 2 weeks. I have been feeding the birds up close to the house where the seeds stay dry. Four days ago I let the dogs outside to do what ever it is that dogs need to do outside.

Bosco, the German Shepherd, came back in quickly but our new addition, Daisy, a Keeshound / Elkhound mix puppy was out for a long time. She ignored my calling her back home. I went outside to see what she was up to. She had something in her mouth by the pond.

She ran toward me and dropped a bird at my feet. The poor thing! A young grackle (Quiscalus quiscula) was soaking wet, eyes closed and covered in mud. I picked him up and brought him inside. We towel dried and used a hair drier to warm him quickly. There was A LOT of mud to scoop from his beak.

There were no apparent injuries and he was tube fed some warm baby bird cereal mixed with some baby food (the human kind). Within 10 minutes the young grackle, named Bub, had opened his eyes. He was tucked in warm towels and placed in a carrier with a heating pad beneath.

Bub was fed every 30 minutes for our first 12 hours together. We have lengthened the times between feeding as bit and there is no over night feeding now. He has a riboflavin deficiency (one of the B vitamins) and it is evident by the appearance of curled toes and paralysis or weakness of the legs. He cannot stand but is otherwise alert and quite the charmer.

We started him on riboflavin supplementation. It is mixed with his baby cereal. As things go, he ~should~ stand within a few days and his toes ~should~ regain their strength soon after that. I have had two other grackles to hand raise and both of them too had the same deficiency. My very first robin chick and a blue jay chick also had this same problem. I think the weakness of this young bird may have resulted in his falling into the pond. Good thing our dog rescued him!

I brought him inside and as I was drying him off I told him that he needs to get strong and well so he can go outside again and raid the nests of other birds and eat their chickies to feed his own chicks. Such is nature, ehh?

Little Bub is doing better today. He is able to flex the toes on his left foot this morning but as yet unable to stand. He is bright and alert and exploring new food. He exercises his wings several times a day too.

Hmmmm. Grackles are not my favourite bird. Every year they raid the nests of the house wrens, the finches and sparrows and make off with the chicks. But that is nature and that is one of the things that grackles do to make a living. It's not his fault he's a grackle. He is someone who I am able to help and that seems to be my reason for existence on this planet. I'm sure in the big scheme of things, saving one grackle chick does not make any difference but it makes a very big difference to Bub and I.

Oh yes....Photographs. I'm hoping to take photographs daily and be able to show his progress. It's with my trusty 35mm camera. Will need for the roll to get finished and get it developed somewhere first.

I will keep you updated on how this little one is coming along. He has just started exploring seeds and other foods today.

Do I need a baby grackle? The definitive answer is: NO!
Did the baby grackle need me? Looks like!

I'm glad we met! :-)

C with 3Ds AND a grackle


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

as always i enjoy your rescue stories, chicka! thankfully, daisy was there. starting the family business early, eh? :)

personally, i like grackles. i think they are extremely intelligent birds.


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Hey, Chicka3D, catch up with the world. Get a digital Camera! :o)

G'day,
Scott


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Tue, May 23, 06 at 12:05

What a great story! Especially that it started out with a rescue dog hero-ette. :D

Hey, just think if every wren, finch and sparrow baby lived (i.e., wasn't food for Bub's familia)! I'm picturing "The Birds" right now. LOL So, grackles do indeed make the food chain "interesting". :) I've never seen one, but I bet the babies are cute....just 'cuz all chicks are.

C3D, do you know why birds would have a vit. B deficiency?

I can't wait to see pics!

Brenda


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

I'm pleased to report little Bub is stronger today. He's higher up on his legs and will stand up for brief moments but the weakness is still there as are his curled toes. The toes will be the last to strengthen and straighten.

We attempted a photo shoot of him this morning. LOL! That was the WRONG thing to do. He can fly now! :-) He's busy and can't just sit around getting his photographs taken! He sort of looks like a mini crow, but not exactly. His beak is not as heavy and now he still has baby fuzz on top of his head and is sort of grey-ish.

He is in our infamous dining room and we have off-white carpeting and white furniture. Because he is on the riboflavin supplementation, his food and subsequently his poop is bright yellow. This sort of stain would not come out of the carpeting or upholstery if there were a Grackle bombing raid. We quickly abandoned trying to get a non-caged photograph. One of the funniest moments here for a long time! :-)

Grackles are very intelligent folks. We put out Pedigree dry dog food for the starlings but pre-soak it in warm water so it is easier to eat. We learned this from the grackles. One summer we saw the grackles taking dry dog food from the neighbour's yard and they were depositing it in our birdbaths to soak and soften so they could eat it and feed it to their kids. So now we feed the starlings and grackles with softened dog food and this seems to decrease the raids of the nests.

The B vit. deficiency? I dunno why some get it. I'm thinkin' that maybe because it has been raining so much the last few weeks maybe the parents were not able to get out and provide the variety or amount of food their chicks needed? There's also the chance that this little one's intestines, for some reason, don't absorb the vitamins as well as they should?

I'd love a digital camera but that never gets to the top of my priority list. Even if I had the best camera ever in the history of history my pics would look nothing like the stunning photographs of birds that get posted here by people who know what they're doing. :-)

Daisy is a very nice puppy. She likes to check on Bub and make sure he's doing OK. We have always been blessed with gentle dogs!

Chick with 3Ds and a BuB


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

For once I have to say - we don't need a photograph, your gift of words paint an absolutely stunning picture! I do love your rescue stories, even when the outcome is not the best. I'm so glad you are so willing and able to help so many creatures, you are a blessing! Keep us updated!


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RE: BuB. Another C3D story......

Thanks Jean. That was nice of you to say. :-)

Daisy has taken to heart her rescue mission of all things in the pond. This afternoon I gathered up the remains of my water lily, Nymphoides geminata 'Chocolate Water Fringes'that she had pulled out and left on the lawn to dry. And dry it did. She also *rescued* the water lily 'Attraction' and the Egyptian Papyrus but left them in a shady area. I believe that Daisy ate all the frogbit that was floating in the temporary pond. There is no sign of that plant!

She had pulled the plants from the ponds a week ago and dove right back in as I tossed the plants back into the water. LOL!

Good girl! :-)


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

  • Posted by horton 6 b Ontario. (My Page) on
    Tue, May 23, 06 at 18:47

Chickasavethebirds Person, I hope Bub is doing well.
Glad you posted the story. At last we now know the answer to the question, "Who Let The Dogs Out"!
Woof.


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

PICTURES! PICTURES! PICTURES! PICTURES!

G'day,
Scott


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

OUTSTANDING news Chicka-3Doc!

I'm wondering whether once he has fully recuperated and is back on his feet again, if Bub would be interested in joining the elite team of the Royal Canadian Goosi. It may seem like an odd mix, but I believe they have recently implemented a new policy at RCG HQ to address such sensitive issues.... it's called: Don't squawk, don't cackle.


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

And so it begins... :)


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

  • Posted by horton 6 b Ontario. (My Page) on
    Wed, May 24, 06 at 8:03

Actually mia friend Semper the new policy states:-

"Don't Squawk Don't Cackle, We Need Fliers, So Sign Up The Grackle"!

Major Mogali, Adj, RCG etc, etc, etc.


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Wed, May 24, 06 at 10:34

LOL @ Daisy! What a good girl, cleaning the pond for Mom & Dad! That is too funny.

I bet Bub could start his own squad, The Yellow Poop Ops (or TYPO). I could see him bellying up to the bar in the Officers' Club and ordering a double riboflavin, shaken, not stirred. :D

Brenda


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RE: BuB. Another C3D story......

Hi Brenda.

Yes, little Daisy is *quite* the helper. She brought back the veggies I had planted (abandoned) in the garden and placed them on the back step. She dug out the brugmansia, passionflower vines and others and left those on the patio near the back door too. I believe the only reason the fish are still in the water is because they were able to hide from her helping mouth. LOL! (kind of....)

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No real change in Bub's condition from yesterday other than his wings are stronger and he tries to peck / bite now when handled. The toes are still curled so he has a way to go before he can down drinks at the Officers' Club and rub wings with the Royal Canadian Goosi. He likes his riboflavin warmed rather than on-the-rocks. :-)

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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Rumor has it that Bub may be joining the Army instead. Apparently he's fallen for their motto: "Beak all you can beak".

Agent Brandy, I believe you are onto something here. James Bub can be known as Special oP 00P.


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Chickadeedeedee.........you are MY American Idol!

I could just hug you. Thank you so much for sharing that story. I'm anxious to hear how Bub is doing today.

~Dawn (mamabirrd)

PS: Thanks guys......I can always come here when i'm looking for a laugh. : )


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RE: Bub. James Bub.

Hi Dawn.

You are very sweet! :-) Thanks.

HOORAY for BuB! This morning rather than standing with his feet turned in so he's putting pressure on the outside of his feet and the toes are facing each other, he's standing with his feet flat on the towels like a real bird! His legs are still not quite strong enough to allow him to stand for more than a minute but he is standing up higher on his legs and more often!

HOORAY for little BUB! :-)

He is also eating more seeds and other food on his own.

Semper...... James Bub? His friends call him Jim Bub. Wasn't he one of the Walton children along with Jason, Mary Ellen, Erin, John Boy.... ? He doesn't seem old enough to have been in that TV series.

Better go now. The groans from the audience are deafening.

Chick-a-Bub


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

LOL! Jim Bub, eh?! For some reason it just doesn't have the same intimidating tone....

Hot female grackle: "Who may you be?"

With thick British accent: "Bub.... Jim Bub!"

Works for me.

Good night Chick-a-Bub....


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...good night Agent Brandy....


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

....good night Major Mogali...


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

...good night DAWN....


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Good Night Nappy Semper. :-)

Good Night Dawn. :-)

Good Night FTM. :-)

Good Night Brandy. :-)

Good Night Royal Canadian Goosi. :-)

Good Night Mr. Mogali. :-)

Good Night Bubbaloo......

Good Night Forum... :-)


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

good night joe bob, ellie mae, men in tights....


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Early Morning BuB Report

Things look ~even better~ this morning ! Little Bub is standing like a real birdie, although his left foot is still turned in just a little.

He is eating about 75% on his own and is still getting the riboflavin supplementation. Hmmmmm. I'll need to stop giving him the riboflavin eventually and make sure his condition doesn't go back to where we had been.

But ..... so far we are doing very well.

Thanks for your interest and for caring about little BuB.


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Bub sounds like he is going to be ready to fly the coop at a normal time. I was wondering about some of the foods you have mentioned. Since they seem to enjoy dog food which almost always has riboflavin in it, is it possible they are getting too much of it and can no longer digest it? Are you feeding Bub fresh fruit? I found I couldn't go wrong with cherries. Sandy


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Fri, May 26, 06 at 12:55

No wonder why I slept so well last night! Must have been the Good Nights! :D

Yay for Bubba-Ooo-Rah! Dawn said it so well, though. You're my American Idol, too, C3D! Autograph! Need one! *screaming and passing out*

Miss MoneyPennyNickelHalfDollar Brandy Ellen Walton


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

  • Posted by horton 6 b Ontario. (My Page) on
    Fri, May 26, 06 at 15:18

Goodnight ya say! Goodnight be damned!
Well let me tell yuz the RCG never sleeps.

"We Stand On Guard For You"

Patrolling the True North is our game,
The Royal Canadian Goosi is our name!

Awake and well,
Major Mogali, Adj, etc,etc, etc.006


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RE: Bub's in Trouble .....

Not so good news about our young Grackle friend.

Bub is able to stand up and both legs seems of normal strength today. He has an excellent grip strength on his right foot too!

He is bright, alert and not at all pleased that he needs to be caught and fed his gruel with riboflavin. He eats 90%-95% on his own like a real bird.

His left foot remains turned inwards so the toes face his right foot and when he walks he is walking on the outer side of his left foot. The toes seem very weak and certainly cannot grasp anything.

We took radiographs/x-rays of his legs this morning and there is no sign that he had suffered a fracture or dislocation that had been missed up to this point. In every patient I had encountered with the riboflavin deficiency prior to Bub's arrival, the recovery is symmetrical rather than one side lagging behind in strength vs the other side. I consulted with an avian specialist about Bub and he too questions the recovery potential for this little one so he would be able to be released.

~~SIGH~~ Maybe he just needs a little more time for his foot to strengthen? ... ((she writes with fingers crossed!)) We have been doing miniature physical therapy on his legs all along to maintain muscle tone and joint mobility. The avian specialist casually asked if we have room for yet another bird in our aviary if Bub should be one of the unreleasable birds.

He would have great difficulties being one legged out in the real world. He would likely get wounds on his right foot from perching only on that one and get pressure sores. Another very real complication would be injury to the right leg / muscle pull / sprain at thigh or hip if he miscalculates the landing and starts to fall. Birds that have this injury keep the injured leg out at full extension for a week or more and become ground dwellers and consequently potential part of the food chain.

Of course we would have room for Bub. We also can provide him with all the time he needs to recover completely so he could be released. I *KNOW* the other birds would not be pleased to see someone like Bub move into their home but they would adjust I am sure.

Worried about little Bub more than ever !

3D Chick :-(


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

"We took radiographs/x-rays of his legs this morning......"

Anyone else who wouldn't mind coming back as a bird in OH in their next life?!?

No worries here. I know Bub is in good hands.


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Hey, Chicky. I hope your fears are unfounded and that Bub's leg begins to function properly soon. Bub is lucky to have found you.

I'm sorry to hijack your thread but I do have a question. How the heck do you give Metamucil to a cat? I am worried that if not given with sufficient water it will make the problem worse. Should I start another thread? Sandy


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BuB ... Still Got Problems

Hiya Sandy!

Hijack away! :-)Are you giving Metamucil to get things or keep things moving for your kitty? Whole milk has a natural laxative effect and may be all you need, if your kitty will drink it.

The Metamucil ....there are tablet forms and you could give 1/4 tab. by mouth once daily and feed canned food to increase the natural water intake. In general kitties are not big water drinkers.

There is a product called 'CatLax' or 'Laxatone' from your vet or from the pet store that will get things moving too.
So will some olive oil or vegetable oil.... about a teaspoon once a day. No castor oil please. VERY harsh on kitty giblets!

If none of that works your kitty might need an exam / radiographs to see if there is a condition known as megacolon, where the lower intestine is so stretched out that it no longer has the normal contractions and movement forward to keep the poop moving. In the severe cases the kitty might need sedation and several enemas (NEVER FLEET ENEMAS AS THEY ARE FATAL FOR CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) or in the worst case scenario, a surgery.

Your vet might prescribe something like 'Enulose' which is for people with intestinal movement issues (and other needs).

Hope all this extra stuff I wrote is not needed and a nice bowl of warm milk get things right again. :-)

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Then there is Bub. :-( He can't use his left foot. No movement of the toes at all although he does not seem upset by this condition at all. There is no apparent pain with his foot being turned in either. We gently turn his foot back into the normal position and flex and stretch his ankle and toes. Then his foot goes back to the side.

I hope he needs more time for things to fix themselves but hope for that is fading fast.

Chick-a-Bub


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Sandy, you could always kick the poop out of your cat or send it down here and I'll do it. :o)

G'day,
Scott


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Scott, even at the age of 23 I suspect she would be more than a match for you. Once my hand was between her and the object of her intentions and the ER nurse stopped counting at 72 lacerations. Pookie spent two weeks in quarantine which meant nothing since she was supposed to be a house kitty in the first place. Her original objective was a dog the size of a small pony that had wandered into our yard by mistake. She was once caught by a red shouldered hawk. The hawk retreated in disgrace. She was mad she couldn't keep it. She misses stalking the deer in Wisconsin. By the way, she weighs about 7 pounds.
Chickie, thanks for the info. I was afraid to do the wrong thing and she won't eat any of the things that are supposed to do the job so I am very grateful. Guess my imagination wasn't working very well. She has been drinking lots of water recently (ice water if you please)and is eating quite a bit although not gaining weight. She recently discovered a heating pad and is spending most of her time curled up on it when she is not demanding tummy rubs or complaining bitterly about anything that does not meet her wants. She still tries to do the thunder kitty romp through the house after using the litter box although her back legs don't always cooperate since last summer's illness.
I hope Bub's foot responds. It is terrible to see the damage they can do to themselves when a leg or wing doesn't work and they keep trying to use it. Sandy


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

sandy and chicka, if i may step in with some suggestions....?

oh, and all wishes for the sweet grackling (a new word!)

sandy, have you tried plain canned pumpkin, if she will eat it, mixed also with brown rice bran supplement and acidopholus from the refrigerated section?
also, slippery elm syrup. if interested, i can offer you the preparation of it. sorry if i step on any toes.

hope the gal feels spry in no time!


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RE:Pookie and a bit of Bub

All *FANTASTIC!* suggestions FTM !!! Please, please, please.... no apologies needed ... no toes stepped on in the slightest! I am the first, second, third and so on to admit that I don't know everything about anything and any suggestions (of a safe nature) are more than welcome any time I am giving my 2 consultations on any subject. :-)

My cats have never even wanted to look at canned pumpkin but you should see the looks they gave me when I offered it to them! (No kitty dictionary translation needed for what they were thinkin' about that swill I gave them. LOL!)

At least one of the suggestions that FTM or I gave should get things moving for dear little Pookie. If she is on the dehydrated side, which many elderly kitty tend to be, she can get some fluids like 0.9% NaCl under the skin and that too will set things right.

Forgive me if this is something you already know ... If you pull up the skin on the back of your hand and let go, the skin quickly returns to the normal position. When you pull up gently on the skin over Pookie's shoulders, it should snap back as quickly. If it returns back to normal slowly or stays up and tented, she is dehydrated and would do better with some fluids. The elderly ( insert species name here -----> (______________) do have less elastic skin and it does tend to be a little slower to go back to a normal position ... within reason.

I hope our combined information helps little Pookie. :-)

I type this as Bub's cereal gets warmed up. He still cannot use his foot and I believe this is not reversible. :-( He's going back to the avian specialist this week and see if there is ANY possibility to get him where he should be.

Me


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And Here She is....

... our little Bub saver, Daisy:

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Looks innocent doesn't she? This morning she **rescued** EVERYTHING non moving in the pond: cattails, water lilies (3 varieties WITH baskets!), stones, barley mat, Poly Filter pad, bald cyprus seedling, Egyptian Papyrus, Water Bamboo, taro, variegated planty things, drift wood that was there so things that fall in can get out....

GOOD GIRL!!! :-)

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Daisy is lovely, brave and kind. She is just practicing her rescue methods.LOL. We once had a dalmation that tried to rescue me from the bathtub. Which water stories remind me to tell you that one of the third generation gouramies has her fins on backwards. She seems to get along fine but the fins are bent backwards like a ribbon and she has to swim twice as fast as the others. Sandy


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  • Posted by horton 6 b Ontario. (My Page) on
    Mon, May 29, 06 at 20:43

Lies lies lies Chickafibber, that beautifull innocent looking creature could never do anything like that!!!!!!!!
"Horton"


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Dog to the Rescue

Hi Sandy.

When I was a little kid, our first dog was a German Shepherd. As we lived (and still do) on Lake Erie we were often on the beach. The dog rescued everyone from the lake!

He would swim out and bring back family and strangers alike! He'd gently grab their arm and swim back to shore while still holding onto the person. He knew there was potential danger, I suppose, and NO ONE would be harmed while in the lake during his watch!

We have movies of his endless rescues and no one was arguing with a hundred pound G. Shepherd if he wants you to go with him. :-)


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Caught in my web of Lies!

Hi Horton.

You caught me ! Not only that but I have been exposed!

EEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!

You know me too well. I was trying to protect my beloved Mike by blaming the new puppy for chewing the water lilies and tossing pond baskets around the yard.

The secret is out. :-(

Mike likes to munch duckweed and frog bit. (hold the mayo.)

Can't get anything past you Canadians, ehh? ( Darn those Goosi fly over spies!) Betcha you even have video evidence !

Chick-a-liar


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Oh my what a CUTIE!! I can see why you couldn't resist that face!

I'm sorry to hear about Bub, I hope you get some good news at the specialist. You are such a dear for what you do. Just curious, how many animals have you adopted?


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such an adorable fluff ball!

i have another tip...from experience only and that was suggested to me. my old man didn't want this pumpkin any more. he also didn't want his fish oil or vit. e. BUT, mixed in gerber (and only that brand, it didnt' have oh, some ingredient that i cant think of thta starts with an m. which is toxic to felines) anyway, mix the pumpkin, geriatric tabs, vit e, and fish oil in a tsp of gerber chicken and gravy or turkey and gravy.....ya better move faster than that! he might as well have been pounding this fork and knife on the table. :)

how's our little grackling today?


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  • Posted by horton 6 b Ontario. (My Page) on
    Tue, May 30, 06 at 7:51

'You caught me ! Not only that but I have been exposed!

EEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKK!!!!!!!! "

You betcha! We have the pictures and I must say they are selling quite well.
All proceeds go to the RCG Retired Flyers Benevolent Fund to cover the cost of grog and toilet paper. [Got to watch these goosi when they are no longer on active duty!]

Glad to hear Mike is keeping up the "green diet", even if he does get a little out of hand he'll be healthy.

Give the pup a pat from me and a "Good Boy".
The eye in the Sky.


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  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Tue, May 30, 06 at 11:12

Wow, I go out of town for 2 days, and I miss important stuff here!

C3D, I sure hope that Bub is able to start using that little foot again. If not, he has a great Mom (and Dad!) to take care of him, and that's enough to make any "grackling" turn his foot in. :)

As for Daisy, well....she looks innocent to me, too! LOL The look on her face in that pic says, "But, you still love me, right?!" :D

Sandy, I hope Pookie (or Poopie, as I call my Pook :D) is able to let it all out soon. All kitties named Pookie must have attitudes, since mine does, as well. Especially when there's someone invading her territory. :)

Brenda


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Got: BUB?

Jean: How many animals have I adopted? Fuzzy or feathered or other? That I know of, I am on the rehab contact list of at least three animal emergency hospitals and many more other animal hospitals. Ya just never know what I'll come home with after a late night phone call. :-)

Horton, Horton, Horton.... Those photographs do have a high entertainment value. Glad they have a monetary value to support the brave, and poopy, retired Goosi.

Brenda: Our innocent little Daisy was standing in the temporary pond this morning. All four feet were in the water, the remnants of a once beautiful variegated dwarf cattail in her puppy mouth as she is trying to rescue to fish from the water too! Talk about your multi-tasking! :-) She and Bosco got doggy ice cream today. She likes vanilla wafers too.

FTM asks the age old question: "How's our little grackling today?"

:-( His toes move a little but what would be his ankle does not and the foot is turned inwards. When he fell from the nest, or was kicked out, he probably landed on this foot the wrong way and it was twisted at that time.

There was damage to his ligaments/tendons and the ankle joint was bruised or otherwise traumatized. Daisy probably did not cause the injury because that skinny little leg would have been fractured or bitten or at least bleeding ... and it was not.

The injury to BuB's ankle has resulted in inflammation and scar tissue around his ankle. He will probably get arthritis and then the ankle joint will fuse and become immobilized naturally and then non painful as well as non functional.

If we can keep his ankle moving with birdy physical therapy and try to loosen up the scar tissue he has formed he has a slight chance that his foot will return to the proper position. He is still likely to get a stiff ankle ... but ... if he can use his toes to grab onto a branch and perch he would be able to be released and have a fair chance of doing well.

He has recovered from the riboflavin deficiency and the specialist is not sure how much of a role that played in Bub's foot injury.

Bub was formally introduced to the folks in the aviary today. The herd of birds was very nice to Bub! :-) He like's vanilla wafers too.

C3D the birdy physical therapist


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

FTM, thanks for the recipe. I found some Asidopholis capsules today but just get strange looks when I say I want the refrigerated kind. Will try health food store tomorrow. Pookie just pretends the pumpkin doesn't exist.
Chickie, I'm glad to hear there is some hope for Bub's foot. I remember seeing chicks that caught a claw in the nesting material and were bullied to death by their siblings because they couldn't get free. Some had an injury just like Bub's simply because they kept getting pushed over on top of the leg that was bent wrong. Bub has at least a chance in your care that he wouldn't have had with mother nature. Sandy


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

thanks for the update, chicka. i am bearing with little bub. my ankle started to "freeze" while healing from a severe ankle sprain complete with nerve injury...still healing 3? years later. bub is in great hands!

your welcome, sandy. i must apologize for missing that all important info that only the health food store, and some pharmacies, will have refrig acidopholus. the "pearls" supposedly is better and does not have to be refrigerated, but the powdered caps are much easier to sneak into the food. just in case you pick up the slippery elm, directions for making a syrup may be on the bottle. it is good for hairballs as well as intestinal irritation.
from a list i belong to: "* Slippery elm syrup: Sprinkle 1 teasp slippery elm bark powder onto half a cup of water. Heat with stirring till nearly boiling, and keep
the thickened syrup in the fridge. Dose 1 or 2 ml about 20 minutes before any main meal. It coats and soothes the intestines and has a few good nutrients. It works well in cats. (Not all herbs do.)"

not all cats like the pumpkin. frost and romeo ignore it. frost used to eat it years ago when my old man didn't. funny how they switch roles. if i remember correctly though, he wouldn't eat it until i put the baby food in there. i also finally found a glucosamine supplement he would take, mixed into this cocktail. it was dr.s foster and smith brand (capsules). he would take vanilla flavor. was he spoiled??? :)


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Ahwwwwwwww, I just got around to reading this thread. I love your stories, chickasweetheartvetperson! I'm glad Bub is doing well. Daisy is awesome for bringing him to you! I can't imagine how one might perform tiny bird toe/ankle/foot physical therapy! I wouldn't know where one ended and the other began!
How wonderful you are! Three cheers for our Chickahero!!! :)


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

I've seen a house finch with a deformed leg because he was at the bottom of the pile in the nest. The foot was so twisted it would get caught in his wings!

Bub is moving the toes on his left foot really well today but that ankle is still turned in. :-( We can get it straight and his foot works. We were thinking to maybe put a simple splint on him for a day or two and see if the ankle would stay in the proper alignment. Things grow, change and heal so fast on baby birds !

Daisy is the only hero in this story. Found out she can climb up a tree fairly high in an attempt to rescue a squirrel that was chattering at her. LOL!

Good Girl!


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Thu, Jun 1, 06 at 10:46

LOL!!! Daisy is a Dingo! :D Oh, what I wouldn't give to see her up in a tree. That is hilarious!

Great news about Bub's toe movement! The ankle splint sounds like a great idea, since it doesn't seem to be improving without it. I know this all must be stressful to you, C3D. Bub sounds like a patient and understanding little man. :)

Brenda


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Any further news on Bub's ankle? Sandy


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RE: Bub. An Update.

Hi Sandy.

Thanks for your concern. Sadly the ankle remains turned inwards. We tried the splint for a few days at a time but there seems to be no difference. We still put on his splint for 2 days, take it off and do some physical therapy so the ankle does not freeze up ... but once that splint is off the ankle turns in.

We have another appointment with the avian specialist in a few days. I am hoping there can be a surgery to tighten his little birdy ligaments?

Other than that he is a happy camper. He eats seeds and moistened Pedigree dry dog food as well as his baby bird cereal out of a bowl like a big bird. I see his siblings outside on the patio and they seem the same size, or maybe just a bit larger than him, and all seem to be doing well.

C3D


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 7, 06 at 17:42

He's such a little man! I bet he doesn't even realize he HAS an impediment. I could see myself running up to windows facing the patio and trying to block his view to the other birds. "There's nothing there! Just keep eating." LOL

Wishing for the best, as always, C3D!

Brenda


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RE: Bub. Another story......

Hiya Brenda.

Thanks!

LOL! You are 113% correct! He does not know there is something wrong with his ankle. He doesn't remember it being any other way, probably. His ankle *DOES* need to be bandaged because it gets a wound very easily on the side that he walks on.

He is on soft towels as his bedding but that is still too rough for his baby skin. Needs to develop a callus there I suspect. Oh Bub is a hearty eater ! Cleans his dishes several times a day! LOL! He's in the aviary so he does have a lot of bird company. :-) Never a lonely moment at Camp Nappy Resorts....

CDDD


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

chicka, i had a thought the other day and forgot to ask. really just rambling curiosity, but here goes:

as i understand it, birds have decreased circulation in the legs as a survival against frostbite, etc. first, i am not sure if that is right or wrong. maybe it is just nerve endings.

ok. decreased circulation usually slows down the healing process, correct?

so, if circulation is increased, or can it be for a bird, will the healing process be put in forward motion since it seems to be at a standstill?


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Do they make little birdie hyperberic (sp???) chambers?
Increased oxygen does speed the healing of wounds, but would it straighten out a twisted foot?
Good question, Fairy.

Oh Chickabirdiemommy, where are you?


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Good luck Bub, you're in the best hands!


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RE: Bub... The Saga Continues

Hi again FTM.

Your logic is very sound Increased circulation would speed up the healing process because .....

as Poo Cubed correctly noted, increased oxygen aids in the wound healing process. :-)

If Bub's problem is a ligament issue, they have no direct blood supply and get their nutrients and oxygen from the surrounding tissues. Given that Bub's legs are a little thicker than two tooth picks, there just isn't a lot to work with either way.

There are hyperbaric chambers for animals and I have made my own primitive O2 chamber when I was caring for a starling (named Grace) who had a brain injury after flying into a window. ((But that's a long story in itself.))

I have also used our O2 chamber for our asthmatic bird when he was in need. If Bub could have a surgery to help his ankle, without a doubt increased oxygen would help him heal faster. We need to see what the avian specialist has to say next week.

~~Wonder what he will say when I tell him I also have a Bubba (as of today) with a fractured pelvis and right leg fracture.
Bubba's also a young grackle. More about him later when I have more time to lull everyone to sleep.~~

Thanks Sheepco. :-)

C with 3 Ds and 2 grackles


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

"...and I have made my own primitive O2 chamber..."
C3D, how impressive! May I ask how you did that?
And now another one to nurse and love. You are such a sweet individual. Good luck with both. They couldn't have found a better person to nurse their boo boos. :)


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RE: Bub / Bubba The Saga Continues.......

Hi Poo-Poo-Poo . :-)

Thanks.

The primitive O2 chamber is less than impressive, I assure you! We got an O2 tank with all the gauges when our older dog, Connie, had severe heart problems and needed oxygen at times. She passed away at the age of 17 years but we kept the O2 set-up.

We have had occasion to use oxygen for this or that. But the oxygen tank is basically like an aquarium, with solid walls and the oxygen line is dropped in and the top is sealed with something like saran wrap or press and seal wrap.

There is a soft towel on the floor of the tank and who ever needs the oxygen is placed in there with food and water as the oxygen is delivered. There is also a heating pad underneath the contraption as the oxygen that is delivered tends to make the whole thing very cold.

It isn't really a proper hyperbaric situation, but rather more of a saturated oxygen arrangement that so far has worked well in most cases.

(Bubba can move his tail today! :-) HOORAY for Bubba!!!)

Talk to you later.

C3D


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Yes, Hooray for Bubba!!! Great news. Do you know which day next week Bub will see the specialist? Please keep us posted.
I personally think the animal stories posted here are the best and the pics are all just wonderful. :)


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

poo beat me to it! so innovative chicka! too cool...

just a comment on grackles. hmph. they have disappointed me, sort of. i always thought of them as very intelligent birds, HOWEVER, the starlings have figured out how to raid my squirrel feeder box. did they learn it from watching the squirrels, or on their own? it has been up a few years. dh pointed them out to me the other day.

well, i guess taking grackle personalities into the equation would be reasonable. they ARE flighty. they just don't have the nerve to withstand that lid coming down and fly off before they get some food. unlike the starlings. or are starlings just thick headed? :)

i don't really notice the starling raids. the grackle raids are very noticeable b/c they are at least persistent. clap, fly, clap, fly, clap, fly, clap, fly, clap....give me a break! i almost feel like i should prop up the lid for some quiet. nature is relaxing, nature is relaxing, nature is relaxing,


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Sun, Jun 11, 06 at 12:58

LOL!!! FTM, that reminds me of a situation the other day, when the menfolk wanted to watch a movie. One of them actually closed the living room window because the birds were too loud! Hmph, if it were my choice, I'd put them outside and bring the birds in with me. :D

Good luck, Bubba!!! Shake that booty, shake it!

Brenda


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

LOL at the booty!

Do Bub and Bubba know they have a cheerleading team here????

Good Luck with both of them - I don't know how you do it with all you've got going on.


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The Updates

Hi everyone and thanks for your concern for the Grackles.

I am very sorry to report Bubba died this morning. He had a huge bruise on his chest so maybe his heart was bruised too and just couldn't recover. :-( But he was warm and fed and we tried to control his pain and make him as comfy as possible while he spent his last days here. He was buried in a secured Daisy-proof area.

Then there is our Bub...

As I feared there is little to do to help Bub's ankle. He has a lot of calcium deposits in his joint and most likely that is the result of having had severe riboflavin deficiency. He could have a surgery to remove the calcium but the damage to his joint is already done so that would just give him more pain in his ankle. :-(

A splint will get the joint to freeze faster. It would be better to allow him to have his towels in his cage and let him build up a callus on the side of his ankle.

The specialist said that aside from the ankle issue, Bub looked very healthy and alert and happy. Bub was active, tossing seeds about and chattering during our 45 minute consultation.

He is not considered releasable because he has one leg that functions normally. He would soon become hawk food or get injured on his functional foot. He told me to make some modifications to a flight cage which would include soft wrap on the perches and shelves or ledges also with padding to protect his feet. So looks like I'll be getting a larger cage for him and that will be his home unless I can place him with someone else who needs a Grackle.

I asked the specialist if the Grackles are having a bad year this year because I have now had 4 of them in the last 3 weeks.

(Just before leaving for the specialist, I let the dogs out to go potty and Daisy, the one who brought Bub to me, brought home yet ANOTHER young Grackle! Can you believe that? He was in the pond too. He was dried off and placed in a cage with food and water until I came back home. He was fine and released when I got home looking none the worse for his close encounter and flew off into the crabapple tree to tell the other grackles of his (mis)adventures.)

Well, anyway... The specialist said the rehab. centers check in with him on an almost daily basis and he had no reports of Grackles being in the facilities. I laughed and said:

"Of course not. They've all been at my house!"

He dubbed our home Grackle Central.

So... That's the Bub story for now. Thanks for caring about him!

C3D


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Ahh, sorry to hear about Bubba. But he got the best in care thanks to you. Nature is one tough lady, heh?

ANd I'm sorry to hear that there is nothing that can be done for Bub although it's good to hear that he is adjusting to being caged. Now thats he's been nursed back to health, can he be adopted by anyone or does it have to be a certified rehabber? Can you keep a bird in captivity outside in a large cage or do they need to be kept inside?

So are Daisy's rescue abilities due to her breed or are you rubbing off on her :^)


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

very sorry, chicka! :=


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Thanks.

Being a native bird ya need a permit to keep 'em.
He can be in an outdoor flight cage but ... he may attract hawks who may themselves get injured trying to get to him or they might frighten him into injuring himself trying to get away from the hawk.

Inside is safer for all.


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Tue, Jun 13, 06 at 10:31

Awww!! Bubba, I didn't mean for you to shake your booty THAT much, sweetie! :(

I just can't tell you how much I admire you, ChickaBigHeart X infinity. Bub and ALL the little creatures you've cared for are so lucky to know you. Thank you for being an inspiration!

Brenda


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

C3D, sorry to hear Bubba didn't make it.
No matter how many animals we nurse, it's always sad when one dies. As cruel as nature seems at times, it also knows when suffering has to be ended.
I know, if you have to give up little Bub to another home, you will find someone as kind and caring as you.
~He's in good hands!~
Thanks for keeping us updated.


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RE: More on Bub

Hi all.

We got a puppy crate for Bub and fixed it up with two platforms of differing sizes covered with soft towels so SHE will be more comfortable. (Yes. It seems Bub is a female.) Her accessories include a large bowl with water so she can cool off and have bath time. There is one of those cat toys that is a ball with a bell inside. All this is on the lowest level, again covered with a whole bunch of towels.

On the middle level she has a large platform of styrofoam covered with towels and there are here her three food dishes. One has mixed seeds, one has assorted bits of fruit and moistened dry Pedigree and BilJac moist food, the other has her baby bird cereal mixture plus blueberries, strawberries and little chunks of apples.

On this level there is a hanging birdy toy with a bell. The top level, a higher section has a smaller chunk of styrofoam covered with a towel, and has nothing but another hanging toy with a smaller bell.

Her new home is next to an enclosure that has two ring-necked doves. They seem a bit surprised that they have a new neighbour but not upset about it. Little Bub has plenty of room to exersize her wings and can take short flights too. She can also see the other birds outside eating their jelly and seeds.

So far she seems ~VERY~ happy with her bigger home. Here and there, of course, she will be let out to have a proper fly around the breezeway and not get stir-crazy.

~~I do hope none of you think Bub is getting spoiled at all!~~

Yes Scott. Pictures are a coming. Patience is a virtue! :-)

Me again

BTW... Why a puppy crate? SO much cheaper than a proper bird cage and it is nice and large! This makes our third crate for birds. NEVER for a K-9 here!


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Mon, Jun 19, 06 at 12:01

Bubette sounds like she's getting the royal treatment, but she sure deserves it, after all she's been through! Thanks to your descriptions, C3D, we can not only picture it all so well, we can use it for future reference. You never know when the stork is going to visit bearing children of different species. :)

Brenda


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

capital, chicka, capital!


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Sounds like Bubette or (if she's latino), Bubina, has a nice little set up. That WAS a great description. So does this mean you are going to still be her mommy for a while? :)


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Got: Bird ?

Awwwwwww Poo x 3... Bubina is a great name! :-) Sounds so dainty although she does not act very dainty! LOL!

Bubina is a card carrying member of Camp Nappy and is most welcome to stay. We went shopping the other day to get more towels of varying sizes for Bubina to lounge upon. She needs to have her upholstery changed daily.

If you need ideas how to set up house keeping for a squirrel, chipmunk, mouse, groundhog, opossum or some sort of bird, there's a chance I might be able to suggest luxury accomodations for your guest. :-)
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Ian? If you are out there and care to, do register and let me know. I'll send you my e mail address through this site.

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--------------> still just Me


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

I wish I had access to you when I was raising little "Rocky" a juvenile squirrell with an injured spine and paralysis. It was a battle keeping him from rubbing all the skin off his belly. Padded trees are hard to come by!! lol But he got a great home and is still doing fine after 2 yrs!
Keep up the good work. You are certainly an asset to this forum! :)


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Help for Rocky

Ooooooooo I am thinkin' I can help Rocky! Contact the ~wonderful~ people at K-9 Carts and explain to them what Rocky's condition. I betcha they will be able to help make his life more comfortable!

They have made a bunny cart and a cat cart for patients of mine. :-)

They will do all they can to make Rocky happier and more mobile!

C and 3Ds and a Bubina too

Here is a link that might be useful: K-9 Cart


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I am sorry Bub passed away, but still...it is always nice to hear that someone is helping animals. having a baby crow with curled toes myself, I would really appreciatte an advice on how and in which doses I should give her riboflavin. she can't stand on her toes, but otherwise is very lively and eating good. thanks in advance.

best regards,

lovely&thelittlecrow


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Hiya Lovely.

Our dearest Bub did NOT die. She is still very much alive and Grackle-ish! :-) We have had other Grackle youngsters die soon after arrival but Bub is going strong since her arrival in 2006. :-)

Riboflavin ....
I do not know of any *real* dose for the ~curled toe paralysis~ but usually one can get or order the 100 mg. tablets. Generally I mix in 1/8 of a 100 mg. tablet with the baby cereal I feed and use that with each feeding. What they do not need gets pooped out. ( Actually peed out but no matter....) Depending on how severe the problem is ... the paralysis or weakness will reverse within a few days to a week.

How much of a baby is your crow? Depending on the age they need to be fed between every 15 minutes to every hour from about 5:00 AM to about 10:00 PM. I use Nutri-Start baby bird cereal mixed 50 /50 with a jarred baby food like Gerber's strained beef or strained turkey.

Cut the riboflavin tablet into 1/4s then 1/2 those pieces again. Place the 1/8 piece in a piece of folded wax paper and crush it by rolling a can of dog food or other canned product over it. Mix this powder in with your baby cereal mixture.

It will become a bright yellow. Please be warned that the baby's poop will become bright yellow too and it DOES STAIN anything it comes in contact with. Have you ever fed a baby bird? That is to say place food in the crop? If not it may be best to contact an avian veterinarian to get some advice on how to do this or get in touch with a rehabber to take over.

Crows are a native species and for the long term one should not keep them without a federal permit. They may become imprinted on you and never be able to be released. Having said that ... How very kind of you to care enough to try to save the little crow! :-)

If you are unable to contact an outside source of help ... I can talk you through how to tube feed a baby bird if you do not know how to do this.

I'll check in at about 7:00PM EST. OK?

Thanks for taking the time to care!

C3D


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RE: Bub. Another C3D story......

Hmmmmmm. You are in Serbia? Do you know how to feed a baby bird?


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