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Posted by catherinet z5 (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 27, 08 at 12:22

Hi all,
I am wired very weirdly. My whole life this body/brain of mine has been a challenge.
Recently, my heart began racing when I would do much, and I'd feel sweaty, shakey and just horrible. I went to the ER on Friday and they did labs, EKG and put me in a telemetry unit over night. Thank heavens all was normal (cardiac enzymes)...which ruled out an acute MI, but now I'm going to have a stress test on Tuesday.
I sure would like to trade this body/brain in for a different one. It may boil down to a panic/anxiety disorder, and I may finally have to bite the bullet and go on antidepressants.
I get every side-effect in the book with almost every med, so I sort of feel between a rock and a hard place.
But I definitely hope its not my heart.
Please send good thoughts my way. I would really appreciate it!
Thanks everybody.


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Hey, Catherine. I am so sorry for your health problems. It can be very scary when your heart and breathing seem to be out of your control. I have had similar experiences. I can't say they are the same as yours. but it sounds familiar. I hate it when it is automatically decided that anti-depressants are necessary, especially when they don't work.
This may sound very strange and I hope you will not think I am just a bit loony. I found that my problem was the result of an allergy. Allergies were always rare for me so I was a bit startled when I took an anti-histamine and my heart stopped racing and I could breathe deeply again. Even when I was wheezing and had a racing heart and cold sweats the doctor said my lungs sounded clear. He prescribed an asthma inhaler but it messed up my mouth. Now I use Loratidine(Claritin)and Bronkaid (Ephedrine and Guaifenesin) and the symptoms go away. Well filtered air works, too. Please have your doctor check for allergies before you do the anti-depressant thing. Sandy


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Best of good thoughts beaming your way Cath! Good Luck! S


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Being upbeat, confident, optimistic, determined to overcome are all "meds" with positive side effects. May you have healthy doses of all. Good wishes for health and best of luck.
Mike


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Best wishes for a boringly normal stress test! :-)

C3D


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Hi Catherine:

Will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Just think, on Wednesday this will all be behind you. Sandy may just have hit the nail on the head. I had the same symptoms and it was another allergy I had developed.

Jenny


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  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Mon, Jul 28, 08 at 9:08

I'll be thinking about you and keeping everything crossed, Catherine! I know you've had quite a time of it, and I sure hope they can help you over this next health hurdle!

Hang in there, sweetie! *HUG*

Brenda


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Thanks everyone,
I just want to feel good again. I hope that's not too much to hope for.


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Good luck to you Catherine - I think the worse is not knowing, after that it's easier to come to grips with whatever it is.

If it helps any, my husband is being successfully treated for anxiety and depression and it has made a world of difference for him. It takes time and patience to find the right combo/dosage of medication but it really is worth it - his only regret was that he waited 50 years to deal with it. For all those years he lived with the sweaty palms and the constant anxiety and bouts of depression, he was introverted and shy but now he is the one who wants to socialize and I'm the hermit! I hope that you too find relief.


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Thanks jeanner,
I love hearing stories like that. It makes me less afraid. Thanks for sharing that with me. (I'm really happy for your hubby too!)


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Catherine,

I am much like Jeanner's husband. I fought the anti-depressants for years. I went the naturapathic route, organic food, positive thinking, spiritual, etc. I kept getting worse and worse.

The Dr finally told me I had to take them. What a difference it has made in my life. They may not be right for some people, but they were right for me. Hopefully I can some day stop taking them. My dosage has reduced. However, for right now I am taking them and very thankful they are available.

You are in my prayers that the Drs can determine what is causing the problems for you and guide you on a solution that works right for you.

Anne.


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Thanks so much Anne. I'm glad they are working for you.
I have such a fear of sensations that I can't control.
I guess you could say I have a fear phobia!
Through my life, I have had such a weird body and it doesn't respond to things the way other people respond to things.
Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.
It got so that everything scared me all the time. When people tell me they don't freak out to go to the doctor's or dentist's, I'm just amazed (and so envious!).
I just want to enjoy life.
I was going to ask Jeanner and you Anne, which meds you're on, but I guess everybody is just slightly different in what works for them, so I guess I just have to go with what the doc inititally suggests.
I use a cpap machine and was hoping that would be the "cure" to alot of things. It has helped, but hasn't been a cure.
Thanks so much for your kind words Anne.


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I think it helps to compare depression (anxiety, etc) to diabetes. Some can control diabetes with diet and exercise and others have to take insulin. The brain is just another organ and relys on the proper chemistry to function. Behavior modification can help but sometimes you need medications, just like a diabetic. Todays medications are so much better than they were 20 years ago but like any medication, some people will react differently than others. And if you decide you want to try medication, I strongly recommend you go to a psychiatrist and not a GP, the medications are quite complex and a psychiatrist is trained to know the differences.

It's tough having depression and/or an anxiety disorder (or any of the mental illnesses). Society still treats it as a "personality" or "behaviour" problem despite the fact that it has been scientifically proven that they are caused by chemical imbalances. It's not a matter of learning to "get over it" and "toughen it". And it can be a vicious cycle, stress increases anxiety, and increased anxiety triggers depression and depression increases anxiety - it can be a vicious circle.

Anne, I am glad to hear that you are getting some relief. My husband is just getting to the point where he sometimes realizes that he has forgotten his medication, where as a few years ago he was watching the clock. For him, counseling has also helped - living with his anxiety and depression all his life has affected him and the counseling has helped him to overcome many of his fears. And he is learning ways to keep his stress level down. And he walks around the house singing now (which is a good thing even though he can't carry a tune!)

I hope this is helping and not making any one uncomfortable. After seeing what a difference it has made for my husband (and other family members) I am a believer that medications and/or counseling can really help.


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Hi jeanner,
I don't know why its hard to not blame oneself for having anxiety and panic. Like you said, its like any other organ that gets out of balance.
I used to have a "psychopharmacologist" (a psychiatrist who only deals with medications), who was helping me with my ADD, but he quit accepting our insurance. Maybe I should look for another one, instead of using my Internal Medicine doc to pick a drug for me??
Part of me thinks that he (my internist) probably has had alot of experience prescribing certain meds to people, and hearing about their side-effects and/or successes on them......but I think you're right about the psychiatrists knowing more.
This is really bizarre, but my husband was in the same area of our garden about 7 years ago, when he had a major panic attack. He went to the hospital by ambulance, thinking he was having a heart attack. I was in the same part of the garden when my "incident" happened 6 weeks ago! The exact same thing happened to me. Maybe we should plow that garden under and forget about it??? lol! Maybe its like the Bermuda Triangle??? ;)
I've always been depressed and had various phobias, but menopause really pushed me over the edge.
I have this weird fear that the meds will make me go crazy. (I should say "make me go crazier"!).
I would be really upset, though, if I spend my entire life being anxious and depressed, when there was something I could do about it, and was too afraid to try it.
Thanks again for all your help!


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YAY!! My stress echo was normal!! I am soooooo relieved!
I still need to figure out why my heart goes crazy and I feel like poop when I try to do anything, but its still a great relief, knowing its not my heart. I go to the Internist tomorrow and talk about other things, including the antidepressants. I'm also thinking about seeing an endocrinologist.
DH seems to think that I'm totally out of shape. I can understand having a bad time in the garden that day, but it shouldn't have continued for 6 weeks now. At least the beta blocker is keeping my heart rate down.
It was sad seeing all the older people having testing done today. Just doesn't seem fair that after a life-time of working hard and living a good life, it comes to this for so many.
I need to learn to grow old gracefully. Anyone have any ideas how the heck to do that??? I'm afraid I'm just kicking and screaming!


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  • Posted by horton 6 b Ontario. (My Page) on
    Tue, Jul 29, 08 at 18:49

Cath, I just read this thread and want to send you my best thoughts.
Keep slugging away kid!
"Horton"


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I am so glad the stress test went well. I hope the solution to this mystery is soon discovered. I agree with Jean about using the medication that is correct for your situation. Saying that, I will tell a little secret. I was told by my family that I was neurotic and nervous and needed the newest drug to change that. I finally stopped listening to them because those drugs seemed to me to be designed to change me and I thought I was fine the way I was. I was fairly shy compared with my sisters and parents who were all very outgoing but there is nothing really wrong with wanting to read a good book or dig a pond, for that matter. Away from my family,I do pretty well. I enjoy the way I spend my time and the company I keep. I think I am a bit shy still but other people seem to have another opinion, saying I am outspoken and confident. I mentioned being shy the other day when I was asked to do a presentation and the woman I was talking to said she would never have thought I was shy and I seemed completely laid back even in the middle of major upheavals and no one ever made me look anything but sure of myself. The others in the group agreed with her. Hummm. Maybe it is all in the eye of the beholder and their standards may be very different. Over the years my parents and sisters except for the oldest one, have decided maybe I am quite normal and even admirable in how I handle things and if I feel I am being pushed, well maybe I am. LOL.
Please check out those allergies Catherine. It really is a possibility. Then do the mood altering thing. Sandy


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Thanks Horton and Sandy.


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  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Wed, Jul 30, 08 at 8:54

Congrats on the good test results, Catherine!! I, too, hope you find the reason for your erratic heartbeat. If it turns out it IS that particular area of the garden, maybe bring in a Master Garden Exorcist. :D

Graceful? That word is foreign to me. LOL

Brenda


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Thanks Brenda,
Ever since I got fibromyalgia and went through perimenopause, all sorts of weird, unexplainable things have happened. You'd think I'd get used to it, but it still throws me for a loop.
Hey........I think the Garden Exorcist is a great idea! I think I'll invite him/her in for tea afterwards......maybe he/she does human stuff on the side. :)
LOL....yeah, I'm the same with graceful. I know how to spell it, but that's as far as it goes!


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Thats great news! Sandy is right, there are all kinds of reasons that might be causing your symptoms. Just don't give up on finding a treatment, life is too short to feel miserable!

I have a "devil" spot in my garden too. NOTHING will grow there, no matter how much I do - I swear there is something evil buried there!


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Hi Catherinet. I remember so much talk about these things over on menopause forum a few months back. I've experienced much of the same. Mine was a combo of different physical problems that caused much of the anxiety/heart problems. Meds, low thyroid, female hormones, stress, ANEMIA. Once all my bloodwork was done and the tests were over, there was still no strait forward answer to what I was experiencing. Finally, I realized I wasn't going to actually die and it seemed to help just knowing my tests were normal and the ones that weren't, there was something that could be done, ie exercise and reduce stress, along with some good vitamins. Still I was having heart rhythm problems and feeling so tired. That's when they discovered I was having chronic amenia caused by one of my meds. It took 2 years, a lot of tests and doctor visits before figuring most of it out and they would have never put it all together without my own input. I started keeping a medical history journal on myself and could tell them exactly when certain symptoms started/stopped and together we connected such things as stressful times along with an increased dose of prednisone caused insomnia, and that in turn aggrivated the rapid heart rate due to the anemia, which caused palpitations. It was a combination of certain factors that once figured out, seemed so obvious and every since I've been able to keep tuned into the cycle. It's really key to reduce your stress over all this and if an anti-depressant will do that for you, you'll sleep better, which will help you to be patient until the doctors can figure it all out.

Try to keep a daily journal on anything you put into your body, your sleep patterns, stress level, bms, and your internal dialog when you are stressed. A pattern should appear over time. I wish you all the best. I'll keep you in my prayers. :)


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Thanks jeanner and grandmapoo,
You know its funny (and embarrassing), but I was checking the menopause forum the other day, and saw a post by me about anxiety......from 2002! Its actually worse now.
The fibromyalgia hit me hard back in l995, but then it was a double whammy with the menopause. I think some of us women are wired in such a way that losing those hormones causes a ton of new problems. I'm more than a little envious of women who go through it and say "Oh, I got a little hot, but that was it."
I kept a journal for so many years, and couldn't really figure anything out. Although I think I figured out that the HRT I was on, caused my GERD. The meds I took for the GERD caused me daily migraines, for which I needed another med. In my case, it seems like the fewer meds I need to be on the better.
I'm on cpap now, which is helping give me a little more energy. My irregular heartbeats seemed to calm down after I began the cpap.
The doc is running a blood test for pheochromocytoma, but its highly unlikely that I have that.
Sandy.....I have become aware that dairywheat and eggs bother me so I try to avoid that. (Unfortunate, since I have my own chickens!)
I really should completely avoid wheat for a test run, but gee that's hard to do!

I started a very low dose of an antidepressant today, and I'm staying away from surfing the net about the side-effects! I'm too suggestable! lol.
I really spent way too many years being depressed and anxious. I hope this helps. Without going into too much detail, let's just say what I was given nature/nurture-wise was pretty bad.
I think I could have spent my entire life in therapy, but if my brain chemicals are off, the deck is stacked against me.......so that's why I've decided to give the meds a try.
Its kind of fun (and definitely funny) thinking of who I might be with a little help from chemistry.
I'm essentially a hermit who doesn't do many things that the rest of the world does. Sometimes DH and I have a good laugh, thinking about who I might become.
I'll just be happy if I don't have a stroke going to the dentist, or if I can let my kids do things without convincing them they're going to die if they do them.
Anxiety and depression have been such a part of my life, I think I've just accepted them as normal.
At least I have my watergardens to make me happy, right? Who doesn't feel peace and happiness looking into a pool of waterlilies or lotus? Maybe after I get this med going, I won't turn into the incredible hulk when I see the japanese beetles all over the lotus blossoms. lol!
Thanks for listening.


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Catherine,

The Garden Exorcist isn't such a bad idea IMHO. A dowser can find and block negative earth energy (noxious rays) which can cause a number of problems. If you don't know of anyone in your area who dowses, you can contact the American Society of Dowsers (asd@dowsers.org) and they can help you find one.

Anne


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Can they dowse me too Anne? :)


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  • Posted by lefd05 z5/6 westCO (My Page) on
    Fri, Aug 1, 08 at 13:01

I'm sorry you are having problems. Geez, menopause is a roller-coaster ride of garbage just by itself.
Menopause hit me last year and its about drove me nuts. Anxiety has probably been the worst part of it for me.
I'm to the point myself where I believe I'm going to have to break down and get an anti-depressant. I took Paxil a number of years ago and I did not like how it affected me at all. It made me mentally numb. Tried Lexapro too and my body never could adjust to it and it made me more depressed than I was before.
So I understand your reluctance about taking the meds.

I would be suspicious of something toxic in that part of your garden. Its a bit odd that both you and your husband have problems from being in that same spot.


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Catherine,

Yes, some dowsers can dowse people too.

Anne


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Thanks Anne and Lefd.
Lefd......I've talked to so many women with the same problem. Some women even developed a fear of leaving the house after menopause.
I started a very low dose of the med yesterday, and I woke up in the middle of the night with horrible symptoms that are still with me. I don't see how I can make it through this, but I guess we'll see. Its like my neuro system is just too danged sensitive.
I don't want to go through hell getting adjusted to it, and then find out I don't like it, and then have to go through hell coming off it.
Have you tried something for anxiety, rather than depression? I'm using a little xanax, but because of its addictive qualities, I'm trying to use it sparingly.......which is really hard if I'm freaking out 24/7!
Good luck to you on your journey through this obnoxious (and scary) time of life!


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Hi Catherinet,
It does take a few days for your body to adjust to the med. They usually start you out on half the dose.
Funny, the comment on Paxil. How different each of us are in our bodies. I was on a low dose of Paxil for about 6 mos. and LOVED it! I was so easy going and felt like a real person again. When I weaned myself off of it, I realized that I was more in control of the anxiety attacks. I convinced myself if I could be ok on the Paxil, I could be ok off of it. Somehow, the experience of being on the drug gave me more confidence in myself. I still have anxiety, but am able to control how I react to it. It's hard sometimes and sometimes I do have to break off a piece of xanax, just a small piece, and it's enough to get me thu the height of the attack.

Keep up the journaling! Ask your doctor about your dose and how you feel. I'm about to have a colonoscopy and am SO fearing what that drug they give people to relax before is going to do to me! I don't like the feeling of not being in control and woosy or strange sensations gives me anxiety too.

Recently my primary care doctor (female) said this about my stress complaint, "Oh you poor thing, you have no hormones to help you deal." pfffft! :)


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Catherine, I am praying for you that your doctor will do what is best for you and you can feel better real soon. I can't relate to depression or anxiety attacks. I have been through menopause and without the benefit of any HRT. When I developed breast cancer the doctor was really glad that he had not prescribed hormones because then we didn't have to wonder if the cancer was hormone induced. God and my faith got me through the breast cancer. Since I had regular mammograms, it was caught at an extremely early stage. 1 Millimeter. I elected not to have surgery or Radiation, but had more frequent mammograms until the doctor was satisfied that it was not going to come back. Now it has been about 13 years and I have my mammograms every year faithfully. I was having pains that I thought might be heart related, but turned out to be only acid-reflux. And now that I take Nexium that is under control also. My brother was born with a defective hip and has suffered with it all his life. Over the last few years, the pain had gotten so unbearable that he was really depressed. So now that he is on an antidepressent and is on very serious pain meds, he is a changed person. He's still in pain, but he has a much better outlook on life. So here's hoping that you, too will be able to find out what works for you and you'll be happy and carefree soon. Glenda


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Thanks grandmapoo and Glenda.

I started out on 1/4 pill and today I'm going up to 1/2.....which frightens me. I just can't believe the reaction my body has to change.
Grandmapoo.......I think that does happen sometimes......that the meds allow you to learn how to react to stress differently and and you can react that way without the meds later. Good luck with your colonoscopy. Here's some encouragement for you.......I am a very anxious person, and the colonoscopy was a piece of cake for me! The worst part (besides drinking all that stuff), was getting so cold from not eating! I don't remember a thing during the test, and I had no anxiety. You'll be fine! And you'll be so relieved afterwards that you had it done. Good luck!
Glenda.......I'm so glad your cancer is under control. You're so lucky to never have had depression or anxiety! And I'm glad your brother found relief with the meds.
I'm taking the higher dose of the medicine this afternoon. I almost feel like I'm taking cyanide or something! I'm learning to try to stop running from scary feelings, and just feel them. I'm sure that will take alot of practice!

Thanks grandmapoo and Glenda for your encouragement!


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Catherine,

I'm praying for you. I know how much courage it takes to face the anxiety and take a new path choosing meds.

When I was adjusting to the meds and didn't like how I was feeling, I just reminded myself that I had a choice of being anxiety ridden for the rest of my life or go through a bit of discomfort for a short period of time and then not have the anxiety attacks that paralyzed me.

The problem, of course, is that I couldn't imagine what it would be like to live without constant anxiety attacks. It's great - I know that now!!

And, yes, I do sometimes start to get an anxiety attack, but I can breathe through it, without it going full blown.
I have xanax in case I need it for a specific purpose: ie - lumbar puncture!!!

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Thanks Anne.

That helps me too........thinking about having this level of anxiety and depression for the rest of my life. I just couldn't deal with it. It makes some of these side-effects and new sensations easier to take. I'm looking forward to feeling different and not being anxious all the time!
Thanks again.
P.S. are you getting a lumbar puncture?


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Hope you're soon on the mend, Cath! Keep far away from the side effects of any meds! (Don't ask me how we know this.)


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Thanks CD3!
LOL I know just what you mean!


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Catherine,

One of the funniest experiences I had after I started taking medication for anxiety, depression and ADHD was when something happened that normally would have sent me into a mind-blowing anxiety attack. I sailed through the experience in a positive, beneficial way. Later that night I realized what had happened (or not happened as the case may be) and almost had an anxiety attack over not having had one. hahaha

I have had two lumbar punctures and may have a 3rd, hopefully that will be the last.

The first one, it was all I could do to keep from screaming, not from pain, just from anxiety; the poor Dr didn't know what to do with me deep breathing and ohming. hahaha

But, he's one of the sweetest men, not to mention, Doctors, I've ever met. He takes the time to listen to what you have to say and actually responds accordingly. He is an angel in the Hospital. Everyone, patients and nurses alike love him.

The second one, I used Xanex. That made the experience much less anxiety-ridden for me and, I'm sure, much less stressful and puzzling for the Dr.

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Well, best of luck to you Anne. I'm glad you have a nice doc.
Did the deep breathing help at all? You made me think of my labor with my second child. I didn't attend any classes, but just watched a Lamaze-type video and practiced breathing. But during the labor, all I did was scream like a Banshee.
I have to take xanax for MRIs. They are my "LP"s.


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I was one of the original test subjects for bio-feedback training back in the 70's. It has helped me all my life in many different situations. Deep breathing is part of that.


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I've always wanted to try the biofeedback stuff. Are they still doing it? Do they hook you up to a monitor? I can make my heartrate go faster at will, but I can't slow it down......which is unfortunate. haha I think that's the opposite of what biofeedback is about.


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Catherine,

I don't know if they are still doing biofeedback training. I think it should be taught in kindergarten.

I was hooked up to a monitor. The great thing about that was that "you" didn't have to do anything to slow the heartbeat. The body learned it on its own. That's what the monitor was for. I could actually feel my body enjoying the experience and looking forward to the next session. I guess basically it is giving up control and allowing nature to balance itself.

I believe that meditation, Tai Chi, Yoga, etc are also a form of bio feedback as far as balancing oneself.
Anne


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Thanks Anne.......I think LOTS of things should be taught to kids starting in kindergaren that aren't!
I'm only at half the 50mg dose of this med, and I am so exhausted I can hardly function. Does that go away???
I've wasted so many years with fibromyalgia being exhausted, and this past year, it was doing better. I certainly don't want to go back to being exhausted all the time again.


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Catherine,

When I first started taking the medication I was just dragging through the day, but realized it was because I had been taking herbal supplements for calming down and to help me sleep. Once I stopped them, the exhaustion went away. So, if you are taking any herbal supplements, that might be the first place to adjust.

If you aren't, this might be something to discuss with your Dr. I don't know if the adjustment period includes being that tired.

Good luck!!
Anne


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Catherine ....

Just wondering .... how are things? Is it getting any better?


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Hi jeanner,
Thanks for asking.
I'm going up on the med at a snail's pace. Tomorrow I will go up to the full dose. I kept having important events to deal with, and didn't want to change anything until I got through those. So far, so good. I'm not skipping and laughing yet. ;)
In fact, I can't tell too much difference yet, except that the panic is a bit less. I'm also on a beta blocker, which helps to keep my heart from racing.....which would always send me into panic.
My son is leaving for his 2nd year of college in a little over a week.........which causes great turmoil and emotion. (Great sadness, interspersed with ecstasy). hahahaha
I still have episodes of weakness, shaking and sweating, which I'm not sure is related to panic/anxiety. It might be hormonal. Die you ovaries, die!! haha
Someone told me once that the pain of childbirth wasn't god's punishment to Eve for eating the apple.........it's menopause! haha
Anyhow.......probably more info than you really wanted, but I do thank you for asking.
Hopefully, before long, I'll be the life of the party, and become a social butterfly. Well, maybe not. But hopefully I'll be just a little happier.
Thanks Jean!


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  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Sat, Aug 16, 08 at 10:18

"Die you ovaries, die!!"

LOL!!! Oh, Catherine, you always seem to have such a great outlook on things, such a great spirit, I never would have guessed from your previous posts how much you've been suffering....until this thread. I sure hope you find some sort of peace soon! You definitely deserve it. :)

Brenda


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Thanks Brenda!
What a nice thing to say! That does more for me than any medicine could! :)


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  • Posted by horton 6 b Ontario. (My Page) on
    Sun, Aug 17, 08 at 7:16

Cathy, Good to read you are still cheerful and looking on the sunny side of life.
I cannot say I that I'm in tune with what you are going through!
I always thought that Menopause, was when women took a break away from having contact with men???
And being a man, I could never understand why they would want to!!??

Anyway, I hope all becomes right for you soon.
You are a boon to this forum and always manage to put a smile on this old face.
"Horton"


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Thanks Horton.
What a nice compliment! :)
Do any of you remember a short-lived comedy series called "Dinosaurs"? It was a very funny, intelligent show. They were dinosaurs, but were living like humans. Anyhow, they had a show on "hurling". It was when dinosaurs would get old, they'd instinctually know to go to the tar pit and hurl themselves into it.....thus making room in life for more younger dinosaurs.
Well, I'm starting to think that the craziness of menopause is nature's way of telling us to go hurl ourselves! lol!
I'm not quite ready to go yet, plus I don't know where any tar pits are. :)


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  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Mon, Aug 18, 08 at 10:54

LOL!!! You 2 are funny! Catherine, I think most of us dinosaurs will have to make the pilgrimage to the infamous La Brea Tar Pits in Los Angeles. I'll meet you out front. I'll be wearing a pink-flowered muumuu and sporting a hair net.

Brenda


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LOLOLOLOLOLOL Brenda!!
Its a date. I'll be lookin' for ya!


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Catherine,

Hope you keep improving.

lisa


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Hmmmm, can't tell if the drugs are working or if she's finally snapped.....lol. (However I do want to be included in the LA Tar Pit Gang when my time comes...(o:

Sorry Cath, couldn't help myself! I really do hope you're feeling better. Stick with it, and if this med doesn't work go back, and back, and back 'til you and your doctor figure out whats right for you. You deserve it. Big Hugs!!!

Sarah


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I'll be the one with the pink fuzzy slippers!

A snail's pace is a GOOD thing - you don't want to be making any drastic changes on top of everything else.
Hang in there!


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Thanks everyone,

You keep me laughing! :)


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Horton, don't be silly. Menopause is the time when a woman can feel as sexy as she wants and there aren't any reminders 9 months later. There's games in the bedroom and games in the bathroom and games in a dark corner of the porch and games in the kitchen and office and..... Sandy


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  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Fri, Aug 22, 08 at 9:25

I don't know, Sandy. I've never been a big fan of Monopoly. Maybe Trivial Pursuit. Hard to read the cards on a dark porch, though...:D

Brenda


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You are hysterical Brenda!!!


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Ok, let this old country gal tell you what menopause means in Texas. It's simply to stop fishing with a minnow and tryin' another bait. :)

Catherinet, hang in there. I'm glad you feel even a little less anxious. Any little bit helps.
((((HUGS))))


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  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Tue, Aug 26, 08 at 10:58

LOL!! Yet another reason to love Texas, 'Poo! And GO, COWBOYS! :D

Thanks, Catherine. I cause hysteria wherever I go, and I thought that was a bad thing. LOL Hope your son made it off to college ok! And I hope you're weathering life better each day. :)))

Brenda


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Thanks grandmapoo.
Brenda, sometimes hysteria is a really good thing! :)
We took our son to college yesterday. Talk about yin/yang, bitter/sweet, agony/ecstasy!
I do miss him and will worry about him, but I can actually hear myself think now and don't have to argue all day long! Hey.....maybe I won't even need an antidepressant now! lolol!


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Your welcome, Catherinet.
I hope your son isn't so very far from home that a visit can't be arranged. I have fond memories of visiting my step son @ Texas A&M. It's truly bitter sweet, as you said.

Brenda, love Texas but don't be fooled. Texas women get REALLY grouchy when their minnow won't wiggle no more!
Go Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texans! :)


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  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Fri, Aug 29, 08 at 10:05

Oh, yes, the arguing. It's SO nice when step-son comes to visit now that he's breaking rules on his own time...and not talking back on mine! :D

Not sure if it's the Cali girl in me...or the Idaho(an)? Maybe the Irish/German...but I have grouchy down to a science, and I'm still using minnows. LOL

Brenda


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I boo-hoo'd for weeks when my son went to college. He is our youngest (child #2). My daughter had a fit; said I didn't boo-hoo like that over her going off to college (I did but she didn't know it).

The situation with my son was different; he was accidentally shot and left paralyzed at age 16. Lots of rehab and work to get him where he could live alone on a college campus. First week there he calls me at 11:30pm and tells me he's bleeding when he caths...told him to watch closely to see if it became worse..if so to go to the ER at the hospital near him; otherwise he should go to the campus clinic the next morning and leave a urine sample. I could not sleep all night worrying that I gave him bad advise--that he was lying there bleeding to death. Turns out it was just another bladder infection.

He is now 36 and I still get phone calls that keep me awake all night but they are not as often. He is married so I don't worry about his falling and not able to get up, etc.

The Joys of Motherhood!

Peggy


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We never stop worrying, do we Peggy? As they say, being a parent is a life sentence!


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How you doin', Catherine? :-)


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Thanks for asking CD3.
I'm doing fairly well. I seem to have adjusted fairly quickly to the med. I'm thinking of asking to go up on the dose, since I'm not laughing hysterically yet. :)
I did have a panic attack last night while watching the RNC though. Sorry! I just couldn't resist!! :)


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  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Fri, Sep 5, 08 at 10:18

Catherine, I had a panic attack, too! But it was during the DNC last week. *Twilight Zone music* LOL!!

Maybe we both inhaled some of those (expensive) gas fumes. Happy pills are probably a LOT cheaper than those fumes, though. :D

Hope you continue to adjust and get to laughing your patooty off soon!!

Brenda


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Good to hear you are doing well, Catherine!

DON'T WATCH THE DEBATES!!!!!!!!! :-)

~~~~~~> Bren..... Thankfully no panic attack here. We didn't watch the DNC / VNC. 8-)


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LOL you two!
CD3......what's the VCN? Is that a convention I missed? or is that your favorite adjective to describe that "other" party........the one that made me panic? teehee
Here's a very interesting side-effect I've gotten from the med: I don't want to eat veggies any more. Isn't that weird?? I ate them constantly before and loved them. I'm sort of bummed. I know they're good for me, but they just don't interest me anymore. I eat them though. Just not as much fun.
Unfortunately, I've become more interested in hot fudge sundaes. uh oh........


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That's odd! Not wanting your veggies? I *know* that sometimes medications will alter the taste buds so certain foods taste odd or horrid and taste for foods can abruptly change! Mmmmm. Hot fudge! :-)

The VNC? Uhhhhh .... It's a term for the cause of Brenda's panic. NO NEED TO PANIC, BRENDA, dearest! There was a guy who put a home-made sign in his front lawn a while ago ...

Soooooooo ..... It became the VNC. :-)

Doesn't matter. DON'T WATCH THE DEBATES!


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  • Posted by youreit z9b CA Sunset z8-9 (My Page) on
    Sat, Sep 6, 08 at 10:37

I wonder if I start taking some of those meds, I'll crave veggies. :D I think I need a taste bud implant or something.

Debates, polls, media...they all frighten me. I also need a valve implant to shut it off!! :D

Brenda


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Medications can cause conditions that mess up your taste buds. About 3 or 4 years ago my doctor insisted I use an inhaler to prevent bronchitis. I didn't like it but stopped using it too late to prevent several infections including Thrush which ruined my sense of taste. The Thrush came back twice. It might be years before I can taste properly or at all. About the only thing that has any flavor now is berry flavored chewing gum. :( Sandy


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That's interesting about taste changing. I don't take any meds except Nexium and HBP meds and have taken them for many years. But the fast foods are really turning me off. I just got some french fries from Wendys yesterday and they had such a bad taste I couldn't eat them. They left a bitter taste in my mouth. I think it's whatever they cook them in now. A few days ago we ate at Western Sizzlin and I had some pork chops that taste like they were fried in used motor oil. Hubby mostly ate from the salad bar. We both got a case of the Green Apple Footsteps. Guess if I have to start eating things that actually taste good, I'll lose some weight. That's a good thing. Glenda


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OMG Sandy,

Just read this post and you talked about thrush. That is a nasty, nasty word in my book. I supposedly have asthma and am on the inhaler Advair. After too many, too many bouts with thrush I went cold turkey off of Advair. I got thrush back in February. It got so bad it went to my throat and tonsils. Even my gums were bleeding. I couldn't even drink tea I was in so much agony. I lost 5# because I couldn't eat. I still had thrush in May after a month of being on Diflucam to take it away. I could eat but it still hurt, and forget about taste. I lived on applesauce, jello and pudding.

On Father's Day this year I thought I had a small stoke. It felt like someone had stabbed me in the left side of my head with a sharp pencil, then my whole left side went numb, even my tongue. The MRI showed I had a slight brain aneurysm that had healed itself. That was it. I decided the Lord gave me a second chance at life and I wasn't going to abuse it. I am now on a strict low-sodium diet. I have lost 30#. It seems like the pounds are just melting away. If it ain't natural it ain't going in my body. I gave up diet pop, and anything with splenda, neutrasweet or aspartame in it. I have been told I have had asthma and allergies my whole life, and I can't believe the difference. I haven't used an inhaler since February and don't have a problem breathing. I haven't had an asthma attack (thank God) and this is the first year I haven't sneezed my head off during allergy season. I am up to 1.60 miles on the manual treadmill and can bench press 50# on the Bowflex. I don't care what my allergist tells me, I refuse to put anymore steroids into my body. That's what caused the thrush in my mouth and throat, steroids in the Advair inhaler. I feel like I have been reborn.

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I know these post are old, but I'm reading them for the first time and FINALLY someone else get's it and I'm not crazy! I'm 46 and have been struggling for 6-8 months. The stories are exactly like mine. Heart palpitations, Dr/cardiologist appt. heart monitor EKG, cardiogram, heart ultrasound...all came up neg. Thyroid and blood are normal and my cholesterol is outstanding...so what the hell is wrong with me?! I'm in panic most of the time, to the point where I was worried about driving for fear that I'd have a heart attack on the highway. I've got insomnia (usually 4-5 hours pr night), pain in my throat (probably from jamming my fingers into my pulse point) I can't remember ANYTHING, I'm miserable and depressed and feel like I'm dying or have cancer, all the time.
I just started taking Magnesium and have been taking calcium for 3 years since my Mum died of complications of osteoporosis. I do freelance work, thank goodness because I could not work F/T feeling the way I do. You ladies have helped me so much tonight...I'm elated and feel empowered for the first time in months


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Hi sher-sytlist!

I'm still here! I'm sorry to hear you're having such a hard time. I think some women, during perimenopause, begin to lose alot of their muscle strength......especially in their throats......which can cause sleep apnea. I started using a cpap machine around the time I initially started this thread, and it has made a huge difference in my life. If you snore alot, or wake up alot at night, and feel really fatigued during the day, maybe you should consider having a sleep study done.
Seems like some women can just breeze through perimenopause, and others of us go through hell.

I'm 64 now. I actually ended up in the E.R. again about 2 months ago because of a fast heart rate. Everything was normal. So I guess I might still be having panic attacks.

Xanax is a nice drug to have around to occasionally take during those times.

Good luck to you Sher! And just know that this WILL pass sometime!


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