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| I'm in the research and design phase of a diy bio-filter for my small pond, using buckets, flowerpots, parts of an old shop-vac, and whatever other bits I can scrounge. Since I have goldfish, and they like a high pH, I was going to incorporate oyster shells, but then it occurred to me that cuttlebones (the interior shell of a squid-like mollusc) are not only mostly calcium carbonate, they have a porous texture that, it seems to me, would be great as a biofilter substrate. In essence, I would be killing two birds with one bone...
Anybody have experience using them? How long do they last? Do they seem to work well as a biofilter substrate? I'm sure they'll be fine chemically, since I already use lime and oyster shell and the goldies love it. TIA,
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- Posted by sleeplessinftwayne z4-5 IND (My Page) on Fri, Feb 18, 11 at 17:27
| That sounds interesting. I would wonder if they dissolve eventually or if bacteria could tolerate the high PH. It seems to me it could be very expensive compared to the many items that have been suggested. Maybe you have some sort of cheap supply source? I have found Plaster of Paris works very well to maintain PH levels but it doesn't go into the filter. |
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| Sleepless, plaster of paris is gypsum, which is pH neutral. It will supply calcium and sulfur, but it won't affect pH. Jim, I think a bag of crushed coral from a fish store would be a better choice. Coral is naturally porous, and the smaller particle size would provide more surface area in immediate contact with the water. Also, cuttle bone contains organics that may or may not be desirable. |
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- Posted by sleeplessinftwayne z4-5 IND (My Page) on Sat, Feb 19, 11 at 11:46
| Use of POP (Plaster of Paris) is mentioned in this explanation of various chemical issues including buffering. The point of using POP is that it is neutral. It only reacts chemically with acid (below 8.3) and stops reacting once 8.3 (or close enough)is reached. Other posts found in a search are very helpful. KH and PH are often confused and I should have made my statement more clear. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Maintaining buffering capacity
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| In that link you state that plaster of paris is calcium carbonate. But a quick search shows that plaster of paris is calcium sulfate. If it were calcium carbonate, then the carbonate would buffer the pH as you say. But calcium sulfate has no such effect. I couldn't find any examples of plaster of paris containing calcium carbonate, but maybe it is sold that way somewhere? In any case, there are plenty of other sources of calcium carbonate: dolomitic lime, crushed coral, oyster shell, etc. |
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- Posted by sleeplessinftwayne z4-5 IND (My Page) on Sun, Feb 20, 11 at 17:59
| There is indeed a calcium carbonate plaster of paris even if most of what you see is calcium sulphate. The following information may be helpful. "Posted by drh1 z4 VT (My Page) on Sun, May 17, 09 at 18:28 |
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- Posted by gemini_jim 7a MD (My Page) on Mon, Feb 21, 11 at 10:36
| I guess it shows why it is important to use chemical names rather than commercial/industrial names... Thanks all. I hadn't thought about coral. 5# of cuttlebone runs $20-$25 online. Since cuttlebone is pretty low-density this should take up more space than the same weight of coral gravel and have more of the properties of the scrubby pads that many people use in skippy-type filters. I may experiment with a smaller amount over a bed of coral gravel and see what happens... |
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