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| I have a small natural pond,30' x 30'. A month ago I purchased 3 new select Koi, 3"-4". One of them developed a small sore behind the dorsal fin, last night when i took the boat out I noticed the fish among the cat tails and it has full blown dropsey. Should I euthanize this fish, or let mother nature take its course? Will dropsey affect the other fish? |
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| You would be best to take the fish out of the pond and euthanize. If you leave it in there it can possibly cause problems for the other fish, who will nibble on the dead carcass. Six to eight drops of Oil of Cloves, added to enough water in a container to just cover the fish, will act as a tranquilizer. After the fish is still, you can place the fish, still in container and covered with the water, into the freezer overnight. A container with a lid will make it easier to handle and keep the fish from jumping out. It is never easy to carry out euthanasia on any creature, but it is the most prudent thing to do in the case of Dropsey, as there is no cure for it. |
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- Posted by louisea_2010 5 (My Page) on Fri, Aug 20, 10 at 7:25
| Thank you Horton. I'm still trying to net the little sucker. It's still swims pretty fast and it's still eating. It hide in the cat tails making it nearly impossable to net. I check the pond 3 timesa day, so if it dies I can discard the carcass asap. Thanks again. |
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| this is what i found from the pond doctor at mu university.. hope it helps Dropsy is a SYMPTOM of other problem(s) with the fish. Dropsy can be due to problems with the environment (water quality, temperature shock, alkalinity), parasites, bacteria or virus. DIAGNOSIS Check the water parameters, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, pH, alkalinity and temperature. Was there an ammonia or nitrite spike? Are nitrates high? Was the temperature of the water matched during the last water change? Was the alkalinity of the water changed suddenly? Do Jo Ann's 3 point physical. Are there any indications of fried gills, bacterial infection, parasites? Have the fish been showing any other behaviors of degraded water quality, parasites or bacteria? Do a scrape and look for parasites if you have a microscope. If the temperature in the tank or pond has dropped suddenly, prognosis is very good for treatment. TREATMENT: If parasites are likely, treat for them first for 3 days increasing the temperature to 86oF as fast as possible. Do NOT use salt, use epsom salts and use extremely good aeration. Pop-eye is sometimes caused by Edwardsiella ichtalori (info supplied by the Goldfish Guru). It is carried by frogs and turtles, especially if you are in the south. Feed Romet B, but better is A number of us have found that keeping the heat up to 84-86oF of for 2 weeks minimum, keeping oxygen levels high and feeding with antibiotic food like Romet B has brought most of them around. We don't know for how long. Little to no salt, and 1/8 teaspoon of epsom salts per 5 gallon water. The temp alone kills most strains of Aeromonas. Feeding erythromycin laced food (soak dry food) or romet B will kill the second suspected bacteria, mycobacterium. The salt thing is counterintuitive. It is rational to think the salts would "draw" the fluid out, but actually, the fish is having a hard time getting rid of salts, which is why it is blowing up. The epsom salts, on the other hand, will not pass through the walls of the gut or gills, and is supposed to "draw out toxins". It definitely pulls water out of the surrounding tissue into the gut when used as a laxative. No one is sure if this is a cure (when done for at least 2 weeks). But I have not had a relapse so far (7 months I think) if the fish make it through dropsy. Dropsy and ascites are different. In both cases fish blows up, but when the scales stand out, this is more normally called dropsy or pineconing. This is more treatable. Ascites, when the fish blows up but the scales are flat usually goes along with no ammonia which points to kidney damage. If the fish has ascites and is producing ammonia, maybe this too is curable. In discussion with Jo Ann, of the 5 causes of dropsy (parasitic, bacterial, viral, temperature shock, toxic water), Jo Ann says caused by bacteria can be cured by high heat because aeromonas is killed by high heat. I am not so sure that heat is only responsible for killing bacteria. Bob Gray talked about dropsied fish that were only fine in hot water, the minute the temp was reduced, they dropsied again. It didnt seem that the bacteria returned, rather it seems to point to some physiological defect where the fish could not regulate water intake/output at lower temps. In humans, some people get heat stroke and once they have had it once, they are always susceptible. It is tied in with electrolyte imbalance as ingesting gatorade AND taking cold showers reverses the condition. Without taking electrolytes and bringing the temp down, the body temp just keeps rising until coma and death. So electrolyte regulation is tied in to heat somehow. And electrolyte imbalance is tied into edema, like in congestive heart failure, where fluid is lost into the tissues across the capillary bed and cannot be brought back in. GF whole metabolism is tied into temperature. Dropsy is the loss of electrolyte/fluid control. In GF, it seems the imbalance and swelling works opposite of humans. A quick drop in temp can trigger dropsy. And moving fish from soft to hard water can cause dropsy. So I think that bringing the temp up may treat dropsy by another mechanism, as in the case of Bob's fish. Reason why the heat method doesnt work for some fish Reason why the heat method doesnt work for some fish Reason why the heat method doesnt work for some fish Reason why the heat method doesnt work for some fish Reason why the heat method doesnt work for some fish Reason why the heat method doesnt work for some fish Reason why the heat method doesnt work for some fish Reason why the heat method doesnt work for some fish IN POND FISH Don't quit the heat if the scales go down. Don't stop the epsom. It takes this long to get the toxins or whatever out of their system. Stop sooner, and they relapse easily. Dropsy can also be caused by quick drops in temps, but only in susceptible fish. |
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