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plants form the lake?

Posted by lisa11310 z5 MI (My Page) on
Sun, Nov 8, 09 at 15:41

We took Dh's fishing boat out to get some kind of winterizing gunk in the motor. The lake is so clear that I could see some lovely water plants. I would love a few for my pond but dont want to put my fish at risk. How do I treat plants from a lake before I put them in my pond. I was thinking of putting some in my top 50 gal pond when I shut the falls off for the winter. If the plant makes it through the winter will freezing be enough to kill anything that may be harmful to my fish?


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RE: plants form the lake?

I have read that when you put any live plants in your pond you should treat them with a bleach water dip to kill unwanted bacteria and and any snails that may be attatched. I cannot remember the ratio of bleach to water. They also must be put in a rinse bath after.


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The lake water is a lot cleaner than the water in your backyard pond.


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I found the post on sterilizing plants on another forum I frequent.

1 Tbs Potassium permanganate to 2 gallons water in a bucket. Make sure to rinse with plain water before putting in the pond. This can be purchased from repair places for water softeners.

They said that bleach will kill the roots. So that should not be used.

If you put them in the pond without doing this their is a lot of bacteria and parasites that can kill your fish if you just put them in your pond.


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No, bleach does not kill plant roots, unless you use an inappropriate high dose. A spoon or two per bucket of water will work fine to surface sterilise aquatic plants and turn to a benign dose of salt in a couple of days.

This will bump off most nasties with the exception of invasive seeds, larval pests or pests embedded in the plants.

Plants (which may or may not carry eggs, larvae) from the wild, or iffy ponds may carry and transmit khv (devastates koi) Various fish parasites and disease (varying levels of distress up to death) crown rot (devastates hybrid waterlilies) leeches (fairly disgusting when they get between your toes and start sucking) among other things


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If I was taking plants from the lake I would definity use the PP myself. This stuff will kill all of the nasties if you want to put them in right away. The other way is to quarantine for 20 days and the parasite eggs will cylce and drop off dead but snails and other nasties may remain.


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  • Posted by kalevi 4 Ottawa, ON (My Page) on
    Tue, Nov 17, 09 at 17:20

Be aware that it is illegal to transport some of the plants you may take a fashion to as they are consider invasive species. (take them but don't let the authorities see you)

As folks have said, watch out that you do not introduce parasites into your pond. Snails are usually OK. I suspect my fish eat them because they only seem to survive in the pre-filter and biofilter. I find very few on the plants.

PP will get rid of most single celled bacteria and parasites. You can also dose with Quick Cure to get rid of multi-celled parasites. Something called had a snail will kill the snails. Make sure all this dosing happens in a quarantine container.


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I have many plants in my pond that were collected from local lakes. The local plants usually do better in summer and survive the winter because they are native to the temperature range.

All plants can be infected with parasites. I don't see a difference between the potential hazards of plants from the store or plants from the wild. At least I know the where the wild plants came from.

For the most part, plants from local lakes are native to the region and plants from the store are the invasive species.


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I like the statement above that the plants from your lake may be cleaner than your pond. This is true in a variety of ways.
Plants from a local pond or lake may introduce new parasites but the chances are that those will be introduced to your pond anyway, via birds and frogs.
The flip side of the coin is that plants and fish from a dealer may come from another region and bring a host of new critters.
B.


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Hi
Please keep the forum informed if you do this.?? I have done this with several problems and it really is a catch 22 situation.
Except the "invasive" problem everything in florida is invasive including the people
I don't have any of my collected plants now as they were'nt pretty enough eventually lol gary


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While I have not always done this myself (though I've wished I had). Scoop out a 5 gallon bucket (or 20 gallons) of pond water and keep the plants in quarantine for several weeks. Treat them or not as you wish. At least after a few week you should see any new snails, bugs, etc that may hatch out.


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Plants from the wild tend to survive in such a competitive environment because of some fiendish ability to reproduce, they may be humugous seeders or spreaders, or stubbornly tough by rhisome

You might think isolating them is good for reducing the risk of pests or parasites, only to find they drop thousands of seed that spring up in every nook or cranny and plant pot...

A feature of the 'cultivated' varieties and those found in collections is while they have some redeeming features by way of looking nice or doing something useful in season, their growing habits are known to be fairly easy to control

While there are some risks associated with circulating plants from other folks collections, when you know what you are planting you stand a much better chance of growing something which is likely to be a long term asset rather than a liability


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I have several plants in both wild and "domesticated" store bought varieties. As an example, I purchased iris and bulrush plants when I started my pond and have added wild versions of the same plants over the years. I can't tell the difference between them at this point. They both have exactly the same appearance and growth rate.

I never had a wild plant that caused any growth or invasion problems. I can't say the same about some of the store plants I experimented with.


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Many a bullrush and iris are absolutely devestating plants let loose on a fertile native pond, whether taken from a native location or a store.

Somehow it comes as no surprise some stores put iffy plants from iffy ponds on shelves with thoroughly inadequate descriptions, just as some resellers have no problem fobbing off crown rot infected plants, boxed blue hardy waterlilies bought from China at 5c apiece or dangle some mundane run of the mill fickle flimsy tropical waterlily for as much as $20

Fortunately theres no need to be stuck with iffy plants from iffy ponds or skallywags when specialist collectors provide a better choice at a better price on EBAY :)


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I brought some home from a lake about a week ago. I didn't do any real treatment, kept them separate for a few days. When I did put them in the pond, my fish went nuts! I don't know if they were getting critters of some kind of just eating the roots, but it was like a feeding frenzy.


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I decided to leave the plants in the lake. I may re consider this spring when we get the boat out again.


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