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erasmus 7a NC (
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Thu, Jan 17, 13 at 12:32
I like hybrid teas for their rebloom, big blooms, and some of them for the way they grow. Frederic Mistral for example is like a small tree here..an enormous, branchy thing very far removed from the bloom-on-a-stick version of ht's. Last year I bought Folklore, and it too looks like it's going to be a wonderful, strong growing, branchy plant. Others that are looking promising are Buxom Beauty and Gruss an Coburg. I like the growth habit of the grandiflora, Cherry Parfait.
What are your favorite ht's that make great plants, especially own-root ? |
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| I was going to recommend Frederic Mistral...but then I read your post. We certainly agree about him. Other big, vigorous roses I like very much are Ascot, called both a hybrid tea by some, and a grandiflora by others. Then there is Wild Blue Yonder, which took a while to win me over. WBY was mislabeled as Julia Child, so I acquired this rose as a mistake. It look about three years for it to settle down into a great big bush that wasn't sending out long awkward canes and quickly fading blooms. The last two years it's overcome these deficits and is always in bloom, and the blooms seem to last much longer. And it's HUGE, but with a good shape, finally. WBY is also a grandiflora/hybrid tea. I have two Ascots that are both on multiflora, while WBY is grafted on Dr Huey. Diane |
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| That photo was Ascot. The next is Wild Blue Yonder. Diane |
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| Erasmus, thank you for starting this thread. I am looking for exactly the same types of roses as you, so I will be watching this thread with interest. I have read through dozens if not hundreds of posts both here and on the Antique Roses forum looking for the perfect "bushy" and vigorous hybrid tea-type roses that will be good for both garden ornament *and* cutting. Here are a few ideas I have found although I have not yet grown many of them: Frederic Mistral--I have several bands of this on order for spring
Peter Mayle--said to fill out and become bushy once established, I will be trying this both grafted and own root
Bolero--also a great bush shape but a much smaller plant
McCartney Rose--can be a bushy grower once mature
Earth Song--HT-like blooms though they are short-lived both in the garden and as cut flowers
Aunt Honey--same as Earth Song
Quietness--doesn't have traditional HT blooms but this one has a lovely, graceful bush form and almost continuous bloom for me
Gruss an Aachen/Pink Gruss an Aachen--I grow PGaA own root and it is doing very well, gorgeous blooms with a very attractive plant on the smaller side.
Firefighter--said to have a nice bush once mature and does well own root
Lemon Spice--if your climate is warm enough, said to be very "tea-like" own root
Belinda's Dream--nice bushy shrub with HT-like blooms that are good for cutting. I am sure there are many, many others that would be worthy candidates. I can't wait to read other responses to this thread! :-) Good luck,
Ispahan |
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| Hi Gang. This was covered in another thread a while back. It was mostly info from our dear friends out west, but there were some roses mentioned that you haven't talked about here. Here's the name and link to that thread. John |
Here is a link that might be useful: shrubbier HTs
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| Radox Bouquet from Heirloom quickly shot up to the sky and has clusters of strong sweet fragrant pink blooms. A little rounder and somewhat ruffled but still in the HT manner. I am growing Elina own root from Northland Rosarium and it's building very fast. It's said to be tall and bushy which is why I ordered one. This year I ordered Frances Meilland and that is supposed to be another big HT style rose. |
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| I forgot Pink Parfait which is always blooming and full of leaves through not as tall as the ones I mentioned above. It has no visible canes really just masses of leaves and flowers. The flowers open very fast and then stay flat which some people don't like but I don't mind because I grow it for the buds and just opening flowers which I think are perfect looking. Anyway the plant makes them so fast that if you don't like the older flowers cut them off and new ones are there to replace them right away. From a distance its a big mass of color all season. |
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| I don't think Peter Mayle fits your criteria. Its blooms are big and fat (and gorgeous), but the plant itself is not what I would call "bushy." I have three of them and they are kind of skinny, vertical plants--but taller than most of my other HTs, although not as tall as Elina (which definitely is big and bushy). My Elle is quite bushy, but not very tall. Hope that helps. Kate |
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Thanks for these recommendations and link to the previous thread about this. I searched for " vigorous hybrid teas" and
" favorite hybrid teas" and don't know why I didn't try " shrubby hybrid teas." I looked up all the ones mentioned that I don't already grow and have written down my favorites in my rose notebook. Some of the roses mentioned I already grow but they are not vigorous in my garden! I think due to location, root competition, and shade. Others do well, like Earth Song. I have a few stout climbers that behave like shrubby ht's too, such as Westerland, Compassion, and Autumn Sunset. Diane, your picture of Ascot is lovely, with purple shadings I hadn't seen before. Almost ordered that one from Palatine this fall. Elina sounds like a great one also. |
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| Perfume Delight is a vigorous rose, great bloomer; it's very colorful with a delightful fragrance. 
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| I'm completely out of your zone but I love Perfume Delight too. I bought her on an impulse, a cheap Home Dept or Lowe's purchase lasta year and she has been one of the healthiest, most floriferous (sp?) HT roses for me. I even planted a second one this year. Unusual for me as I am an OGR fanatic. |
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| Believe it or not, I have acquired a few HT's recently, feeling that "I've only one gardening life to live, let me live it with fragrance & huge blooms!" So when RU had a sale last summer, I got a few that are said to be very disease resistant. They're still tiny, but Naga Belle is starting out very bushy, more floribunda-like and not vertical. It's not quite a foot tall but almost 2' wide. I've just gotten these. If anyone wants to comment on them as to shape, vigor and health, I'd really appreciate it. Pope John Paul II
Bride's Dream
Curly Pink
Stephen's Big Purple
Heirloom (bought as a body bag at Aldi) I think I'm going to run over to Aldi again. The bug had bitten me. :)) I don't know if it's available in commerce, but Iridescent Pink is starting out VERY vigorous and bushy. Sherry |
Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...
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| I have two Stephen's Big Purple Roses, and they are fairly vigorous, but have the classic upright, bare ankles HT shape. I like the blooms, but they are not purple. They are more a neon magenta, which because of their position in the far back yard, makes this color more desirable (I can see them more easily from the house). The blooms have a lovely scent and last fairly well in the vase, but there aren't enough of them. My BPs are on multiflora which is a disadvantage, I think, with our alkaline soil. I just got an Heirloom last year, a cheap one in a pot from a chain store. It was in nice condition and took right off growing. I love the color and shape of the blooms. Unfortunately, the blooms really shrivel and dry up quickly in our dry, hot summers. Hope this helps. Diane |
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| Thanks, Diane. I'm glad BP is more upright since I have him in a fairly shallow bed. I really go for the bold magentas (don't know about neon though - ha!). I was in Walmart today, trolling. There was an unnamed sulfur yellow HT/floribunda. Now THAT's the color I can't take in MY pastel garden although I did pick up some bright yellow dahlia bulbs. Yay!! Those dahlias did so well last year, blooming heavy from late spring through the end of October and then fewer into December on big plants. LeBaron was its name, and they had him today. Very deep magenta/purple. Very exciting! Sherry |
Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...
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| Ispahan, Lemon Spice is one of my favorite roses..EVER. Although it is not terribly hardy in Chicago, it is worth every bit of effort. A beautiful, graceful, pale yellow with a fragrance that is unmatched. The blooms are HT like as opposed to the english style. SOmetimes there is a slight hint of blush pink in them. Mine is about 3 ft tall during peak months. On the slender side, in prime real estate. Wish I had a picture. A beautiful rose. |
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| Oh...these pictures are out of this world! |
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- Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
Fri, Jan 18, 13 at 20:30
| A nice new one that grows bushy for me is Dick Clark. Really good branching for lots of blooms! |
RE: Recommendations for shrubbiest, most vigorous hybrid teas
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- Posted by TNY78 7a-East TN (My Page) on
Fri, Jan 18, 13 at 20:43
| Linda, I just looked down my HMF list of HT's and of about 50, there's only a handful that I would reccommend (and of those, most don't have the traditional HT bloom). But, here are my favorites :) Ascot
Easy Does It (EXCELLENT!!! although, I didn't realize it was an HT)
Gruss an Aachen
Mon Petit Chou (Excellent rose!)
Over the Moon
Red Headed Stranger ~Tammy |
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| I usually think of Bucks as a class unto themselves, although some are officially ht's. Most of my Bucks are pretty shrubby. I am not really looking for plants that grow as large as Frederic Mistral, because I don't have the room. A plant can be vigorous without being huge. I have a few own-root ht's in pots that I don't know the growth habits of yet, if anyone can comment on these: Halloween
Sweet Afton
Velvet Fragrance just planted
Pink Princess
Sweet Surrender
Alec's Red I have a vigorous Gardens of the World in a pot, and one in the ground. The one in the ground is not doing as well as the one in the pot, which has strong growth. Tammy,
I like Mon Petit Chou and Over the Moon. I think MPC means " my little cabbage". Are blooms small? I have a Stephen's Big Purple in a pot but so far it hasn't grown or bloomed as much as some others. |
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Blueberry Hill
 Just Joey
 Miss All American Beauty
 Plus seconds on: Dick Clark and Cherry Parfait |
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- Posted by TNY78 7a-East TN (My Page) on
Sat, Jan 19, 13 at 13:08
| I have my Over the Moon potted because its on Dr. Huey and won't do well in the ground here, but its a healthy rose, and reblooms well. Mon Petit Chou actually has VERY large blooms (think Paul Neyron size). Its been healthy and its flushes come very close together, which is surprising because it gets partially shaded by my Boule de Neige (which I didn't realize was going to grow to be a monster!). Its "little cabbage" name is definitly not correct in terms of size, but it does have cabbage shaped blooms. Tammy |
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| If you like Folklore, You should like Let Freedom Ring, Gold Medal, Moonstone, Gemini, Elina, Louise Estes, Snuffy, Stainless Steel. These are all in my garden and are big healthy, heavy bloomers. Peace and Chicago Peace are great garden rose's if allowed to grow and not chopped down every year. They both HATE to be pruned heavy. They make a bush like Elina if allowed to grow. You're in the same zone as me so these roses should do great for you also. Have fun trying to pick just a few :) |
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| Sweet Afon is 2 feet tall in my garden setting, and not wide growing, but in a warmer zone it should grow larger. Sweet Surrender is relativly new to the garden, so I'm not sure as to how tall it will grow... sure does have wonderful fragrance! Jadis is a winner for me, beautiful blooms and the fragrance is wonderful. |
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| Last summer I got Royal Kate (it's in the garage right now). I'm not sure how tall it will get - but it has the perfect bush form with tons of flowers. Lovely, lovely rose bush. I would show you a picture, but I didn't save my photos, and my computer died - so I lost all of my photos. Carol |
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| Omg, Harmony, your Just Joey is out of this world. Planted two last spring and they are just dead. |
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| Right, Ken, I can only pick a few since I ran out of room several years ago. However I have sp'd a lot of unsatisfactory plants this fall and winter to make some room. I had three Knockouts that were nice big plants but I wanted their real estate. I have not established good own-root plants of Peace or Chicago Peace. Are yours own-root? Wow, Harmony..those are great whole plant pictures. Are those grafted or own-root? Jadis sounds like a great rose and gets a lot of high ratings on hmf. I couldn't find Royal Kate on hmf. Tammy, how would you say Mon Petit Chou compares to your St. Elisabeth of Hungary? Here are some ht's I like that branch and do well but are not exactly shrubs:
Camelot
Sonia ( it was great, why did I sp it long ago? Thought I didn't like the color)
Oklahoma does well even in a lot of shade
Heirloom a Walmart wonder
Granada this one is almost a shrub
Fragrant Cloud
Mme Abel Chatenay pretty branchy
Traviata very vigorous Used to have Miss All American Beauty..great plant, but ended up getting a lot of botrytis. Love Just Joey but it hasn't done well here. Am trying to fix my shade problem this fall/winter...have been limbing up some big trees and thinning others. Sometimes it seems to me that an own-root rose can balk if planted in the ground too early. Sometimes I dig up a balker, grow it on in progressively bigger pots awhile and then it has the momentum to be vigorous in the ground. Others do ok planted in the ground while small. |
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| All of my HT's are grafted on Dr Huey or Fortuniana. Both C. Peace and Peace are on Dr Huey. Big as a horse in 2 yrs. If you want own root, Heirloom Roses carries both. Move them into 1 gall pots and then into 3 gal. pots and make SURE they have a good root system before putting them into the ground. All of my own root plants are OGR's and 1/2 my Austins'. They are doing great. A lot of times HT's have a hard time own their own roots. Take forever to make it to a good size bush. Me, I want to see a bush within a couple of years that I can enjoy for the next 40+ years. I'm 60ish and can get a little impatient if I don't have a good bush within 3 yrs :) |
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- Posted by TNY78 7a-East TN (My Page) on
Sat, Jan 19, 13 at 23:42
| I like my Mon Petit Chou much better than St. Elisabeth. When St. Elisabeth blooms, its out of this world! My one main complaint about her is that she hasn't been very vigorous. She's been in the ground almost three seasons and has barely even established herself (I'm trying to be patient since she's talking up prime garden real estate!). Mon Petit Chou was planted early last spring and has just gone wild! One thing to keep in mind about these two, St. Elisabeth was purchased as an ownroot band, and Mon Petit was a bareroot grafted onto multiflora, so it has a good headstart in terms of size to begin with. I'm hopng this season St. Elisabeth finally takes off ...and I'll be more than happy to share some cuttings! :) Tammy Tammy |
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| Oh, Erasmus, I feel like we're sisters because you also have Mme Abel Chatenay. She's pretty rare, I think. I hope you does as well for you as she does for me. I love her! And Harmonyp, your roses are SO gorgeous. They do have very pleasing shapes. Ken-n, pardon my ignorance, but how do you just let a HT grow? Minor deadheading only? No pruning? Sherry |
Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...
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| Erasmus - they are grafted on Dr. Huey. |
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| Sherry, Carla gave me her large Mme. Abel plant when she moved. She lives in a nearby town. I planted Mme Abel in a 5 gallon pot where she rooted through the pot. Will plant in the ground before spring, but even in the pot it's been a nice plant and good bloomer. Am wondering if you have found plants grafted onto multiflora unsatisfactory, Ken. I agree that some plants do better grafted, but there are some hybrid teas that are vigorous own-root and those are the ones I'm most interested in. Folklore has taken off own-root and Buxom Beauty appears to do well own-root also. I don't know why it is that building up a good root system in a pot works better than letting it do that in the ground. Somewhere I read that the heat in a black plastic pot helps grow roots faster. My friend, Dickie ( budeye here), sometimes sinks a potted plant in the ground. I am guessing he cuts the bottoms of the pots out. Not sure why that is advantageous..I guess you'd get the best of both worlds..some protection from root competition but freedom to expand also. Roses Unlimited certainly offers a lot of ht's own-root and I think they're convinced that most of them can do well that way. Tammy, thanks for the offer of cuttings of St. Elisabeth. I did a patent search on Mon Petit Chou and unfortunately it's patented, though that's not showing up on hmf. I think St. Elis. is unpatented. I hope your plant takes off this spring, but I'm finding that vigor is not always immediately evident. Some of my non-vigorous plants are much better at Dickie's house for example..haha. I think my perennials act like weeds. |
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| All my new roses are left to just grow the first year. Just dead head. Second year I let them grow but start shaping the bush. Third year and on I just keep the bush shaped the way I want it. In my zone I don't hard prune anything. Erasmus-----I can't believe I didn't mention Roses Unlimited. They have roses there that you can't find ANYWHERE else. I know I'll be making a quick trip down there in a few weeks. I need a couple of OGR's, a few Florabunda's and a David Austin or two. I hope I can keep it under 10 bush's (yeah, right). |
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- Posted by zjw727 Oregon Coast 8b (My Page) on
Mon, Feb 25, 13 at 14:51
| I can't heap enough praise on 'Gruss an Coburg"...I absolutely love it! I got it as a band from VIntage Gardens, and it arrived last November with several buds on it...all of which opened. I've kept it in a pot, on my covered patio all winter, and its currently shooting up all kinds of new growth- I really can't wait to see what it does in a few months time! The fragrance is really incredible, with such lovely subtle coloring! I think Vintage still has bands available. GET IT!!! |
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| If you can still find it, Rina Hugo fit that bill here quite well. Not a lot of fragrance, but big, robust, bushy, leafy, healthy with long, strong stems and huge, long lasting flowers. A friend in Santa Clarita bought an Arena bare root and it exploded into a six by six foot mound of healthy canes and foliage, liberally sprinkled with those vibrant buds and flowers. Definitely one I would plant here if I had the room! Kim |
Here is a link that might be useful: Rina Hugo
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