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Tue, Jan 31, 12 at 13:44
| Hi everyone! I was looking for a small to medium growing burgundy rose for here in San Antonio. Of course, my first thought was Burgundy Iceberg, but a very respected local rosarian told me that here in S.A., B.I. is more like "Bright Pink Iceberg"! So, I'm wondering which other rose might turn out to have a burgundy color. I'm open to any type of rose -- HT, shrub, floribunda, David Austin, antique rose, etc. I've looked on line at Ebb Tide, Munstead Wood, Midnight Blue, Wild Blue Yonder, etc. Am just not sure which one will turn out to be at least close to burgundy in real life conditions. Any suggestions? Thanks! |
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| Our zones are different, but we have hot dry summers in this semi arid desert. I have several Ebb Tides, Wild Blue Yonder, the Prince, Young Lycidas, a couple of Big Purples and Ascots, and will be getting Munstead Wood this spring. I do like the purples and dark reds! Here's my take on the ones I have: Ebb Tide fades terribly in the heat and sun, but in the cooler months is a wonderful smoky purple. Wild Blue Yonder is much like Ebb Tide in fading, but it never achieves the deep purple tones during the cool months. It is a very vigorous grandflora, reaching up to seven feet tall here. The Prince is always extremely dark, a blackish red, doesn't fade much, but has some afternoon shade. So far it's not very large. Young Lycidas is a two toned magenta-purple that doesn't fade much, blooms constantly, and takes the heat well, but I've only had it a year, so the jury is still out on its performance. Big Purple is not purple, but bright magenta, doesn't fade, but has lousy rebloom for me. Its blooms do last a long time. Ascot is a German rose by Tantau, and is a dark, burgundy red, which I've only had a year. Love it. It doesn't fade and is vigorous. The jury is still out on it, though. Hope this helps. Diane |
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| I second everything Diane says about Ebb Tide and Wild Blue Yonder (we're neighbors). You may want to have a look at Cardinal Hume - it's color approaches "Burgundy" and it is an excellent rose - not overly large and spreading horizontally more than vertically. In San Antonio it would probably be 3-4' x 5-6'. |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Wed, Feb 1, 12 at 10:31
| I'm into mauve rose to compliment my yellow roses. I have William Shakespeare 2000 for vase, but would like more mauve. Which of the mauve mentioned above is best for the vase? The Prince is too dark for me, and isn't best for cold 5a zone. I prefer a lighter lavender, or more reddish mauve. I intend to order Old Port, a mauve floribunda - more petals and prettier than Fragrant Plum. Does anyone know if Old Port, a floribunda, last long in the vase? Any other FRAGRANT mauve for the vase besides the Prince? Thank you. |
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- Posted by wanttogarden USDA 9b Sunset 15 N. (My Page) on Wed, Feb 1, 12 at 15:48
| Of course, my first thought was Burgundy Iceberg, but a very respected local rosarian told me that here in S.A., B.I. is more like "Bright Pink Iceberg" Why? |
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| I looked through my rose inventory and for some reason I don't have anything that would be considered burgundy in color. Hmmm...I'll have to remedy that, lol! I've seen Burgundy Iceberg be anywhere from deep dark purple to a pale lavender depending on the weather conditions. I'd image that in very hot sunny conditions it's at it's palest and is much dark in cool weather. |
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| Thanks for the feedback everyone. Nanadoll, I appreciate your thorough response sharing your experience with the various roses in this color family. Ptboise, Cardinal Hume was a rose I had been considering, but read somewhere where it might turn into a tree here in S.A. lol I will have to give it a second look, because I saw a planting of it in the Tyler Municipal Rose garden and was really captivated by it. Strawberry Hill, yes, I was looking for a rose to compliment Jude the Obscure. Thought burgundy might provide a nice contrast with the creamy, buff yellow of Jude. Am looking for something that wouldn't overpower Jude, though! wantogarden, I don't know why, but imagine the heat and/or soil conditions here have something to do with that bright pink color. seil, thanks for the input and your feedback on Burgundy Iceberg. And yes, if you don't have a burgundy rose, you definitely need one! lol Thanks again, everyone. |
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| Black Baccara, Don Juan, Black Jade |
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| Hi strawberryhill, You asked which burgundy/purples were best for the vase and had great fragrance. For me, Big purple is a great vase rose, with lovely fragrance, longer stems, and long lasting. I think Young Lycidas has some of those traits, too--good fragrance and lasting well, but I don't think it will ever have very long stems. Ebb Tide smells wonderful, but is short stemmed and doesn't last. The Prince smells very nice, but I've never used it in a vase. Diane |
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| I love Falstaff; unique, deep colour and doesn't fade. I moved mine to a better spot, in the hopes of getting more re-bloom. bart |
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- Posted by Strawberryhill 5a IL (My Page) on Thu, Feb 2, 12 at 10:11
| Thank you, Diane, for your info. - I appreciate that very much. Thank you, KayBelize for suggestions of Black Baccara, Don Juan, and Black Jade - I check these out along with Big Purple. Hi Bart: There's a discussion in the antique rose forum regarding Falstaff and getting it to rebloom more. Someone mentioned success with a 5-gallon mixed with a tiny bit of soluble fertilizer per week. |
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- Posted by flaurabunda 5b Central IL (My Page) on Thu, Feb 2, 12 at 11:08
| I think a beautiful burgundy that picks up the buff highlights of Jude is the new Garden Director Bartje Miller/Eddy Mitchell. However, I consider 'burgundy' to be deep red with just a hint of purple and absolutely no pinky overtones. My Ebb Tide goes totally pinky in the heat of summer. It's a gorgeous, rich violet in spring & fall. |
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- Posted by cupshaped_roses (My Page) on Thu, Feb 2, 12 at 13:48
| Most burgundy roses fade to mauve/purple/lavender - fried black crispies - if they are planted in full sun positions - to maintain this colour most have to be protected from midday/afternoon - full sun exposure. Tradescant is a very fragrant incredibly beautiful Austin rose that can be shaped to size - but Munstead wood will probably stay lower. Propero might also be worth considering in a hot climate - but it is more red/pink in warm climates. A modern rose that is remarkable is Grafin Von Hardenberg - but it might get too big? |
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- Posted by amberroses (My Page) on Thu, Feb 2, 12 at 17:22
| Burgundy Iceberg was indeed a true dark burgundy color in my hot and humid Florida garden. I had it planted in the dreaded western exposure of my house too. Mine was never pink or faded at any time of the year. Maybe it is hotter in Texas? I did get rid of it because it had that annoying blackspot that gets on every single leaf with multiple tiny little spots. |
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| Thanks for all the additional input, all very helpful. Flaurabunda, you described exactly the color I have in mind -- deep red with just a hint of purple and no pinky overtones. Not looking for anything that will turn out to be lavender. Will definitely take a look at that Eddy Mitchell/ New Garden Director Bartje.... The photos on helpmefind look intriguing! Thanks again, everyone! |
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| Oh, and Flaurabunda, thanks for enabling me on two roses -- Garden Director Bartje Miller and Grafin von Hardenberg -- that seem to be available NOWHERE in the US according to HelpMeFind! Sigh..... LOL Isn't that the way things usually go? lol (Lest there be any doubt... yes, I am teasing, not yelling) :-) |
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- Posted by peachiekean (My Page) on Sat, Feb 4, 12 at 17:55
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- Posted by mantis__oh z6 OH (My Page) on Sat, Feb 4, 12 at 18:17
| I would consider Tradescant to be burgundy. Performs well here, even in the heat.
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| Oh, and it was actually cupshaped roses that enabled me on Grafin von Hardenberg, not Flaurabunda. Oops! lol Anyway, thanks to all for the suggestions. Lovely picture of Tradescant. The photos of Francis Dubueil look lovely on HelpmeFind. Looks like it may go bright red in the heat, but still looks pretty! |
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- Posted by flaurabunda 5b Central IL (My Page) on Tue, Feb 7, 12 at 15:06
| Well, drat. I bought my Eddy/Miller last year from Edmunds. Figured they'd offer it for at least more than 1 year, but apparently not. I checked their website & you're correct; I don't see it offered anywhere. Bummer. Maybe next year, or maybe more nurseries will have it next year? We can only hope. |
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