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ptboise 6 (
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Mon, Feb 18, 13 at 13:41
So what roses are you giving the proverbial blindfold and cigarette to this year? I've just scraped two inches of ice off the front walk and took another tour of under-performers. To be SP'd this year for me:
Royal Amethyst - I think this rose would do well elsewhere. Three years and three stick wonder here.
Ballerina - I've got two on the North side of the house where they are gorgeous and happy. The one in dawn-till-dusk desert sun gasps all summer.
Passionate Kisses - actually a very good rose, but it just doesn't do it for me. No real reason - it simply lacks personal appeal.
Ebb Tide - to be replaced with Twilight Zone. Hopefully TZ won't have the crispy critter syndrome in the summer that ET does.
Do other folks have their sights on a some in their garden? |
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Centenaire de Lourdes; bloom has been sparse and plant is runty. I'll take Carefree Beauty now that's a performer.
Ebb Tide: I didn't get a good plant, going nowhere. I really love the color, form and fragrance of the blooms. But as a good garden plant, I'll take Sweet Chariot over this one. |
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| Two of mine will be out of here--Cherry Parfait and Double Delight--but partly because I have two other roses I strongly want to try (Pomponella and Bolero). I have two Double Delights so am giving my neighbor one of them. That way I can hopefully have some visitation rights. If I only had one DD, I'd never give that one away, however. I do have one of three Elinas that for some strange reason is looking weaker and more pathetic each day. I'm afraid I'll have to dig it out by spring--but in that case, I'll just replace it with another Elina since I don't want to ruin the color pattern over there. Besides, Elina is a first-rate rose. I got rid of all the real losers a couple years ago, so now spade only if I find a rose that is even better than what I have and that I can't live without. You know how that goes-- : ) Kate |
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| I only have 1 I'm watching. The miniflora Focal Point. It will be in it's 3rd summer and it better impress me this spring or it will be replaced with Shawn Sease. All in all, I'm pretty happy with the garden. |
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| I'm getting rid of these roses: Good Life - beautiful flowers - but no fragrance Chrysler Imperial - underperforms (Mr. Lincoln and Oklahoma are gangbusters here) and has no scent. Paradise - underperformer (about 5 blooms/year) and no scent Carol |
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| Claire Austin - the blooms just doesn't wow me. It's a shame that this year, the leaves are populated by mites which makes the bush uglier. I have ordered the older version, called Claire Rose and I hope she's a much better looking rose than Claire Austin. Evelyn - badly infected by rose mosaic virus. Looks horrible in the summer. I ordered another one because Evelyn is such a lovely rose when it is healthy. Am I being a dreamer here? If one Evelyn is infected with RMV - that would mean, all of them are. |
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| Madame Sancy de Parabere Blooms are blowsy and flat. Shrub is awkward. The blackspot is epic. |
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- Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
Tue, Feb 19, 13 at 10:57
| Got rid of 'Louise Clements', 'Purple Tiger' so far. Loved the roses, just not healthy specimens to begin with. 'Tea Clipper' gone a few months now, mostly always blind shoots that when cut back produced more--blind shoots. I wonder if it was budded from blind shoot buds and that is what made it as it was. Waste of water. The few flowers it did produce were gorgeous. I gave it years and years and good care. I tried. Probably will get rid of 'Cressida' as well, loved the flowers, just an ugly plant, no new basals in years, and time to try something new in that spot. The longer I grow roses the easier it is to get rid of them. You know better what good performance is, and you come to expect it. |
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| I'm considering sp'ing Caroline Marniesse. She does not like the dry heat that is typical here in the summer. Handles it much worse than average. She actually wilts in the heat and demands a lot of water eventhough she in partial shade in some of the hottest part of the day. Makes no difference, yet her next door neighbor Europas Rosengarten shows no heat distress at all (and both were planted at about the same time). Caroline Marniesse is only my second noissette, and the other one hated conditions here even more and died within a year. That was Camellia Rose (purchased, I think, in a 3 gallon+ or so container). Apparently this is another class that likes hot AND moist conditions, which are rarities in this locale together. Jumbojimmy, where did you buy your Evelyn that has Rose Mosaic Virus? I think you mentioned in another thread that you have/had another Austin with RMV. I don't think it is a given that because one clone of a rose in commerce has RMV that all of them do. It would depend on how and when that variety contracted RMV. Was it early on in its release, or came that way from the breeder? Or did a particular nursery start using a rootstock infected with RMV to graft their clones of that variety onto and thus roses acquired from that source after that time were infected. Could be that someone has treated the rose for RMV and may have it available RMV free, or a nursery acquired their mother plants before the variety became infected at some central source that many of that rose went through. Melissa |
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| Canadian Rose- I'd get rid of an unscented CI too! I had a "tamora" I bought with a lovely David Austin tag in a 5 gallon pot-- and it is NOT the right rose. I have a real Tamora so I know the rose. this new one has hardly any scent, the color and shape are wrong too. It blooms tons though and has almost no thorns so I have kept it. Chrysler imperial should be very fragrant. I actually bought mine because I was walking through Home Depots' parking lot and its scent was WAFTING. I turned around and found what rose was perfuming the lot and bought 2. You deserve a really smelly CI. Don't give up on it- find one in bloom. (mine bloom lots- but I plant a few right next to each other to get a great show- so it looks like one big lush plant). |
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A massive Rennaissance rose, Phillippa, is going - which is a shame as it has great upright vigour and many basals every year, at handily different lengths soit blooms voluptuously all over the plant. Fantastic florists type blooms which maintain a bud shape for 2 weeks in a vase, with long, long stalks and is a soft creamy blush - yeah, a gorgeous rose but awful, just dreadful BS. Probably the worst on the plot as well as being planted along the main axis in a very visible position. I have pissed and moaned about this for years but weaken when I get to pruning - it is such a gallant rose as well as being one of my oldest (survived brutal experiments during its early years when I knew nothing,) For about three weeks, it is fabulous - I could sell bouquets (I have no other rose that I could say that about) but then, first week in July and all the rest of summer, it is a miserable naked skeleton - any later blooms are utterly feeble (and I usually remove them as an act of kindness). I am not a habitual rose abandoner (because I am cheap) and this is a gigantic shrub - if it was a bit more discreet, I would definately keep it.
Soooooo, I am saying now that I plan to dig it up....I even have a photo to remind me of its horribleness
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Melissa,
I, too, have an Evelyn that has rose mosaic virus. This rose came from David Austin 8 years ago, along with four other Evelyns that are virus free. The virused rose is starting its ninth year and has a mild case. Most years the mottled leaves don't show up. It's the most vigorous of all my Evelyn roses and does very well--so I just ignore the whole thing and don't worry about it. Diane |
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| These were gone by Feb. Olympiad-seemed to decline in blooms. Wild Blue Yonder. Easy Going-healthy but boring. Lunar Mist-didn't repeat in summer or fall. White Licorice-rabid Blackspot which is not common here. Honey Dijon. Two Papa Meillands-came unhealthy, replaced with two more on Fortuniana. Elizabeth Taylor-received by mistake, too loud. Drop Dead Red and In the Mood-there are so many better reds. Two 4th of July climbers-not enough sun, kept one. Most of these were impulse local buys that I never warmed up to. I want to try my hand at a few teas and I'm gradually switching to Meillands, Delbards and Kordes roses for the moderns. Many do well in this climate. I only have so many sunny spots. The year before I SP'd about 10. I've started visiting other local rose gardens and doing more research. One of my friends grows 2000 so it's not hard to see them in action. Hopefully this year's choices will be better. |
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| I hope I don't get sent to rose purgatory for this, but it is something of a relief to see others participate in the spring "clean-up". I sometimes wonder if I'm too doggone draconian with these plants. But, life is short and we all have some level of expectation. The fact that Campanula is taking a sharpshooter to a rose (I'm shocked - SHOCKED) helps buttress my soon-to-be Spring activities. And, let it be known, I shall waft my shovel in the general direction of a few others (are you listening Wild Blue Yonder?) as an incentive to get on the ball. |
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| Sometimes I feel a little guilty. Sometimes I have the incentive of a few bands carrying over from the year before that need to go in the ground. A couple of years ago I noticed that about a third of my roses weren't even good enough to go in a simple bouquet for the house-either not so great colors, stingy blooms, or fell apart in a day. Since I can't have acres of roses, that seemed like a reason to replace some of them. Some were just atrociously shaped plants in stand alone places. So far it's not keeping me awake at night. I have to take 10 boulders out every time I dig a hole. We work hard growing these things, we deserve to have the good ones, right? Mary |
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| Hmmm.... My Chrysler is a bloomer deluxe and has awesome fragrance. Ballerina does best with some filtered shade, especially in the afternoon. Mine is growing like gangbusters and covered in blooms from spring thru summer with only a short interruption. In fall, she puts on gobs of tiny red hips that are beautiful in arrangements for the Holiday table and wreaths. Photo is of Centenaire de Lourdes.
Not a heavy bloomer, but worthy in my garden. Quality over quantity for me.
It seems to prefer part sun with dappled afternoon shade, warm days and cool nights with plenty of moisture, like fog and misty rainfall. Hence, in Oklahoma, that means May thru June and again in the fall. No BS of any other diseases on mine and don't spray.
Super fragrance too. Yum! |
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| Sleeping with the Shovels: Julia Child, Scentimental (whose blooms were lovely, both of them), Liv Tyler (ditto), Papa Meilland (who didn't even do that well), and Double Delight (which got shorter and runtier every year). I gather this is not unusual for DD--one of my favorite associates at the nursery I frequent nicknamed it "Double Disappointment." I replaced Scentimental with Rock 'n Roll, which in theory should do better in our summer heat. For Julia, I believe I just got a bad specimen. I've replaced it with another, hopefully more vigorous one. Belinda's Dream sits where Liv Tyler used to be. I don't think sparse bloom is gonna be a problem. Kay |
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| Sleeping with the shovels-very funny. Oh oh, looks like Papa Meilland may not work out. I had a feeling about that one. I may be having another funeral of the sticks. It is one of the fussy ones and we have heat too. Mary |
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Opinions on Queen Elizabeth please.
$5 purchase last summer.
Is it really not fragrant or is it slightly? I am debating her stay here. Feedback? |
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| mauvegirl8...The Queen is not fragrant to my nose. I do love the blooms,tho, so she stays in my garden. Good luck with your decision. lesley |
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- Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 20, 13 at 16:52
| I really need to get better at this and get rid of some real dogs to open up some space for new ones. But I'm weak and have a hard time killing any plant that has the strength to make it through my winters. Really need to go:
Snowfire
Black Cherry
Frankly Scarlet
Intrigue
American Pride
Fragrant Cloud
Electron And probably a few others that I've forgotten about. That's why some of them seem to keep hanging around. I forget over the winter what a disappointment they were! |
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| Seil, what saves me from a bad case of the guilties is a local plant bank, located in one of the neighborhood community centers. I don't have to kill off the rose, I can just offer it up for adoption by someone else. Who knows? They might have better luck or a more advantageous spot than I do. And it's not just roses--I can take divided iris rhizomes, that large shrub that looked great in the big box store but just doesn't seem to belong anywhere, even the last 6 pack of pansies that I can't fit in. Kay |
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Jumbojimmy, I would bet that any other source in Australia will also supply you with a RMV infected copy of Evelyn.
The rose growers here just don't care about it. |
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| Double Delight and Sentimental: My DD did well at first but then started to wane. SO,,,I moved her to a new location, and VA-VOOM! She took off and is doing great. Sentimental - mine did great and was not only beautiful, but the fragrance was heavenly. Filled the air with a heavy fragrance. I was thrilled with her. When she bloomed the second go round, I decided the next morning I would take pics of her. So the next morning I went out with my trusty camera and it was all wilted.- blooms, leaves and all! I took hold of the plant and it came right out of the ground. A vole completely gnawed off her roots! I guess she was just too danged delicious smelling ...and tasting. I want to try Sentimental again, but this time I will plant the new one inside a large bottomless container. It works! The voles run into the black plastic and go around it. Makes feeding them easier too. I just don't have the heart to cull my roses.
I never, ever, ever give up!
Usually, there is a way. if I can just be patient enough to discover it. |
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- Posted by rross NSW Aust (My Page) on
Thu, Feb 21, 13 at 0:03
Just got an irresistible offer of free shipping with any order from a rose nursery so to create a bit of space, I'm giving away Hilde (it's supposed to be strongly scented but isn't) and Onkaparinga (a locally-bred offspring of Troilus and Cymbelline - after a brief and modest flush of unimpressive flowers in Spring, it just puts out long and unproductive canes). I've ordered Souvenir de la Malmaison and Red Cross, known as all the following on help-me-find: • Graaf Lennart
• Love's Promise™
• Marcel Pagnol ®
• Matilda ™
• MEIsoyris
• Velveteen. With any luck, I'll get a bit more colour and scent into the garden with these ones. |
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- Posted by TNY78 7a-East TN (My Page) on
Thu, Feb 21, 13 at 0:32
| Hanging out on the chopping block for me: Bella Roma
Mordon Blush
April in Paris
Blue Girl
Nacogdoches Rose None because of scent or ugliness...all because of lack of vigor and disease issues. It's really hard for me to actually pull the plug on them though...it has to be a moment of pure courage, to get me to actually give them the axe! Tammy |
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| I'm feeling confused here... Did I pushed the sent button or Did my reply just got delete for some reason I don't know? |
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| Just this fall I finally sp'd a few - Medallion, Europeana, Tantalizing Red and Grand Masterpiece. It took me 3 years to get to the point I could SP a rose, but I finally did it last year, and the removal of these guys really gave me a sense of relief. I want to meander thru the garden and smile at each of my stars, not walk by and cringe. My underperformers that are being watched and either will or won't make it are: Barbara Streisand, Lunar Mist, Blue Girl, Charisma, Proud Land, Voo Doo, and Arizona. Scentimental isn't yet on that list, but in her 2nd year she did only give me a few blooms that blew really fast - I'm just not ready to give up on her yet. And I think I need to give Barbara a few years too - she's young, and does have a great fragrance. |
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| Hope you have better luck with Babs than I did, Harmonyp. Yes the fragrance was lovely, but she really disliked our dry heat and became a one cane wonder. She just didn't want to be here. Kay |
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| Harmonyp, I'm in your zone. What happened with Europeana, mildew? Hmm. I'm trying to hang onto mine although I planted it in between two larger roses which makes it look runty. I like those rosette form blooms. I had bad luck with Lunar Mist also. I gave it three years and it just would not repeat after the Spring flush. Also the blossoms were so thin that they blew really fast. I kept thinking it was misnamed but the blossoms were identical to the pictures. mary |
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- Posted by maryl Z7 Okla. (My Page) on
Thu, Feb 21, 13 at 15:36
| Adobe Sunrise is gone. Great in your face orange color that holds but needs afternoon shade in my hot summers (even the leaves burn). Probably another one of those roses for a cool climate......Maryl |
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| Glamis Castle and Tradescant. I am also giving away some white landscape roses that I have forgotten the name of, since the spot they are in has grown too shady. Good news is I am adding Lady Emma Hamilton and Jude the Obscure! |
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| "Double Disappointment", that's funny, Kay! No doubt it got a double dose of that proclivity from both parents, Granada X Garden Party. Wini Edmunds wrote in an old Edmund's Roses catalog many years ago that her husband had called Garden Party, "Garden Pity" at a rose show and a reporter picked it up for the story he was writing. Seems it cost them some cancelled orders that year. Funny stuff! Kim |
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| I wonder about all the nicknames rose sellers and others involved in the business have for some of these roses. I bet it would be a pretty funny list. Garden Party was a rose auction plant for me. I know why it was given away. Not a good rose here. I do have an older HT Sainte Exupery that gets a 4.3 ARS rating and It does really well. It may be a dud elsewhere but it's really pretty here. I bought it from Vintage because I admired its namesake. Mary |
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Well, I am all done with planting and shovel prouning.
I did not buy any roses this year just tried to plant almost every rose I grew in pots. I SPed: The McCarthney Rose, Hot Coco, Pink Pet and two potato plants, moved 3 roses and planted 7 Austins. Still looking for room for Marie Pavie and Perle d'Or. Cannot wait for my second year old babies to bloom this year: Gruss An Aachen, William Sh. 2k, Blinda's Dream, Lady Emma H., Prospero, Tamora, Carding Mill, Princess Alexandra of Kent, Munstead Wood, Elle, Yves Piage, Pickering's Four Season Rose. FJ |
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| Mary, my Europeana had white canes (SO thick with PM) it's first few years. When I finally sprayed enough cornell formula on it to mostly clear up the PM, I decided I really disliked the rose. The clusters of tiny, red, unscented blooms were so heavy, the canes bent to the ground, and the general "look" of the bush was one that was about 1 1/2' high, and about 5' in diameter. I spent 3 years cringing, and I finally yanked it. Interesting with the Lunar Mist. Mine has been in the ground 2 years, but it was half eaten by gophers, so it's still trying to recover. I've seen about 3 blooms, and they haven't been impressive. I'll give it this year and that's it. I wasn't thinking about Garden Pity. Only 1 year old, but pathetic so far. It also gets another year, but I'm taking these posts into consideration. Oh Tammy, I LOVE my Bella Roma!!! |
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