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| I was late ordering...could not quite decide what to do for some empty spots...local garden center where I used to get most of my roses closed down...local alternatives were expensive and not much selection.
What Edmunds sent was pretty good, considering that I ordered late. Odd that half of the roses were inside a bag with damp peat moss, and the other half were outside the bag and slightly dry, but all in all, pretty good. Four more 'Easy Does It'. The one I got as a test last year bloomed its little heart out, so I decided to try a hedge.
All those white sprouts got removed of course. We expect several days of cool, overcast weather, perfect for them to settle in. I got a couple of 'Comtesse de Provence' ('Liv Tyler') and I don't know why I did it, but also a 'Tangerine Streams'. Yikes! What a dreadful name! The catalog said it was a heat lover, though, and I have a spot for a heat lover in the orange range, so I decided to overlook the name, and curious about the hybridizer--Italian? That would be the right climate for here. We shall see. |
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| Hoovb, When I saw 'Tangerine Streams' in the current Edmunds' catalog I made the assumption that it was hybridized by John Bagnosco. He's a Californian who's introduced several roses, and is quite active in various rose organizations in your state. The photo of 'Tangerine Streams' is pretty impressive. I was tempted to add it to my Edmunds' order, but decided to wait until feedback on it begins to trickle in. I'm trying to cure myself of the habit of impulsively grabbing new every new introduction that catches my eye. |
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| Liv Tyler is a rose I've wanted for a long time. Looks really beautiful. Hope everything grows well for you. |
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- Posted by organicgardendreams z 10 (My Page) on Thu, Feb 24, 11 at 17:18
| Your Edmund's 'Easy Does It' roses are looking pretty good! I can imagine they will be stunning planted in a hedge! I always thought that Comtesse de Provence/Liv Tyler is a beautiful rose, but somehow I lost track of her. Your post just made me put her back on my wish list, again. It is great that you have the space to get a couple of roses of one variety. I always feel, they have so much more impact when planted together in a group or in a hedge or being used repeatedly in a garden. Good luck with your babies! Christina |
Here is a link that might be useful: Organic Garden Dreams
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| Thanks for the info on Bagnosco, Jax. I hope it does well here. It is the fragrance of Comtesse/Liv that is the Wow factor. Amazing powerful fruity fragrance. |
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| When I opened this post I thought ah oh, there's going to bad news, but as it turns out those look like really nice bare roots. I bought Easy Does It from a local nursery last year and they complained about the quality of the roses they had gotten in from their supplier. So poor, they said, were the bare roots they received (which they then potted on) that they were going to order from another source this year. The source they had used was Greenheart (the old Nor' East I think). Looking at mine (dormant btw) it certainly doesn't have the branch structure of those in your picture. Yet it bloomed non-stop from the time I got it until winter set in. A good rose and now, because of your pictures, if I ever need to replace it I can use Edmunds. After this bad winter, this has been a helpful post to me. Thanks Hoovb...Maryl |
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- Posted by kstrong 10 So Cal (kathystrong@gmail.com) on Fri, Feb 25, 11 at 11:17
| HoovB, you will probably like Tangerine Streams. I think the name was meant to go with "Marmalade Skies" only Dreams was not available. Bagnasco lives and breeds roses in Fallbrook, CA, so it will likely do well in your climate also HoovB. Up to this rose, Bagnasco has mostly worked with polyanthas, but he says this one was such a standout that he had to have it tested and introduced. And he has said that he thinks the pic Edmunds used was not particularly good for this rose. I just got this one too, and I'm waiting to see what it does here on the coast. Kathy |
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| Those are great roses, hoovb. Comtesse de Provence is very very fragrant, but not at all healthy here:-(. I still keep her in the cutting garden out of sight because I love the blooms so much. I hope yours is healthier than mine... |
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| Maryl, if the source of the offensively small roses was Greenheart, you're probably comparing own root with budded. The ones pictured all appear to be budded plants. I am not aware of Greenheart budding anything. They grow liners own root. Though they're the same variety, own root to budded is like comparing apples to oranges until the own root matures sufficiently. Kim |
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| Thanks Maryl. Remember Spring is on the way! Thanks for the comments, now I'm curious as to how 'Tangerine Streams' will develop. Fallbrook is colder than here in winter and much hotter in summer, but mine is placed in one of the hottest spots in the garden, so we shall see...I did wonder why not 'Tangerine Dreams'--thanks for the explanation! Not healthy how Masha? Lots of Rust? :( I went out to strip 'Abraham Darby' today, he looks like a giant Cheeto again. Sigh. |
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| I'm glad to see their plants look good. I can't wait to get mine! I also ordered TANGERINE STREAMS. I thought the name was kind of weird, but the bloom looks nice. I wasn't going to order from them this yr, but then they offered up that killer DARK NIGHT/EDDY MITCHELL rose which I've been dying to get ever since I saw it on Meilland's website a couple yrs ago. And of course, had to make it worth shipping... can't just order ONE rose!!! So, since I had most of them already, figured I'd try that TS, and also added another "TS", TEQUILA SUPREME. Did any of you guys order the LOUISE HAY rose? I got it from Mission Hills nursery in southern CA a few yrs ago. They were the exclusive supplier when it first came out. It's a very lovely large apricot. Here's a pic of LOUISE HAY: |
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| Hoovb, you had the experience with Easy Does It that I had been hoping for last year when I planted three of them. Mine underperformed. Don't know why -- no apparent disease, but they are still on the spindly side, and were not particularly bloomy after the first marvelous flush. The specimens you got from Edmunds look extremely healthy (that's certainly been a rap about them often enough), and our torrential downpour should help them settle in. I zipped out into the garden yesterday and went through an entire bag of Mills Mix at warp speed, giving everyone a hit of alfalfa wonderfulness. Just as I got to the bottom of the bag and the last rose, the heavens opened. Hopefully the Easy Does Its will be appreciative. Kay PS: My knees look just like yours! |
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| Kay EDI is a Harkness cultivar, meaning the UK, meaning it probably doesn't like heat all that much. Perhaps as yours establishes in it will be as bloomy as mine was. Mine was in a cool spot--maybe that was what it liked. I envy--you were able to get your MM applied before the wonderful precious rain--I was too late. Beth, I was looking and looking at 'Dark Night' but decided to wait on performance reports from others. Do let us know how it does. |
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| We certainly have heat in Oklahoma (along with humidity)- 100+ degree temperatures not uncommon. Easy Does It, placed in a western location with NO shade at all bloomed non-stop last year (it's first year) during the summer. Its blooms retained a deeper "Mango" color when cooler weather arrived, but that's hardly surprising. I have another Harkness rose, Lady Mitchell, that also does well in my climate (enough so to order another one from Heirloom this year).I don't automatically lump Harkness roses into the non-heat lover catagory....Hoovb I meant to ask, why do you remove the white growth on the canes? I've not dealt with that much in the past. Once planted and exposed to the light won't they develop into good canes?....Maryl |
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- Posted by newbud_2010 7b (My Page) on Sun, Feb 27, 11 at 18:43
| I have to second Maryl's question about the white growth. I bought some bagged roses that had broken dormancy and I understand about the energy in the roots going toward producing that growth (and leaves) before you have a chance to plant being a bad thing, but I'm not sure why. Does this deplete the roots to such an extent that there is no hope? If the root structure is large and healthy, isn't there a chance the plant can still thrive and why wouldn't leaving the leaves aid its growth? Every post I've read about buying bagged roses says to not EVER buy any that have broken dormancy, but I'm one of those who needs a scientific explanation. Thanks! |
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- Posted by kstrong 10 So Cal (kathystrong@gmail.com) on Sun, Feb 27, 11 at 19:10
| The "scientific" reason for why you should not buy a bagged rose that has already leafed out is that that is an indication of how long it's been sitting on the shelf, and that the feeder roots are probably also growing inside the bag. But there are no nutrients in the bag -- they use wood shavings most often -- so the leaves are using up whatever energy and sugar the canes were able to store. Likewise, when transplanted, you will likely knock off any feeder roots or at least disturb the growing root tips. The only roots that take in nutrition on the plant are the miniscule white ones, called feeder roots. The branch-size brown roots are just there to sprout the feeder roots, and perhaps also to anchor the plant in its growing spot. In any event, there's a limit to how much nutrition can be stored in a rose cane, and it's better to have the cane start to grow at the same time as the feeder roots can start to get some nutrition. It's much, much better to get a plant that has not started to grow yet when you get a bagged rose, because then you can transplant it to something that has nutrients for feeder roots in it, and the stored cane energy can be used for real growth progress, not just trying to grow where growth is actually quite impossible (in the bag). Put differently, the top growth that you see in bagged roses that have been on the shelf too long is just an indication of that growth sapping what stored energy that plant had when it was bagged. Most of the time the top growth will start to wilt when the bagged rose is actually replanted, and I just lop it off at that point and hope that the canes have enough umpfff to get the plant going again. Or you can put the newly planted rose in the shade or a mister for awhile, and that helps too. As for those tiny white shoots, I usually leave them on and let them die off themselves, which they generally do. Kathy |
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- Posted by kstrong 10 So Cal (kathystrong@gmail.com) on Sun, Feb 27, 11 at 19:17
| Also, I don't "pull" anything off of a new rose, because you never know how much you will get with whatever you are pulling off. I want the dormant bud eye that is generally right next to the white shoots shown in HoovB's first picture to stay and grow. So, although it's fine to take them off to avoid watching them die, be careful not to get too much, or use a blade to do it. |
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- Posted by newbud_2010 7b (My Page) on Sun, Feb 27, 11 at 21:29
| Wow! Thanks so much, Kathy! Finally the whole process comes together. |
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- Posted by mauvegirl8 none (My Page) on Fri, Feb 8, 13 at 13:00
| I know this is an old thread. I just received email that my 1st order with Edmunds It's been nearly 2 months waiting (weather up there). I am in warm Texas, so I was patient...I am expecting Souvenir de Baden-Baden. I intend to plant next to Queen Elizabeth, front yard flower bed. Does this rose get equally as tall and lanky? |
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- Posted by kstrong 10 So Cal (kathystrong@gmail.com) on Fri, Feb 8, 13 at 13:20
| No -- QE will get to 7 feet here, and Souvenir de Baden-Baden (which has been re-released this year by Certified Roses under the name "Pink Enchantment") is kind of short and bushy -- around 3-4 feet. |
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HoovB, I'm so glad to hear you like your Easy Does it! That was my only new rose this year and I'm anxious to see how it does! Can you post some pics? I have Comtesse de Provence too.....hate that they changed such a nice name to Liv Tyler! Its blooms are beautiful but in our wet spring they ball a little and are much prettier later in the year. But funny....I don't like the scent and thats what everyone raves about! I keep trying to like it but each time I still think 'Yuck!"  |
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| mauvegirl, I planted Souv. de Baden Baden last spring in a part of CA that receives far more heat than coastal Orange County where kstrong is located. My specimen threw up canes in the 5-6 foot range in its first year. If you are in a warm part of TX, your specimen may grow taller than 3-4 feet. John |
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| The Wow factor for me for Comtesse de Provence is the size of the plant, the rebloom, the huge beautiful blooms, and the fragrance. Mine is a body bag rose. Glad to see Edmunds plants look pretty good. |
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- Posted by mauvegirl8 none (My Page) on Fri, Feb 8, 13 at 17:20
| John_CA, just as I thought, she is a sun lover. It gets plenty hot here. I want Baden to complement the height of Queen Elizabeth. Not necessarily the same height. My next "WANT" is "Easy Does It". I may order from Chamblee's since winter is mild in Texas. I will have a better chance of receiving a rose with leaves and buds. |
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| Well this is an old thread. I can update on the plants. The 'Easy Does It's are one of those roses that would rather bloom than grow big. Bloom, bloom, bloom. I love them. Both 'Comtesse de Provence' have been dreadful. Spindly growth and lots of Rust with an occasional gorgeous flower. Sigh. They are in excellent soil with the right amount of sun, so no excuse there. 'Tangerine Streams' has been a small plant, but the flowers are nice. So two out of three is good. 'Easy Does It': 'Tangerine Streams' |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Sat, Feb 9, 13 at 11:44
| That hedge looks fine. I haven't had rust lately with my Abe, but in late summer I trim him back and remove the leaves before they get too old. Then there's enough time until the late Jan/ Early Feb. spring prune for Abe to grow new leaves and put on a few flushes. I stumbled on this by accident when I had to cut back my Freddie M. when we were having the roof done and the guys needed to put the ladder up next to him. Late in the year I thought why isn't Freddie doing the usual rust routine? The leaves weren't that old and didn't rust I guess. With no big rust buildup around the area the pressure to rust gets less I hope. Freddie's a great rose and so is Abe. It's fun to have these guys finally rust free. |
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